Brandbucket Challenges Dnbolt For Reporting Sales Data

[Dnbolt]

Hi guys today I made a final decision to join namepros. I don’t normally participate in forums discussions etc. I have BIG concern that I want to share with you and get your opinions.

Little bit about myself: l am a student, I recently developed interest in data, I am a part time domain investor, I spend most of my time creating unbeatable algorithms and finally as you may know I publish BB sales at dnbolt

About a year I started developing interests in brandabale domain. I needed to get some insight about sold domains from brandbucket but quickly learnt brandbucket doesn’t publish them. But fortunately enough we all know that in the domain name world most data is obtainable, right?

To keep things short, I have been getting emails from brandbucket asking me if I can prevent making the data crawlable by search engine technically asking me to make the content available to just myself.
Months later I got a forwarded email asking if I can obfuscate the sold domains I have listed to prevent google indexing the content. But to be honest if google index my content on search how is that my problem?
Surprisingly they have even gone the extent of contacting my hosting provider. I was a little bit upset that they contacted my hosting as I was only being helpful providing data to those who needed it and instead of getting a pat on the back for my hard work, I got accused and an invisible spanking.


My question to you is.

1. How can a marketplace try to claim ownership or exclusive rights to a domain that has been SOLD and no longer listed on the site for sale?
2. How can a SOLD DOMAIN still belong to the previous marketplace in any way, shape or or form?
3. Why can’t they be happy that I am helping them to publish sales data for free?
4. Does BB have any right to challenge Dnbolt for the kind service he renders?
5. Do I have to listen to BB and stop proving sales data to the public?


I would like to hear your thoughts thanks.

 

[AutoDealer]

There's no such thing as a Public Domain Marketplace, they are all owned by private companies who can set policies as they please. My prediction is we will see less transparency in pricing in the future, not more.

Edit: I guess the closest thing to a Public Domain Marketplace is when names drop.

Public information meaning that private registration isn't used.

 

[JimJammy]

I do not list any emails on my site.

Regards
Tony

You have given my email out in an email list JACK.

 

[AutoDealer]

You have given my email out in an email list JACK.

Email lists are really not the issue, they don't adhere to the same standard as the Internet search engines but wait, ... don't you WANT your email address passed between industry folk?

Pick your argument because one is clearly not relating to both.

 

[joethrows]

That’s a good idea but this will cause problems to my database. And sometimes I need to analyse data further to understand popular keywords letters etc. Like in my database from past 2000+ sales record it shows the letter "oo" in brandable domain is quite desirable. Basically if I go with your approach it will mess my system up.

i've only just started sending names over to brand bucket last week, today receiving my first two responses from them. 1 was approved, the other denied. interestingly enough, the denied domain has the double O.

ozboo dot com

 

[Dnbolt]

Hey Jack, I contacted your hosting provider. I do not work for BrandBucket.

1. I do not appreciate my personal information being passed around the internet.
2. It is MY business if I sold a domain and what price I sold it for, not yours nor anyone elses.
3. There are people (more than one) that you have taken it upon yourself to provide my email address, and details of my sales to, that think it's OK to contact me... they expect free tutoring/advice. It's not OK.
4. BB clearly state on their website that the DO NOT ALLOW details of their sales to be shared: Information on any domain name sold at BrandBucket, including the name, price and/or logo design may not be listed on your personal website or other marketplace without BrandBucket's approval. BrandBucket retains the right to be the sole publisher of sales information in order to comply with customers' needs to make this information private at any time.
5. BB have obviously contacted you direct as they feel the information you are providing could have a negative impact on sellers/customers. I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales.
6. In THIS thread Michael has further stated that this could have a negative impact on sellers/customers. I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales.
.
I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales. Remove my domains, my name, my email address and everything else that I may be associated from both your website and the lists provided to your 'clients'.










Thanks

Very nice to know you have revealed yourself, did you get permissoin from brandbucket before taking such actions?

 

[Dnbolt]

i've only just started sending names over to brand bucket last week, today receiving my first two responses from them. 1 was approved, the other denied. interestingly enough, the denied domain has the double O.

ozboo dot com

Try other brandable marketplace or sell it to me.

 

[JimJammy]

Very nice to know you have revealed yourself, did you get permissoin from brandbucket before taking such actions?

I wasn't hiding. I don't need BBs permission to ask you to remove my details from your website. I tried calling you several times and couldn't get hold of you to remove my details. I found out later you were probably still in classes. I will call you this evening, please be available.

 

[Dnbolt]

I wasn't hiding. I don't need BBs permission to ask you to remove my details from your website. I tried calling you several times and couldn't get hold of you to remove my details. I found out later you were probably still in classes. I will call you this evening, please be available.

Why mentioning that I probably still be in classes, also you are mixing up names..

 

[DomainVP]

If the price is public, and then the domain sells, the connection of the two sets of information should not be 'protected', in my opinion.

I'm sure there are a handful of people that have harvested the BB website for all domains listed, and it's price - then watch for 'whois' updates. I thought about doing it once, but I can buy great brandable domains without having to drag across Bottom Barrel Bucket's domain listings.

I'm not 100%, but I am sure I remember some cases where served data available without credentials, has been seen as public information without any expectation of privacy or responsibility of integrity.

This was an issue with FF/Chrome extensions that can manipulate how websites appear to a user.

So once the data is served, I truly don't think that there is any enforceable expectation of privacy for anyone - especially if there are no fees or other commercial activities going on with a website that is making that data available for others.

Not listing the price anywhere sounds more like a courtesy than a mandate to be dictated by a weak TOS.

Sure a buyer or seller might not like the price being out there to the world, but that's an issue with BB, not with DNBolt. If the listing of the price is so important, than start requiring buyers to sign in and get a price quote before there is any price provided.

