Do you think the domain industry recognizes .tv now as a serious domain extension and do you think .tv gets the respect it deserves from the big players ?
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I own a couple of .tv names and I think the extension is slowly getting noticed.
The thing is this.. every day more an more .tv experiences are being bought into focus. People / companies are building quality sites and reinventing the net in many ways, so its a longer development time.
You dont just throw up a site like you do with a .com.. You really try to be innovative, cutting edge and lead the way into the next web experience..
So.. to answer your question, I dont think it matters what the domain industry thinks of the extension.. Many of em are like closet cross dresser's, they publicly frown at the thought, but secretly partake whilst alone and in the dark.. One day they will "come out" and claim to be leaders and trend setters.
The thing is this.. every day more an more .tv experiences are being bought into focus. People / companies are building quality sites and reinventing the net in many ways, so its a longer development time.
You dont just throw up a site like you do with a .com.. You really try to be innovative, cutting edge and lead the way into the next web experience..
So.. to answer your question, I dont think it matters what the domain industry thinks of the extension.. Many of em are like closet cross dresser's, they publicly frown at the thought, but secretly partake whilst alone and in the dark.. One day they will "come out" and claim to be leaders and trend setters.
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in a word 'no'
Too many lies, half truths and statements made without research done.
I believe that mor e.tv owners should do something to stop other domainers rubbishing .tv by replying to blog posts, doing their own blogs with the REAL truth about the current state of .tv (not the .com owners truth which says the Island is sinking, there is no development and all good domains have massive premiums)
IMHO
Too many lies, half truths and statements made without research done.
I believe that mor e.tv owners should do something to stop other domainers rubbishing .tv by replying to blog posts, doing their own blogs with the REAL truth about the current state of .tv (not the .com owners truth which says the Island is sinking, there is no development and all good domains have massive premiums)
IMHO
In another word, the domain industry has depended for a long, long time on getting money from .com names that have been in a "parking" lot, so to speak.
.tv, by its very name, demands development as those who go to the extension would want to see content, either informative or some type of activity other than a "parked" page.
the domain industry sees the extension as a threat to that parking lot, as more and more endusers are getting the same name that .com is selling for a fraction of the price, or I should say a fairer price. This is called competition so in effect our(.tv) very existence threatens the other domain extension to some extent.
This is not to say .com will be replaced. This just means that we will branch off into another segment of the cyber reality that .com thought was their own. A kind of techno-evolution, if you will.
In closing, I think we only threaten that segment of the domain industry that held names hostage from endusers by demanding a "ransom" that was really overblown in many, many cases. .tv represents an economic and user-friendlier alternative to the enduser and the extension itself is more in tune with the 21st century and the technology that follows it. It seems that time is proving this analysis accurate so far.
I would venture to guess that the reluctance by Mr. LaTona, Sedo and other concerns reflect what I have written, as they have been in the forefront to discourage and put up a wall against the extension for no other rational reason, it seems. Yet the .tv extension barrels merrily on, oblivious to their unjust and unwarranted attacks.
Just reflecting my opinion on the domain industry's spin on our extension and the green-eyed side glances they cast in our direction.
.tv, by its very name, demands development as those who go to the extension would want to see content, either informative or some type of activity other than a "parked" page.
the domain industry sees the extension as a threat to that parking lot, as more and more endusers are getting the same name that .com is selling for a fraction of the price, or I should say a fairer price. This is called competition so in effect our(.tv) very existence threatens the other domain extension to some extent.
This is not to say .com will be replaced. This just means that we will branch off into another segment of the cyber reality that .com thought was their own. A kind of techno-evolution, if you will.
In closing, I think we only threaten that segment of the domain industry that held names hostage from endusers by demanding a "ransom" that was really overblown in many, many cases. .tv represents an economic and user-friendlier alternative to the enduser and the extension itself is more in tune with the 21st century and the technology that follows it. It seems that time is proving this analysis accurate so far.
I would venture to guess that the reluctance by Mr. LaTona, Sedo and other concerns reflect what I have written, as they have been in the forefront to discourage and put up a wall against the extension for no other rational reason, it seems. Yet the .tv extension barrels merrily on, oblivious to their unjust and unwarranted attacks.
