Anyone here using above.com to optimize Bodis/Pc/Voodoo?

[alcy]

been with PC mostly in past.. thinking of adding bodis and/or vodoo and optimize all of them on above.com

I prefer to keep maximizer off. cause I like my sale banners and sales are still more important to me than park revenue. so for discussions sake, let's say maximizer off.

anyone here doing this optimizing? is it good idea? does it even work? do you do 2 companies or 3? I heard 3 is not so good.

if I understood it correctly, if I was with PC most time in past, and now add say bodis, they'll be just sending small portion of trafic to bodis .. to test rpm..and if bigger than PC.. then they'll gradually switch.. while constantly in future continuing to test with smaller trafic where its best rpm. did I Get it right?

ty

 

[Trellian]

Yes, it's not an accusation; it's based on empirical data.

Hi that is not true at all.

We use existing parking stats as benchmark. So what ever you use currently will become your bench mark and then the rest of the parking services are tested. If you happen to start with ParkingCrew, then that is the bench mark that all other parking services need to beat.

If you start with Bodis, then those are the benchmarks that all others need to beat.

If you have no prior parking services, or you create brand new parking accounts everywhere, then we split the traffic evenly. Say you add 4 parking services, we send 25% traffic to each parking service and compare the results.

In cases where there is a benchmark and you add 3 or more parking services to compete with that existing one, we do test them in order of known performance on our system.

Say Sedo is currently doing better on some traffic, naturally it would be wise to test them 1st over others, right? and that is what our system does, tests those that are likely to perform better 1st and test others after that. So saying that PC is a preferred partner, which is not the case, is totally wrong and misleading.

Cheers
David

 

[Slanted]

Based on my last conversation with Epik support, they remove support for parking external domains. It used to be the way you described but isn't anymore (as per their statement)

Due to problems with click fraud, Epik has disabled parking for external domains by default. It is still possible to enable parking for external domains at Epik, though. And we do have customers who park external domains at Epik. Especially if they're established customers whom we know.

The concern arises if we allow new customers with no domains registered at Epik to park external domains. 95% are honest, but 5% aren't. Bad apples spoil the bunch, as they say. Based on this risk, we had to change the default setting and begin vetting.

 

[korganian]

I have domains parked at Epik. They pay 100% of parking revenue and they deposit the funds immediately into your account (Masterbucks).and visitors can instantly purchase the domain.

 

[Addison]

Above.com prioritizes their partners (ParkingCrew) over other parking companies. Their technology doesn't work as advertised anymore.

 

[Trellian]

Hi

You should emphasize the whole post, not just 2 lines out of context.

At Above over the years, we have seen many players strive to be the best and out perform all others.

Originally Sedo used to be the clear leader,
then DomainSponsor was the top for a while,
then RookMedia took the mantle,
Parking Crew was next being the top winner of traffic overall,
but right now Sedo has the honor again.

In between many others took good chunks.

The end result is, there is no one Parking services that is preferred over one another that is not based on clear performance results. And even if there is a winner overall, many services just perform better on different types of traffic, so we take that into account as well.

Cheers
David

 

[alcy]

Hi,

@frank-germany

I did not say you were the one using it the wrong way, we just had to do it as there were some that were and this was very much against parking and google policies.

And sorry that you spent time on setting this up, but I do not see why it is a Lame reason to have to protect your whole service for "all our clients" and keep our partners and G happy. At the end of the day they can make our lives very hard, so a single feature had to be removed, so that we could continue to offer this free service.

Cheers
David

its quite alright. as owner of this thread I permit Frank or anyone affected by this issue to freely express his opinions. I find this talk useful, as does Frank, and as do many others too I am sure. thanks for taking the time to offer some public information on yoru company to all your clients. clarify and transparency are important to all. and imo you above all others should have great interest in setting all records and uncertainities about your company straight. please see this as an opportunity, rather than something you would want to avoid. I hope you will. I thank you.

 

[alcy]

so clearly they do not offer 100%. what they can offer is 100% to you after say voodoo or others take their cut. which is fine. thanks for sharing

anyone else using optimizer from above.com folks?

 

[anantj]

The domain doesn't need to be registered at Epik. You just use the DNS and add it to your account.

@Slanted @robepik

Based on my last conversation with Epik support, they remove support for parking external domains. It used to be the way you described but isn't anymore (as per their statement)

 

[alcy]

I have studied this business for eons , have thousands of domains , and know how to program to analyze algorithms .

I see.

well.. above.com is a company that promises to find best combination and optimization between the park companies they work with. but if you claim this fails because they have a closer association with parking crew than any other ones. then that is a very devastating statment for anyone who may want to rely on their services. which is why I asked you how you know it and if you are 100% sure of the accusation you are making

cheers
thanks

 

[Trellian]

Hi,

Yes non blocked or google blocked are treated the same way when optimizing, as each parking service has a different way that they monetize/optimize g blocked domains, so they also get tested in the same way.

Cheers
David

 

[Trellian]

there are not many people around np.. including some serious parking experts, who will agree with you that sedo is even worth a try. so I am not so sure who to believe. do you say this based on some overall stats you know of? I mean if you have the numbers, then its hard to argue with number.s

p.s. you did not mention bodis.. thoughts?

Hi, at Above we have the numbers, we know exactly who is winning and what overall market share each parking service has. So yes this is based on actual numbers.

As for Bodis, they do OK, just not at the same levels as Sedo and ParkingCrew right now.

