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Any help? Domain name locked due to Pending TDRP Complaint.

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Dong Yuan

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Hello,

I have big problem i have buy domain for $1 Million USD on 8 May 2017 and transfer it to PDR Ltd. d/b/a PublicDomainRegistry.com then in 20 June 2017, My registrar sent me message inform me the Domain name was locked due to Pending TDRP Complaint, i have sent him the proof of payment show that i have paid for this domain via bank transfer to the seller, but they not yet reply to me guys any one can help me how to protect my domain from revert back to the Loosing Registrar and unlock my domain.

I am sorry i can't show the name of domain for my privacy

Please i need your help as soon.
 
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Why would the seller file a TDRP if you made an agreement to buy the domain

To be clear, Acro, domain registrants have no direct access to the TDRP. It is up to a disputing registrar to proceed with a TDRP in circumstances where (a) a losing registrar refuses to allow an authorized transfer, or (b) a gaining registrar is alleged to have permitted an unauthorized transfer.

The only way a domain registrant can initiate a TDRP is to persuade their registrar to do it on their behalf. Only registrars can file TDRP's.

The other thing about the TDRP is that it only is a procedure for determining if a transfer was technically and administratively correct. In other words:

1. Did the gaining registrar obtain authorization from the current administrative contact when the transfer was initiated?

OR

2. Did the losing registrar deny a transfer when the gaining registrar had obtained valid authorization from the current administrative contact when the transfer was initiated?

If someone's email was compromised, and that email address was used by the hacker to authorize the transfer, then the transfer is perfectly fine and valid under the TDRP.

The TDRP is hardly ever used. The reason is that it is very unusual for the EPP auth code to be issued to anyone other than the admin contact for the domain name. It is kind of a leftover policy from the time when the RRP (registry-registrar protocol) didn't have the EPP auth code mechanism.

One thing that is absolutely not going to matter in a TDRP under any circumstances is whether some person somewhere has a bank statement showing that they sent money to someone somewhere else. That has absolutely no relevance to the TDRP at all. None. Zilch. Zero. If the transfer authorization obtained by the gaining registrar matches the admin contact for the domain name, it was a valid transfer under the TDRP. Period. End of story.

But highjackings in general are one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of WHOIS privacy services. I've been able to help out a lot of people in domain theft situations, but if the domain name was under WHOIS privacy, then I have to tell them not to bother me, since there is no objective evidence they ever owned the domain name in the first place.

The other thing I categorically dislike explaining to people is that if you bought or sold a domain name, the deal went bad, and you can't tell me who you bought it from or sold it to, don't waste my time.
 
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If this is true I really want to know the domain name you bought now. That is the only way I am going to believe this story.

Actually, using the poster's name and a domainiq.com account, one can figure it out pretty quickly, since a NNN.com domain name was recently transferred to a person by that name.

The domain name had been registered to an individual for many years. However, on 9 May 2017, it was moved to a different registrar, changed to WHOIS privacy, and kept the same nameservers. Then, it is updated again to the poster's name on 20 June 2017.

So, did a person with this poster's name obtain a valuable three-digit domain name on 20 June 2017? Yes, that appears to be true.

What stands out from this story is the seller's willingness to transfer a valuable domain name of this magnitude before receiving payment, and without using escrow. I'm further going to guess that there was no sales agreement of any kind.

It would be interesting to know in what country is the bank to which the payment was sent.
 
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I told you guys something smells fishy.

Yes, but you want to avoid saying that too early, before there is a chance to draw the fish out some more.

It was bullshit from the get-go for the reasons I discussed in connection with how the TDRP works, if you read between the lines of my post on that topic (i.e. this guy wouldn't be involved in a TDRP in the first place). When a registrar brings a TDRP, if indeed there was one going on here in the first place, it is generally because there has been a communication error between registrars, and there is generally no need to escalate it to a TDRP, because the technical facts of a TDRP are pretty cut and dried. This is why they almost never happen in the first place.

But, and I get this pretty regularly, there are sometimes situations where someone needs "help with a problem" because what they are actually trying to do is to learn enough about how a particular system works in order to figure out a way to game it. Those questions are "interesting" to the extent that drawing out the inquirer can lead to entertaining results.

There were a lot of things in this guy's posts that didn't make sense. But don't spoil the party by tipping your hand early.

what would be nice is some way to ban him from ever owning domains again. stolen or not.

How would such a thing even be possible?

Such an implementation would require a way of actual personal identification between the registrant and the registrar. There's no way to do that.