Just reflecting my opinion on the domain industry's spin on our extension and the green-eyed side glances they cast in our direction.
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It's only a matter of time.
Only when more and more companies (and developers) start to develop sites using .TV ext. will the extension start to get respect. (which it's starting to get)
Talking the extension up doesn't really do much here, your just preaching to the choir.
When Vogue.TV and other major companies building a solid platform around it, then and only then will you see it get more and more "respect" from old school domainers.
So, in short, don't worry about whats said, the .TV's day will come soon.
Only when more and more companies (and developers) start to develop sites using .TV ext. will the extension start to get respect. (which it's starting to get)
Talking the extension up doesn't really do much here, your just preaching to the choir.
When Vogue.TV and other major companies building a solid platform around it, then and only then will you see it get more and more "respect" from old school domainers.
So, in short, don't worry about whats said, the .TV's day will come soon.
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the bit that annoys me is 1000's of top brands are using .tv's but i still hear well respected experts say thats what .tv is missing.
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I'm not happy with so many US GEO DOT TVs sitting parked.
At least mine aren't parked
Seriously, we need more development. Not just mini sites, but really businesses. I'm not happy that Landmark has most of their GEO DOT TVs undeveloped. I hope Morris doesn't make the same mistake.
At least mine aren't parked
Seriously, we need more development. Not just mini sites, but really businesses. I'm not happy that Landmark has most of their GEO DOT TVs undeveloped. I hope Morris doesn't make the same mistake.
From my perspective, there is a convergence occurring with collision and merging of all of these great new technologies. Computer, TV, and mobile are becoming 1 platform. With this revolution - there is 1 extension that i feel is positioned to take full advantage of this shift and it is dot tv.
Everyone knows that .com is king. There is no debating that fact. However - with the huge cost associated w/ securing a high quality .com name, where are people going to go in the future? .net while also very respectable - gets "lost in the mix" and doesn't "brand" nearly as well from my perspective... so what else am i going to build on? what are all the young kids coming up going to build on? where is the future of the web going? do you think video on the web has a future??? For me, the truth is that I really could care less what other domainers think of this extension. I don't buy dot tv for them. I buy it for me and what i believe the future is... and since i certainly don't have all the answers - maybe time will prove me wrong. For some reason though - I can't stop watching apple tv though... and i can't help but notice all the "new" high end flat screen tv monitors coming out these days have online capabilities. Why on earth would that be?
As someone alluded to earlier - don't trust what other domainers are telling you about tv. The ones who do believe are snapping them up as quick as they can.
The amzing thing about dot tv is that TV is your brand... people remember "tv" b/c it is so unique and different (from .com) and that is a very powerful brand to own.
ps - none of this is happening overnight. come back in 10 years from now and see where tv is. i can promise you it won't be underwater as some would have you believe.
Everyone knows that .com is king. There is no debating that fact. However - with the huge cost associated w/ securing a high quality .com name, where are people going to go in the future? .net while also very respectable - gets "lost in the mix" and doesn't "brand" nearly as well from my perspective... so what else am i going to build on? what are all the young kids coming up going to build on? where is the future of the web going? do you think video on the web has a future??? For me, the truth is that I really could care less what other domainers think of this extension. I don't buy dot tv for them. I buy it for me and what i believe the future is... and since i certainly don't have all the answers - maybe time will prove me wrong. For some reason though - I can't stop watching apple tv though... and i can't help but notice all the "new" high end flat screen tv monitors coming out these days have online capabilities. Why on earth would that be?
As someone alluded to earlier - don't trust what other domainers are telling you about tv. The ones who do believe are snapping them up as quick as they can.
The amzing thing about dot tv is that TV is your brand... people remember "tv" b/c it is so unique and different (from .com) and that is a very powerful brand to own.
ps - none of this is happening overnight. come back in 10 years from now and see where tv is. i can promise you it won't be underwater as some would have you believe.
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I see RickLatona just paid the $1K to renew FortLauderdale.TV. Welcome to the club Rick.
Thanks for the replies guys.
