Brandbucket Challenges Dnbolt For Reporting Sales Data

[Dnbolt]

Hi guys today I made a final decision to join namepros. I don’t normally participate in forums discussions etc. I have BIG concern that I want to share with you and get your opinions.

Little bit about myself: l am a student, I recently developed interest in data, I am a part time domain investor, I spend most of my time creating unbeatable algorithms and finally as you may know I publish BB sales at dnbolt

About a year I started developing interests in brandabale domain. I needed to get some insight about sold domains from brandbucket but quickly learnt brandbucket doesn’t publish them. But fortunately enough we all know that in the domain name world most data is obtainable, right?

To keep things short, I have been getting emails from brandbucket asking me if I can prevent making the data crawlable by search engine technically asking me to make the content available to just myself.
Months later I got a forwarded email asking if I can obfuscate the sold domains I have listed to prevent google indexing the content. But to be honest if google index my content on search how is that my problem?
Surprisingly they have even gone the extent of contacting my hosting provider. I was a little bit upset that they contacted my hosting as I was only being helpful providing data to those who needed it and instead of getting a pat on the back for my hard work, I got accused and an invisible spanking.


My question to you is.

1. How can a marketplace try to claim ownership or exclusive rights to a domain that has been SOLD and no longer listed on the site for sale?
2. How can a SOLD DOMAIN still belong to the previous marketplace in any way, shape or or form?
3. Why can’t they be happy that I am helping them to publish sales data for free?
4. Does BB have any right to challenge Dnbolt for the kind service he renders?
5. Do I have to listen to BB and stop proving sales data to the public?


I would like to hear your thoughts thanks.

 

[DomainVP]

The sold price is not public so your data aggregation is misleading/inaccurate.

Where exactly is DNbolt getting the sale price from if not from the scraping of the 'for sale' price listed on the domain page?

 

[GoKaizen]

Never knew about this site until now. @Dnbolt is hella useful!

 

[kaposzta]

I think your site is great, and I've just started exploring it!
But please try to make an arrangement with BB, it would be beneficial for all parties.

 

[Dnbolt]

I think your site is great, and I've just started exploring it!
But please try to make an arrangement with BB, it would be beneficial for all parties.

Yes I understand, I will be working towards and would be happy to accept suitable arrangements.

 

[DomainVP]

From DNbolt website:

"I am a self-trained Data Analyst and I have been analyzing brandbucket sold domains for a while and discovered that a great percent of the recently registered sold domains were registered by M.K and when I did a further research I discovered that this name was recently dropped. I also discovered that those particular domains have a particular keyword matching the previous sold domains list. Then I made an assumption that he must be flittering pending delete domains that contains keywords letters from past brandbucket sales data. I wouldnt say much now the wise must have understood the point I am trying to make."

Others have published lists of BB sales data, and that data has also been analyzed to find domains that are being picked up by their brand ambassador.

I think it's also proper to remind everyone that BB gives premium placement to their brand ambassador who accounts for the 'great percent' of the sold domains.

So you can use the same criteria as they do to pick names, and your name will never sell.

On other threads some people are claiming the 'normal' sales rate to be 5%, so for you to have almost any success you will need to list hundreds of domains at $10 per name. Then you pay their success sale and logo fees on top of that.

Sales data is great, but when you pick these 'similar' names just remember that BB has a distribution channel and preferred position within it.

You may have picked a great name, but the deck is stacked against you when listing with BB.

 

[pmax]

I suspect that you are right on many points

From DNbolt website:

"I am a self-trained Data Analyst and I have been analyzing brandbucket sold domains for a while and discovered that a great percent of the recently registered sold domains were registered by M.K and when I did a further research I discovered that this name was recently dropped. I also discovered that those particular domains have a particular keyword matching the previous sold domains list. Then I made an assumption that he must be flittering pending delete domains that contains keywords letters from past brandbucket sales data. I wouldnt say much now the wise must have understood the point I am trying to make."

Others have published lists of BB sales data, and that data has also been analyzed to find domains that are being picked up by their brand ambassador.

I think it's also proper to remind everyone that BB gives premium placement to their brand ambassador who accounts for the 'great percent' of the sold domains.

So you can use the same criteria as they do to pick names, and your name will never sell.

On other threads some people are claiming the 'normal' sales rate to be 5%, so for you to have almost any success you will need to list hundreds of domains at $10 per name. Then you pay their success sale and logo fees on top of that.

Sales data is great, but when you pick these 'similar' names just remember that BB has a distribution channel and preferred position within it.

You may have picked a great name, but the deck is stacked against you when listing with BB.

 

[Dnbolt]

From DNbolt website:

"I am a self-trained Data Analyst and I have been analyzing brandbucket sold domains for a while and discovered that a great percent of the recently registered sold domains were registered by M.K and when I did a further research I discovered that this name was recently dropped. I also discovered that those particular domains have a particular keyword matching the previous sold domains list. Then I made an assumption that he must be flittering pending delete domains that contains keywords letters from past brandbucket sales data. I wouldnt say much now the wise must have understood the point I am trying to make."

Others have published lists of BB sales data, and that data has also been analyzed to find domains that are being picked up by their brand ambassador.

I think it's also proper to remind everyone that BB gives premium placement to their brand ambassador who accounts for the 'great percent' of the sold domains.