I can go to the store with some cash, buy a sim card and a pre-paid debit card, and I have a phone and a debit card with no ID (the details if you want to do it right can vary by country, and you might want to use a smurf to make the purchase). Using public wifi, I get a free email account. I can now register domains, pay for them, and confirm text messages if necessary, and nobody knows who I am.

There was a proposal a while back during the last negotiations of the registrar accreditation agreement, in which the law enforcement and government factions wanted registrars to collect ID numbers like driver's licenses or passports, when a domain name is registered. Of course, registrars have no way to confirm any of that data, and it's not as if anyone is going to give registrars access to all of the ID databases on the planet in order to "confirm" them.

Even in situations where a vendor online does something like "send us a scan of your driver's license" or passport or whatever, it's not as if there aren't a zillion ways to fake a .jpg of a driver's license or passport. These are simply mechanisms to test "how far is this person willing to fake it", and some butt-protecting to the extent "we tried", but don't really serve any useful purpose of actually identifying anyone. This also leads to the problem of registrars - who can also be almost anyone - having a huge abusable and/or hackable cache of ID data.

But the upshot of the inability to truly identify a person on the internet is that you can't ban "a person" from doing anything on the internet either. There were some discussions a few years ago about developing a framework for a standardized "digital ID" for use in e-commerce applications, but the usual paranoia from the "it's the mark of the Beast!" crowd makes it difficult to actually solve the problem productively.
 
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You paid one mil dollars and you ask for help here?
 
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I am not sure if I believe the story.
If I have a million dollar transaction I would not post and ask for help here.

Something smells fishy.
 
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I told you guys something smells fishy.
 
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Too many ppl with too much free time ... imho.
"I am sorry i can't show the name of domain for my privacy" ... bla bla bla. When you need a 1 Million help, you post all details.
 
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I see this thread needing popcorn.
 
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Jesus, these are brilliant:
Yes, but you want to avoid saying that too early, before there is a chance to draw the fish out some more.
There were a lot of things in this guy's posts that didn't make sense. But don't spoil the party by tipping your hand early.


Fascinating, and something to take note of.
But, and I get this pretty regularly, there are sometimes situations where someone needs "help with a problem" because what they are actually trying to do is to learn enough about how a particular system works in order to figure out a way to game it. Those questions are "interesting" to the extent that drawing out the inquirer can lead to entertaining results.


...Do you think it's possible? Crypto or better tech?
There's no way to do that.
 
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Contact both losing and gaining registrars immediately, and then contact the seller to mitigate these issues. There is nothing you can do on your end except to contact both support bases and resolve this issue.

There is no secret way to speed up or revert this process in your favor unfortunately.

I understand with the amount of money being transferred -- there is a lot of stress on this issue and with the sale of this name, try your best to get all the information out there. I wish you the best of luck in regards to this heavy issue.
 
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He is busy riding bicycle now!!!
 
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He is busy riding bicycle now!!!
He bought a domain name at $1M and he can ride bicycle? I think he is driving a Ferrari 488 GTB now ...
 
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. . . you made sure the person you were buying from was the legitimate owner of the domain right?

This is the red flag @Dong Yuan - do you have ownership history to know for certain the domain was not stolen before it was sold to you? Do you know that the complainant is the seller you bought from?
 
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Seriously, this is beyond the help we can provide - contact this lawyer ASAP
http://www.johnberryhill.com/

If the seller stole the domain, he would have entered his info into whois, so your seller and the whois would match at that point. HOWEVER, if you did not look at the updated dates, or name server changes or whois history, that would be how you would have known you were buying a stolen domain. So if the seller you purchased from was the thief, you would not know and the real true owner may be the one filing the complaint now.
 
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Contact the lawyers mentioned earlier asap, move fast.

For USD $1M, I would expose the seller, share the name and any information to help address the issue as soon as possible.

Good luck
 
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If this is true I really want to know the domain name you bought now. That is the only way I am going to believe this story.
 
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The domain in question is certainly a prized asset. Story seems believable to me.

Lawyer up quick, there is no time to waste.
 
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So, Dong, the TDRP was "resolved" in one day?
 
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i think the seller who do that because we contact him no reply, he tell to his Loosing Registrar my domain was stolen then the registrar open TDRP Complaint

I spoke to the seller, who said the domain was not stolen. Can you please clarify the following:

1. Where are you located
2. Where is your seller located
3. Why would the seller file a TDRP if you made an agreement to buy the domain

While you are at it, can you please tell us about these domains:

1048.com
1049.com
1215.com
1539.com
1844.com
1846.com

Thanks.
 
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Maybe there needs to be an encrypted wallet of sorts for domain names requiring a key, or perhaps the registrars need to be required to bear some responsibility in securing their customers registered domains.

The current systems are really a joke.
 
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