My personal view is:
1: I do think dot tv is not being taken as seriously as it should be by the current industry "experts" ie: auction event organisers who do not see the bigger picture and what dot tv is going to become. If you don't know what you're selling you wont be very successful at selling it and some of those guys do not know their ass from firstbase, however, they could be smarter than they appear to be playing the wait and grab game from the drop pool hoping to go un-noticed..... How many good dot tv domains have you dropped or will be dropping in the near future which you think are gonna fall back into the public domain for registration?
2: All domain extensions have their place and dot com is todays current "must have" domain name if you're looking for status and credibility in certain types of businesses with the exception of long standing and trusted cc domains in the right circumstances so even myself (a great believer in .tv) would use .com or .co.uk when the circumstances or business model dictated.
3: People in forums like this are much more advanced in being able to see the future and understand the value of virtual realestate than the movers and decision makers of traditional (older school) business eneterprises who are the ones who cough up the big bucks which lead to domains appearing on the DNJouranl leader board (in most cases). I think we need a proactive bridge from the future virtual business world to the traditional business world where traditional old school businesses can be shown what so many here can see.
4: I Do think Dot tv is being regged on the quiet by some of the more well known dot com players who are hiding being privacy just incase the extension flops...remember when you're up at the top you need to keep your reputation intact and part of that is not to show bad judgement but you just watch those privacy shileds drop down when dot tv demand explodes within main stream business! I have always said dot tv needs other technologies to catch up and full convergence between the PC and tv to happen before the extensions true value is realized.
5: I also think there is an opportunity to work around the major "domain industry" aftermarket players of today and leave them in a dust cloud of regret if the don't play ball with dot tv.
Just a few points I have on my mind at this time regarding where we and dot tv stands today.
My personal view is:
1: I do think dot tv is not being taken as seriously as it should be by the current industry "experts" ie: auction event organisers who do not see the bigger picture and what dot tv is going to become. If you don't know what you're selling you wont be very successful at selling it and some of those guys do not know their ass from firstbase, however, they could be smarter than they appear to be playing the wait and grab game from the drop pool hoping to go un-noticed..... How many good dot tv domains have you dropped or will be dropping in the near future which you think are gonna fall back into the public domain for registration?
2: All domain extensions have their place and dot com is todays current "must have" domain name if you're looking for status and credibility in certain types of businesses with the exception of long standing and trusted cc domains in the right circumstances so even myself (a great believer in .tv) would use .com or .co.uk when the circumstances or business model dictated.
3: People in forums like this are much more advanced in being able to see the future and understand the value of virtual realestate than the movers and decision makers of traditional (older school) business eneterprises who are the ones who cough up the big bucks which lead to domains appearing on the DNJouranl leader board (in most cases). I think we need a proactive bridge from the future virtual business world to the traditional business world where traditional old school businesses can be shown what so many here can see.
4: I Do think Dot tv is being regged on the quiet by some of the more well known dot com players who are hiding being privacy just incase the extension flops...remember when you're up at the top you need to keep your reputation intact and part of that is not to show bad judgement but you just watch those privacy shileds drop down when dot tv demand explodes within main stream business! I have always said dot tv needs other technologies to catch up and full convergence between the PC and tv to happen before the extensions true value is realized.
5: I also think there is an opportunity to work around the major "domain industry" aftermarket players of today and leave them in a dust cloud of regret if the don't play ball with dot tv.
Just a few points I have on my mind at this time regarding where we and dot tv stands today.
Well constructed points. The one above in particular is going to be very influential.
all great points.... and i would say this about tv - i don't think anyone expects a live streaming tv experience at this point in time just yet... i think it's more about a "video element" coupled w/ great content and a cutting edge clean layout tied to a futuristic vibe... that would be nice. web 4.0... :lala: i think that's what's important.
Although most probably would not agree, I also think tv will be used to sell products in a big way moving forward too... video sells itself... just ask Vince from Sham-wow... that reminds me - i've got to tivo pitchmen tonight... "BILLY MAYS HERE!!!!!!!" lol
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Although most probably would not agree, I also think tv will be used to sell products in a big way moving forward too... video sells itself... just ask Vince from Sham-wow... that reminds me - i've got to tivo pitchmen tonight... "BILLY MAYS HERE!!!!!!!" lol
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Latona has a service that basically works like this: you submit a name to him and if he chooses to, tries to sell it for you for a 10 percent fee. I submitted a spanish name to him, he declined, and I emailed asking if it was the nature of the name or was the fact that it was a dottv. His reply "at this time I am not interested in any tv's".
