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Are dashed domains undervalued by domainers?

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In my 10+ years of domaining I have often been mystified by the 'perceived wisdoms' within the domaining community, some had partial truths behind them whilst others obviously were almost totally without foundation and relied solely on repeating it often enough (usually by one or more of the big names in the domaining community) that they became ingrained in domaining lore in much the same way as an an urban myth develops. Today I am going to take on one of these perceived wisdoms, the lack of value of any domain containing a dash or hyphen.

It is evident that all the top domain names are registered in the .com suffix whether they be 2 character domains right through to domains made up of two, three, or even four words. Indeed the top domains are registered in almost all TLD's and ccTLD's. Most of these domains are perceived to have a value greater than the annual registration fee of the domain, yet as soon as a dash (hyphen) is introduced to a domain name it is then considered by many domainers to become almost worthless if not worthless, and this to a great extent is due to someone who I admire as generally talking a great deal of sense about domains, Rick Schwartz.

I have read numerous blogs and posts by Rick Schwartz over the years and although I am not sure it was he who first came up with the phrase 'radio test' the one thing for sure is that his usage of it has made it almost domaining lore when valuing a domain name - and this of course applies to dashed domain names. (I should say here that I use the term 'dash' or 'dashed' in preference to 'hyphen' or 'hyphened' much the same way that people have adapted to using the term 'dot' instead of 'full stop'). The 'radio test' is how people who might HEAR the domain on radio or aurally through some other means understand the address name. The inclusion of a 'dash' in a domain has for years been seen as failing the so-called 'radio test'.

Now there are several things to point out in favour of dashed domains that are generally ignored by many domainers, but due to lack of space per post (and the fact any readers of this might not want to read more than the minimum) I shall just list them.

  • Most people are introduced to a website either through search engines or through clicking links in articles or emails.
  • Most businesses are small to medium businesses who cannot afford the top dollar premium domains that mainly large conglomerates buy but still want a descriptive domain/s for their business, this applies to businesses throughout the world including a growing number in the USA who are utilising dashed domains.
  • Predictive addressing in the address bar means that when a user has visited a site the predictive address is supplied in the address bar, and this includes the 'dash' in the address (I vistit the Cel-Robox site and as soon as I start typing the address the predictive address comes up with Cel-robox.com).
  • Owners of non-dashed domains should for defensive reasons alone acquire the dashed version, whilst competitors might want the dashed version to link through to their own site or launch a competing site (here I refer to non-TM domain names).
  • In many instances a dashed .com domain name should (IMO) be worth at least the value of the undashed .net domain name.
  • Multiple uses of single dashes such as with L-L-L.com or N-N-N.com are easily readable and memorable visually, so again these are valuable domains (perhaps seen by the current uptrend in registrations and snaps occuring). Again these will not be as valuable as a LLL.com or NNN.com but should I think be at least as valuable as the corresponding LLL.net or NNN.net.
Anyone want to make this a discussion?
 
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I did a quick search on Namebio, 346,000 non-hyphenated sales and 11,000 hyphenated.

About 97% to 3%.

Not sure if this means we should avoid hyphenated domains, I know in Germany they are cool :xf.cool:
 
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I completely agree with your perspective. Over the past year I have seen a few "dashed" domains show up in some of the sales lists, and for decent $ too. I think you are right about the "perceived wisdoms". I see no logical reason why these domains should not have good value.
 
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@asfas - Remember that most domain sales are domainer to domainer, what would be interesting is how many domainer to end user sales there are. Also how many non-dashed domains and dashed domains are registered?

Also when talking about 'sales' what is the pricing of those sales? How many small to medium businesses are now using dashed domains as their web address? There is a preponderance of non-dashed websites but is this figure declining? The questions are numerous and why this discussion needs to be had.
 
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doubt i would reg any unless it was top notch terms in the class of real-estate, sporting-goods etc
 
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In the above search on Namebio, if we exclude most of domainer-to-domainer and short "liquid" sales, by setting price $1500+ and length 6+, the numbers become : 106,000 vs 3,000 , about the same 3% percentage for hyphenated domains.
 
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I agree as well. Dashed domains seem to be undervalued overall.

But it very much depends what market you are targeting. Whilst in Europe people can never be sure whether the name mentioned is dashed or not, in US people would intuitively type the non-dashed version.
And I guess that's where the influence on domainers and end-users came from.

IMO the longer the domain and the more words, the better with dash.
 
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Hyphenated domains are widely used in the UK and Germany ...
Sometimes they even prefer the hyphenated over the NON hyphenated one ...
But for investment purposes I believe itยดs better stay away from them because they have absolutely NO resale value. Itยดs very dificult to close a sale for a hyphenated domain even if he contains good keywords.
I owned for many years 89-8.com a domain that I promoted, started paid auctions (with low reserve price)
and there was no way to get a $90 bid on it ... If there was any number instead of the hyphen (even 0 or 4) that would have been a $5K - $10K domain name ... just to give an example.
Conclusion: I have 0 hyphenated domains on my portfolio !!!

NOTE: the hyphenated version of a domain name will always loose type-in traffic to the NON hyphenated one ...
 