Cheers
David

 

[frank-germany]

the greed remark came from me.
but, yes, I do think Frank agreed with that part.
as many others would too no doubt.

and yes, sorry, I didn't think of it. clearly, if somehow someone abused url redirects, to do whatever, then clearly they can now ccontinue to do so with domains registered at above.com

therefore you are right, and David's explanation would need some readjustment and modification imo as well.

thanks

if someone wants to redirect traffic to a parked domain
he doesn't need above's redirect feature to do so

@Trellian
lame
really lame

I am not taking about peanuts
but countless of my lifetime hours wasted
with 1 stroke
none of my redirects was used to redirect to a parked page

ridiculous answer



but if I think for a minute that this would be true:

as you are not the affected parking company
and not the owner of the affected parked account
why is it YOU that feels forced to perform a "solution" ?


a solution that affects EVERY user of above nameservers
for redirect .

lame.

 

[davidc1]

what kind of money do they pay? never heard of email parking before.

are there many other companies around?

does it at all relate to regular parking? as in, if you have quality parking domains, making some revenue, then those will make you more in email parking?

im curoius to find out more, cause obviously, its not something people talk about a lot.

they only monetize using mx records you can test them, you'll see within a few hours which domains you have are suitable.
You can setup records A to another parking company and continue to be pay by them.

 

[frank-germany]

This seems to be the problem with parking optimization services.

Do you think it might be possible to increase performance for low traffic domains by NOT rotating? After all there is a cost to rotation, and parking companies already optimize on their end.

What do you think about allowing your users to set a default parking company for their low traffic domains?

that's what some companies
like you to believe:

that there is a kind of database for keywords
that a domain is about
and they preoptimize the ads
based on past knowledge

but that doesn't happen
at least not for my parking

but what happens a lot
is that I get a great CPC
at the first day that generates income
and after that no more
or only once in a while

that's my parking reality

 

[anantj]

Tried... Did not like their performance and/or optimization... Moved away...
Epik parking rotation did better (or maybe that domain was decent)...

 

[anantj]

epik has parking? how does that work? I guess you need domains on their registrar?

Yes. The domain needs to be registered with Epik

may I ask why you refer to single domain? ty

Cos of the previous reason. I only had 4 or so names out of which I only parked one. Earned me ~$10-$15 in a month or so... I don't remember

 

[alcy]

ok... as I thought.. for epik (chat excerpt):


Epik has built a unique parking solution that maximizes your parking revenue! We have partnered with some of the industry's dealing parking platforms, and automatically rotate your domains through each of them. We analyze the results to determine which parking platform brings in the most revenue for each domain in your portfolio, and then pairs them accordingly. This dynamic system helps ensure that your parked domains earn you as much money as possible.

I know one of the partnered companies is voodoo.

 

[korganian]

abchomeremodeling.com

 

[OmarVG]

anyone here doing this optimizing? is it good idea? does it even work? do you do 2 companies or 3? I heard 3 is not so good.

No, I don't need to optimize my domains on Bodis. They actually get type-in traffic every day.
For stats is way better to analyze organic traffic...

 

[GoKaizen]

The domain doesn't need to be registered at Epik. You just use the DNS and add it to your account.

@Slanted @robepik

ty

epik has parking? how does that work? I guess you need domains on their registrar?

Yes. The domain needs to be registered with Epik

 

[alcy]

Hi

You should emphasize the whole post, not just 2 lines out of context.

At Above over the years, we have seen many players strive to be the best and out perform all others.

Originally Sedo used to be the clear leader,
then DomainSponsor was the top for a while,
then RookMedia took the mantle,
Parking Crew was next being the top winner of traffic overall,
but right now Sedo has the honor again.

In between many others took good chunks.

The end result is, there is no one Parking services that is preferred over one another that is not based on clear performance results. And even if there is a winner overall, many services just perform better on different types of traffic, so we take that into account as well.

Cheers
David

there are not many people around np.. including some serious parking experts, who will agree with you that sedo is even worth a try. so I am not so sure who to believe. do you say this based on some overall stats you know of? I mean if you have the numbers, then its hard to argue with number.s

p.s. you did not mention bodis.. thoughts?

 

[frank-germany]

Above.com prioritizes their partners (ParkingCrew) over other parking companies. Their technology doesn't work as advertised anymore.

a few month ago they suddenly disabled
the forwarding of a domain

so I am left with a few hundred domains
having above.com nameservers
now no longer redirecting
not doing what I wanted them to do

above.com = big waste of time for me
not recommened at all by me

 

[frank-germany]

the personal stories of countless namepros members say otherwise. they were the bottom of the bottom

I do not see a relation between goign to PC or sedo or elsewhere via your site.. versus goign there directly.. assuming maximizer is off, can you say on which grounds you are makign claim there is possibilty that going to say sedo via your site can increase revenue therein?

are you saying you have some special relation or ccontract with sedo.. as opposed to any other companies

thansk.

sedo has a PRO level parking program
if you are not at the pro level
you may not have the CPCs
you could have

to me parking with sedo always was competative
bodis always underperformed
and parking crew
gives me headache

 

[alcy]

sedo has a PRO level parking program
if you are not at the pro level
you may not have the CPCs
you could have

to me parking with sedo always was competative
bodis always underperformed
and parking crew
gives me headache

weird.. maybe it depends on your location.. I am north america yuo are europe... I know it sounds weird to say sedo park would work better if you're in euirope.. but weirdly enough also, we often here of europeans having more success selling domains on sedo too.. vs north amerians.. I am sure you heard this before. I know its kinda weird to say.. but truth can be weird too

and yes, I do have sedo parking pro.

I am not inventing it about poor sedo performance. no matter where you look on namepros, everyone will say sedo is no longer good company to park with. and its been years since it was competitive.

 

[frank-germany]

ahahha

well you said:
to me parking with sedo always was competative

so i didn't think you meant it was bad!

competitive
but horrible

to be clear
the all are sh tt !

but sedo is in the top 3