There are con's against doing that sure, but it is a solution for a problem.

In the end, if BB has a problem with that they should hire you for your consultation services (or buy your website) and request some form non-disclosure that includes you not preforming those activities. That's how most companies fix problems like this.

 

[DU]

If the price is public, and then the domain sells, the connection of the two sets of information should not be 'protected', in my opinion..

Typically terms of service are not legally good enough to prevent scraping; however, it should be noted that web scraping is typically frowned upon. That said, the for sale price is public. The sold price is not public so your data aggregation is misleading/inaccurate.

If BB wants to stop you they will just ban your IP if it's clear that you're scraping and can identify it though one of the many tells - sessions opened, requests made etc.

 

[Grilled]

Wow - things have really blown up since I first saw this thread.

I do not list any emails on my site.

Regards
Tony

Also, although interesting, adding the domain with the fastest turnover singles the domain owner out and can bring the seller some unwanted attention.

Jack or Tony or James - Please be open everything being told to you. I understand it's hard when your attached to your work, but take a step back, and listen to what's being told to you. Change, adapt, and overcome.

 

[Dnbolt]

Hey Jack, I contacted your hosting provider. I do not work for BrandBucket.

1. I do not appreciate my personal information being passed around the internet.
2. It is MY business if I sold a domain and what price I sold it for, not yours nor anyone elses.
3. There are people (more than one) that you have taken it upon yourself to provide my email address, and details of my sales to, that think it's OK to contact me... they expect free tutoring/advice. It's not OK.
4. BB clearly state on their website that the DO NOT ALLOW details of their sales to be shared: Information on any domain name sold at BrandBucket, including the name, price and/or logo design may not be listed on your personal website or other marketplace without BrandBucket's approval. BrandBucket retains the right to be the sole publisher of sales information in order to comply with customers' needs to make this information private at any time.
5. BB have obviously contacted you direct as they feel the information you are providing could have a negative impact on sellers/customers. I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales.
6. In THIS thread Michael has further stated that this could have a negative impact on sellers/customers. I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales.
.
I do not appreciate you doing anything that could have a negative impact on my sales. Remove my domains, my name, my email address and everything else that I may be associated from both your website and the lists provided to your 'clients'.

Thanks

Wow - things have really blown up since I first saw this thread.


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Also, although interesting, adding the domain with the fastest turnover singles the domain owner out and can bring the seller some unwanted attention.

Jack or Tony or James - Please be open everything being told to you. I understand it's hard when your attached to your work, but take a step back, and listen to what's being told to you. Change, adapt, and overcome.

I hear you, I will look into that.

 

[Grilled]

Well someone contacted my hosting in the name of "Brandbucket" so Brandbucket is 100% responsbible and cannot deny the fact.

Don't assume everything is a 100% certainty.

Lately, I've had some of my domains trolled. Most commonly a domain I'm selling for $25,000. Trolled meaning, somebody initiates a BIN transaction sending the domain to escrow via Escrow.com. No payment is ever made, and often times the buyer uses the name Adam Dicker.

I can either assume Adam is my buyer and he is 100% responsible for following through with payment, or I can assume somebody is using this known domainer's name to troll me.

 

[domainsoup]

Only Sedo and Flippa report sales data these days. GoDaddy and Afternic havent reported any sales data for over a year and the last time DNS reported sales data was in Q1 last year.

All Godaddy Auctions is indexed by namebio in less than 1 day of sale.

 

[Eckhart]

the more you tell a baby to not do something there more the baby would like try to those things

Funny!

Now seriously, I think you can gain more from an amiable relationship with BB than a confrontational one. The fact that you provide all that data helps us increase our approval ratio and BB is benefiting from this, you are not enemies. Why do you care if you remove indexing? We already have your site bookmarked (and every BB seller should), so your loyal visitors will be there regardless of google, and now that you joined NP (welcome btw) more people will know about your site and you'll get much more traffic than from google searches. You can add your site link in the sig and on your profile page and also post regularly in the BB thread, so plenty exposure.

 

[Dnbolt]

Funny!

Now seriously, I think you can gain more from an amiable relationship with BB than a confrontational one. The fact that you provide all that data helps us increase our approval ratio and BB is benefiting from this, you are not enemies. Why do you care if you remove indexing? We already have your site bookmarked (and every BB seller should), so your loyal visitors will be there regardless of google, and now that you joined NP (welcome btw) more people will know about your site and you'll get much more traffic than from google searches. You can add your site link in the sig and on your profile page and also post regularly in the BB thread, so plenty exposure.

I think you have a strong point, I need to start making plans to not index my site. I am ready to comply with anyone in this domain industry. I am also sorry if I have offended
anyone in any way.

Thanks for your kind advice

 

[Dnbolt]

I wasn't hiding. I don't need BBs permission to ask you to remove my details from your website. I tried calling you several times and couldn't get hold of you to remove my details. I found out later you were probably still in classes. I will call you this evening, please be available.

Your probably calling with wrong number, till now I have not gotten any calls.

 

[Domainzy]

@Dnbolt

BB is only asking that you use obfuscation. E/x/a/m/p/l/e or E.x.a.m.p.l.e instead of Example on your website. This will help protect the buyers and businesses of these names. And also indirectly protect the domain sellers. We feel hiding the names from the search engines is the proper thing to do. Thank you for your understanding and we hope you have continued success selling on BB!

 

[ctmixing]

I never knew dnbolt existed until now. BOOKMARKED!!!

 

[ctmixing]

It's amazing how brandbucket is affraid of you getting their sales indexed when they still have my domin indexed on google and all search engines. I removed that domain from their marketplace months ago