So the Ft Lauderdale renewal is amusing to me. Perhaps they think they will profit more if they keep the secret to themselves
So the Ft Lauderdale renewal is amusing to me. Perhaps they think they will profit more if they keep the secret to themselves
An outsider cannot be officially taken seriously and get respected by those who have put in place the regime, but I tend to believe that the "domain industry" (how many 'big players' are they ?) is turning around, lurking, showing more attention to .tv, a bit like such a beautiful showbiz extension with such luxury reservation fees is, in addition to a sulfurous reputation, terribly seductive
I don't mind if the so called domain industry doesn't recognizes .tv, I am even happy if they can stay away from it still for some time, this is not an extension for the domain industry this is an extension developed and powered by the Industry, who cares about the big players as the extension does work pretty well without them, for about ten years slowly but surely .tv has grown and is still flowering when other inflated extensions by the domain industry have collapsed.
I don't mind if the so called domain industry doesn't recognizes .tv, I am even happy if they can stay away from it still for some time, this is not an extension for the domain industry this is an extension developed and powered by the Industry, who cares about the big players as the extension does work pretty well without them, for about ten years slowly but surely .tv has grown and is still flowering when other inflated extensions by the domain industry have collapsed.
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Does it really matter what the "domain industry" thinks? Does it really matter what the "big players" think? What makes someone a "big player" in the domain industry? I know someone who is a billionaire that owns just a few domains... does that make him a "big player" in the domain industry? He can buy any premium .TV he wants, if he cared... he could've bought Toys.com, Ad.com, even Sex.com... if he cared. So ask yourself: what makes someone a big player in the "domain" industry? Is it because they own thousands of domains? Hundreds of thousands of domains? Is it because they are the most vocal? Blog the most? Post on domain forums often? Have the most twitter followers? LOL. I don't measure success based on those factors, and I don't make investment decisions based on what "domainers" decide is a qualified extension. If you want to be a billionaire or a billion dollar company: surround yourself with those people, follow in their footsteps, do research, learn from their successes AND failures, etc.
Fortune 100 companies that have developed their domains don't give a damn what the domaining community thinks. In fact, most "companies/developers/startups/VCs" that I know hate domainers. HATE. The developers that like .TV love the fact that the renewals are premium priced because it means they aren't all owned and parked by domainers.
Don't base your investment decisions on what other "domainers" are doing. Don't worry whether or not domainers think .TV is a "serious" extension. IMHO, the main reason why anyone would care what other domainers think... is if they are concerned with selling their .TVs in the aftermarket to other domainers. if you're in the domain game and looking for a substantial ROI, sell to end-users, not other domainers.
I for one am glad that domainers hate certain extensions (.TV, etc...) because it allows me to buy the names I want, when I want, and within budget.
Bottom line: do you really need validation about your investment strategy from other domainers?
Either way... good luck.
Fortune 100 companies that have developed their domains don't give a damn what the domaining community thinks. In fact, most "companies/developers/startups/VCs" that I know hate domainers. HATE. The developers that like .TV love the fact that the renewals are premium priced because it means they aren't all owned and parked by domainers.
Don't base your investment decisions on what other "domainers" are doing. Don't worry whether or not domainers think .TV is a "serious" extension. IMHO, the main reason why anyone would care what other domainers think... is if they are concerned with selling their .TVs in the aftermarket to other domainers. if you're in the domain game and looking for a substantial ROI, sell to end-users, not other domainers.
I for one am glad that domainers hate certain extensions (.TV, etc...) because it allows me to buy the names I want, when I want, and within budget.
Bottom line: do you really need validation about your investment strategy from other domainers?
Either way... good luck.
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the lack of interest from domainers really helps a lot in finding a great name!
You mean within the insane pricing set by Enom
I'm sure more domainers and end users would dabble with .tv if they didn't have to cope with the rip-off premium pricing scheme.
Okay, I'm beating a dead horse and there are good domains at standard/moderate rate but it's harder to sell a good domain of the upkeep costs are high. It makes domains less liquid. And the best domains are out of reach (too expensive).