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I think when it comes to end users you might have a chance to sell if the price is right, the keywords are well matched to the business, and the dashed domain with those desirable keywords is a better alternative to what they already have
 
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In the above search on Namebio, if we exclude most of domainer-to-domainer and short "liquid" sales, by setting price $1500+ and length 6+, the numbers become : 106,000 vs 3,000 , about the same 3% percentage for hyphenated domains.

Now take out the one word domains (i.e. where there would not be a dashed domain equal) and also the domains not made up of actual 'words', what would the numbers be then?

Hyphenated domains are widely used in the UK and Germany ...
Sometimes they even prefer the hyphenated over the NON hyphenated one ...
But for investment purposes I believe itยดs better stay away from them because they have absolutely NO resale value. Itยดs very dificult to close a sale for a hyphenated domain even if he contains good keywords.
I owned for many years 89-8.com a domain that I promoted, started paid auctions (with low reserve price)
and there was no way to get a $90 bid on it ... If there was any number instead of the hyphen (even 0 or 4) that would have been a $5K - $10K domain name ... just to give an example.
Conclusion: I have 0 hyphenated domains on my portfolio !!!

NOTE: the hyphenated version of a domain name will always loose type-in traffic to the NON hyphenated one ...

Interestingly the other day I found 18-18.com belongs to a certain well known domainer. ;)

Again it is all perspective with sales, the returns against the costs. Remember that there is only so many big companies who can buy 'the best' but there are a 1000 smaller companies who can buy 'second best' and still benefit their business.

I think when it comes to end users you might have a chance to sell if the price is right, the keywords are well matched to the business, and the dashed domain with those desirable keywords is a better alternative to what they already have

I agree totally.


To me it is seems that domainers now only look for individual bigger sales rather than multiple smaller sales, a bit strange as most domainers do not have the 'best domains' in their portfolios.

The thing is that fewer people are typing in a full address these days, and besides that a 50% or even a 5% correct type in including dash is worth it to so many companies who otherwise would get a big fat 0% of that type in anyway.
 
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doubt i would reg any unless it was top notch terms in the class of real-estate, sporting-goods etc

But then again you would register 'real-estate', 'sporting-goods',etc.

What about 'pet-store' for your local pet store? Or what about 'printer-ink-cartridge' for a store?
 
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But then again you would register 'real-estate', 'sporting-goods',etc.

What about 'pet-store' for your local pet store? Or what about 'printer-ink-cartridge' for a store?

I think 2 words with a dash works well. Beyond that I don't know.
 
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But then again you would register 'real-estate', 'sporting-goods',etc.

What about 'pet-store' for your local pet store? Or what about 'printer-ink-cartridge' for a store?


"Pet-store" seems like a nice term with big commercial value. "Printer-ink-cartridge"? Not so much. Imo, 2 words would be the abosolute limit when it comes to hyphens. Would drop the "cartridge-part". It seems a bit redundant too. "Printer-ink" seems okay though.
 
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I think 2 words with a dash works well. Beyond that I don't know.

"Pet-store" seems like a nice term with big commercial value. "Printer-ink-cartridge"? Not so much. Imo, 2 words would be the abosolute limit when it comes to hyphens. Would drop the "cartridge-part". It seems a bit redundant too. "Printer-ink" seems okay though.



The 'printer-ink-cartridge' was just an example (I have an empty one here on my desk - LOL).

Just like with undashed domains where the hierarchy is generally one word domains are better than two word domains so the same general rule applies in my opinion that two word dashed domain is better than three word dashed domain.

I think with 3 letter or number domains are 'generally' better with double dashes (L-L-L or N-N-N) rather than a single dash (L-LL / LL-L or N-NN / NN-N), of course there can be exceptions such as with 18-18 which is much better than 1-8-1-8. Here I think the principle is how would the undashed number be said or read, which I contend would be 'eighteen dash eighteen' most commonly.
 
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I think with 3 letter or number domains are 'generally' better with double dashes (L-L-L or N-N-N) rather than a single dash (L-LL / LL-L or N-NN / NN-N), of course there can be exceptions such as with 18-18 which is much better than 1-8-1-8. Here I think the principle is how would the undashed number be said or read, which I contend would be 'eighteen dash eighteen' most commonly.

I agree.
 
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I don't know what will happen with the new tld's in the future, but with the availability of .coms diminishing every year you could speculate that hyphens would be the next natural choice over other extensions, even .nets or .orgs, and so I would think that in the future they might become more desirable and valuable.
 
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I think words that are spelled with a hyphen could justify a hyphenated domain, like bail-in.com
 
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Like wi-fi,hi-fi and li-fi
 
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I love hyphenated domain names

I think hyphenated domains is a smarter decision (if you have low budget).
Whisky-Club.com for $150 or Whisky.club for $xx,xxx?
Pay-Click.com for $100 or Pay.click for $xx,xxx?
 
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I think hyphenated domains is a smarter decision (if you have low budget).
Whisky-Club.com for $150 or Whisky.club for $xx,xxx?
Pay-Click.com for $100 or Pay.click for $xx,xxx?

I agree
 
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