So you can use the same criteria as they do to pick names, and your name will never sell.

On other threads some people are claiming the 'normal' sales rate to be 5%, so for you to have almost any success you will need to list hundreds of domains at $10 per name. Then you pay their success sale and logo fees on top of that.

Sales data is great, but when you pick these 'similar' names just remember that BB has a distribution channel and preferred position within it.

You may have picked a great name, but the deck is stacked against you when listing with BB.

With great data insight anybody can sell a brandable domain name using right selling approaches. Most sales that are generated on brandbucket are from redirected traffic meaning that the names listed on brandbucket redirects to brandbucket itself. If you have a great name it will still sale regardless if it listed on brandbucket on not. If you study brandbucket traffic sources you will understand my gist.

 

[ctmixing]

the download list isnt working

 

[jamesau]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but in order to get this data I'm assuming you would need to scrape their website. Scraping is a grey area, but fundamentally any content on their website is copyrighted, so legally speaking I would imagine you don't have the freedom to republish the data without their approval. I'm not an expert by any means, but that's my understanding.

 

[Dnbolt]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but in order to get this data I'm assuming you would need to scrape their website. Scraping is a grey area, but fundamentally any content on their website is copyrighted, so legally speaking I would imagine you don't have the freedom to republish the data without their approval. I'm not an expert by any means, but that's my understanding.

Scraping is not necessarily required.

 

[domainsoup]

I say keep doing what you are doing.

Interesting that Brandbucket is privately asking you to shut your mouth while publicly denying it.

Seems typical of them given how they send notifications non-stop about external listings.

 

[bytedo]

BB are not denying they asked OP to not have the data indexed they said they didnt inform his hosting company about the issue and someone has already admitted doing that and given his reasons.

 

[Templr]

I think showcasing the data for domain insiders is one thing and a helpful service, but why allow it to be indexed?

Isn't it automatically indexed?

 

[Templr]

i've only just started sending names over to brand bucket last week, today receiving my first two responses from them. 1 was approved, the other denied. interestingly enough, the denied domain has the double O.

They're missing a beat!

 

[jberryhill]

"If someone can show that that data is proprietary then..."

Data per se is not subject to copyright. Copyright applies to works of authorship - of the manner in which information is expressed, not in the underlying information itself.

The NBA tried to do this with, for example, live reporting of basketball scores. They claimed that the minute-by-minute scores during basketball games were their "copyrighted information". Motorola ran an information service on their pager network which reported those scores:

NBA v. Motorola
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/linking/doctrine/nba.html

That's a somewhat old case which relied on the "hot news" doctrine of copyright law, which these days has been pretty much narrowed into extinction, as discussed in:

Barclays Capital, Inc. et al. v. Theflyonthewall.com, Inc. https://www.skadden.com/insights/second-circuit-redefines-elements-hot-news-misappropriation-claims

The plaintiffs, Barclays Capital Inc.; Merrill Lynch, Pierce Fenner & Smith Incorporated; and Morgan Stanley and Co. Incorporated, provide securities brokerage services and recommendations as a service to their clients and potential clients. The recommendations and underlying reports collectively are circulated to clients and prospective clients every morning before the U.S. securities markets open. The plaintiffs use these reports to market their brokering services under the view that customers who place a trade based on the recommendation are likely to do so with the recommending firm’s brokerage services.


The defendant, Fly, is a financial news aggregator that posts, through its online news feed, one-line summaries of the recommendations produced by 65 investment firm analysts, including those of the plaintiffs. Fly claimed that it culls and aggregates only summaries of the firms’ recommendations (i.e., rating and target price) and does so from a combination of public sources, including news outlets, chat rooms and sources in the securities markets. Like the plaintiffs, Fly distributes these summaries before the New York Stock Exchange opens each morning. Fly’s subscribers are principally individual investors and brokers, as compared to the institutional investors largely targeted by the firms. Although the recommendations published by Fly are attributed to the respective firms, according to the plaintiffs, the recipients of Fly’s newsfeed have no particular incentive to trade with the recommending firm.
[...]
In summary, in the Second Circuit at least, the “hot news” misappropriation claim survives copyright preemption, but only in what appears to be very narrow (and uncertain) circumstances. The Barclays decision would appear to eviscerate the ability of “hot” data and news providers to prevent aggregators from “scooping” or otherwise republishing content that is not protected by copyright (e.g., because it is pure fact or data), where the aggregator has put significant effort into collecting and compiling information and is not merely republishing the plaintiff’s “news.”

 

[GoKaizen]

Keep it up @Dnbolt because BB is becoming just for a few people who get special treatment. Any data for the rest of us is extremely useful.

 

[campout]

BB is becoming just for a few people who get special treatment.

That's not been my experience at all.

I hope this guy shields the data. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[GoKaizen]

As @jberryhill said @Dnbolt is in the clear. He does NOT need to shield anything, should keep the site indexed, and is free to do as he pleases.

 

[campout]

I think it's generally a code of conduct we adhere to on NP (and as domainers) not to put each others' sales on blast against each other's wishes.

 

[domainsoup]

I think it's generally a code of conduct we adhere to on NP (and as domainers) not to put each others' sales on blast against each other's wishes.

Tell that to namebio. DNbolt indexes enduser sales. Namebio indexes domain auctions and kills their resale value.