It reminds me of a nice quote by Snoop... IMO it nicely tells why .tv is overrated :talk:
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I can't really add to much of what has already said except I been a believer in .tv since 2000 when I bought my first one. 9 years have passed and I am still a big believer. Who cares what people think outside of .tv? The market dictates things, not other domainers.
I am taking big chances on .tv with purchases of Spain.tv, Europe.tv, Moscow.tv and many others this year all which will be developed. Lot of people told me that was foolish but I don't care what they think. What's foolish is when somebody buys a .com name for XXX,XXX and it only get's 50 type-ins a day and they park the name and make $2.00 a day on it. That is a real bad ROI. Or you can buy a great .tv name for under $1,000 and have the potential for a great ROI. What makes more sense. Therefore, it's back to development and that is where .tv has the advantages for reasons many already mentioned here.
Thanks, Jim
I am taking big chances on .tv with purchases of Spain.tv, Europe.tv, Moscow.tv and many others this year all which will be developed. Lot of people told me that was foolish but I don't care what they think. What's foolish is when somebody buys a .com name for XXX,XXX and it only get's 50 type-ins a day and they park the name and make $2.00 a day on it. That is a real bad ROI. Or you can buy a great .tv name for under $1,000 and have the potential for a great ROI. What makes more sense. Therefore, it's back to development and that is where .tv has the advantages for reasons many already mentioned here.
Thanks, Jim
You mean within the insane pricing set by Enom
I'm sure more domainers and end users would dabble with .tv if they didn't have to cope with the rip-off premium pricing scheme.
Okay, I'm beating a dead horse and there are good domains at standard/moderate rate but it's harder to sell a good domain of the upkeep costs are high. It makes domains less liquid. And the best domains are out of reach (too expensive).
It reminds me of a nice quote by Snoop... IMO it nicely tells why .tv is overrated :talk:
I'm not sure why you're quoting me here but let me say if you are saying my statement has been addressed by snoops past post
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"It is always the way, people hope for history to repeat. If you read the .tv forum much the same argument has been made for nearly a decade, just replace the words ".tv" with ".mobi" and "Internet video explosion" with "Mobile internet explosion". Well Internet video did explode, but it did very little for .tv speculators. Why? Because the vast majority of video focused sites still just use .com and country codes. A revolution doesn't require a new extension."
Then you couldn't be more wrong and all I can say is snoop has quite limited vision when it comes to the dot tv extension. What I am trying my best to clarify here is the fact that dot tv is the ONLY domain extension to be well and truly associated with, what has been and still is today, the most powerful entertainment and communication platform on earth (The Television set) and once the tv becomes the main choice for Internet access by the masses then it will be the dot tv domain extension that will be associated with this new era of TV/Internet convergence. Although there are some areas of commerce dot tv would be inappropriate to use with there are many highly profitable areas dot tv was made for. It is pointless quoting historical events of yesteryear because there has never been the essential technology available up until now to fully demonstrate what is now achievable with super fast internet and more advanced hardware. There is no other extension like dot tv which is not just an extension but also is a partner with the future technology just over the horizon.
As far as .mobi is concerned....I think it is a terrible extension that was pointless other than to make a lot of $$$$$$ out of people who in my opinion where simply misled with clever marketing hype and I would even go as far as to question the authenticity of some of those early reported mega bucks auction results we all saw in the early days of dot mobi. A website can detect when a mobile device is being used and display the mobile version of the site on that device similar to the way google can geo detect where in the world you are and show the localized version google instead of the US .com version. Try hotmail.com on a mobile device and it will be in mobile mode without needing to switch to mobi from com.
For anyone who reads my views on dot tv and gets the impression I am biased in favor of dot tv just because I own a few I'll just say upfront I hold more premium .com and .co.uk domains than I do dot tv.
Somebody left me bad rep for my post, sounds like I struck a nerve
Nonetheless I beg to disagree with your assertion that "the tv becomes the main choice for Internet access by the masses", actually I see the opposite happening (TV moving to the web). Or am I missing the latest trends ?
Nonetheless I beg to disagree with your assertion that "the tv becomes the main choice for Internet access by the masses", actually I see the opposite happening (TV moving to the web). Or am I missing the latest trends ?
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