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Just recived this scam letter:

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web pr®jects. What is your price for the domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Brian Samuelson

CEO

WHC Web Hosting Consulting & Investment LLC

I looked them up on the internet, and here they are::

Domain valuation scam targets Sedo users « That Danny!

Of course, I knew it was scam right off. :zzz: Not even a good scam letter.

Frank
 
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Got an email from Daniel Goncalves [[email protected]]

I got the email from Daniel Goncalves [[email protected]] and fell into the trap of buying a domain appraisal, so thank you for posting about him so I didn't continue my adventures with him!
 
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I got the email from Daniel Goncalves [[email protected]] and fell into the trap of buying a domain appraisal, so thank you for posting about him so I didn't continue my adventures with him!

I also get email from him. And the bad news i have been cheated. T.T
I paid for domain appraisal for $80.00++. OMG, it really waste. I paid using SWREG, can i dispute back my money?
I hate Scammer!!! F%#KK!!!:'(
 
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Got the same email from Ross Davis

[email protected]

Hello,

How much do you ask for this domain for sale?

Our company invests in domains and developed web sites. If you have other
domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Ross Davis

President

Elite Web Investing & Hosting Solutions LLC
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NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
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:!: He/They are still at it - I got this email 11 hours ago on a domain I won in a GoDaddy expired auction. I reported the email as Spam.

Email addy:

stolz (@) elitenethosting.com

He's calling himself Andrew Stolz today ...


QUOTE: "Hello,

How much do you ask for this domain for sale?

Our company invests in domains and developed web sites. If you have other
domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Andrew Stolz

Vice President

Web Investing & Hosting Solutions LLC
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NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
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[email protected] ... scam

Hello,

How much do you ask for this domain for sale?

Our company invests in domains and developed web sites. If you have other
domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Andrew Stolz

Vice President

Web Investing & Hosting Solutions LLC
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
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Then after that

Can you accept 5,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
domainexplorer.org/Archive/93851614.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.


loser needs to be smart about it ...
 
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Andrew Stolz of [email protected] also keeps emailing us with this scam.

Avoid this fraudster.
 
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I got one of these today...from "Andrew". He wasnt exactly happy to hear that I was a long-term member and ex-moderator of the biggest domain community :)
 
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Andrew Stolz of [email protected] also keeps emailing us with this scam.

Avoid this fraudster.

Yess

Then he also send me this when i said estibot or yo appraisal.

No, no, no!

Of course, we should not use free auto-generated services like
EstiBot.com - Free Domain Appraisal and Domain Productivity Tools or SwiftAppraisal.com | Free Domain Name Appraisals.

Almost everyone knows that free auto-generated appraisals from NameBoy.com
or Estibot.com or SwiftAppraisal.com are jokes. Serious investors never take
into account free auto-generated appraisals. This site appraises even bogus
names at $50,000-$60,000. So all these companies mentionet above are NOT
acceptable.
I've found not all the appraisals are accurate. So I accept real manual appraisals from trusted sources only.

I don't trust $14-$20 services. Nobody will do a research for $14. We need a real manual service.

I researched several companies and here are the results:

In the beginning I wanted to engage AccurateDomains.com as appraiser but looks like this company has very bad reputation.

I also considered Afternic Domain Name Search: Buy, Sell, Resell, Park & Purchase Domain Names for Sale, but now it's clear their service is not reliable enough.
Just read this:
iGoldrush Domain Brokers Resources
"Capsule Review: After lots of complaints, Afternic is no longer a recommended service. We will re-review the service in the near future."

Another complaint
Lawsuit alleges dealings in stolen domain name | Pinsent Masons LLP


I was told about manual research service from ■ DomainMart - Domain Name Consulting (Valuation, Appraisal, Portfolio Management, Investment, Leasing, Selecting TLDs), Corporate Training. It costs - $200/hour.

Many experienced sellers suggested us Domain Services as a trustworth manual service. They charge per name not per hour. We've read only positive comments about them. And I have my own positive experience with this company and their support.
 
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I posted about another scammer, and in reading through this thread I don't see anyone talking about reporting this one. Please consider reporting them to their hosting company and domain registrar. Sometimes that won't work, but in most cases when you send the email and headers and can refer to great threads like this one, it gives them enough information to close the hosting account, and more importantly, allows the registrar to suspend the domain. Some registrarss will, some won't, but the more complaints they get, the more likely they are to do something.

The appraisal scam is a hard one to "prove", unless you can tie the person back to the appraisal site with WHOIS info, affiliate code, or something else. But these emails are clearly UCE or unsolicited commercial email and complaints should be taken seriously. The Russian IP address or even a proxy server IP should help your case. :)
 
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Hi....I'm new to domaining by about 3 days and this is what he sent me.... so, for newbies like me, thanks for giving us all a heads up....
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From : Andrew Stolz of [email protected]


I have a 35,000 USD budget for 5-8 domain names. Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? Without a valuation certificate we cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, my accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates :). On the other side, it's very important for me in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage a valuation company with a REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my accountant trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:


If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
 
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Hi....I'm new to domaining by about 3 days and this is what he sent me.... so, for newbies like me, thanks for giving us all a heads up....

No problem man ... i am glad you where saved and i hope more people will be spared too.
 
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ahhh the exact same email message & sender i got just now. im glad google and domain forums like namepros exist. lol.
 
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This guy is a complete scumbag c**t, love to smash him, heres my little back and forth with him, seems he wont get lured into getting scammed himself:

Hello,
>
> How much do you ask for this domain for sale?
>
> Our company invests in domains and developed web sites. If you have other
> domains for sale feel free to send your list.
>
> Looking forward to do business with you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Stolz
>
> Vice President

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Hi Andrew, thanks for the email.

Im not overly sure at present. I have many domains which are available. However as I dont have a selling price in mind, is suggest we got them appraised and went from there?

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I have a 35,000 USD budget for 5-8 domain names. Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? Without a valuation certificate we cannot be sure in the sale price. Moreover, my accountant and tax services always ask for valaution certificates :). On the other side, it's very important for me in terms of reselling too. Of course, we must engage a valuation company with a REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my accountant trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies. Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:


If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations. Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name? Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

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Ok great. Sounds good. I checked out the site and the appriasal companies look good.

I have 8+ Domains I think you will be interested in, as they are all based around forex and from 4-5 letters each, alike to the alpfx one you orginally contacted me about. Id suggest we get each of these appraised.

8 domains for 5k a peice = 40k, and as a bulk buy I could give you the 5k discount to bring it to 35k.

Its going to cost me around 640 or so to get them all appriased properly.

Which im happy to do, considering the size of the sale, however this is quite an outlay for me at present, so id suggest the only fair way to go about this is for you to pay 50% of the appraisals, the sum of which I will take off the total sale cost of all domains. As long as you are definetely interested in ALPFX, then we will both get our 50% back anyway.

As soon as you transfer me $320 I will go ahead and get these appraised and we can get moving onwards with the sale, id like to close this no later than the end of this week, so if that suits your DD on the domains after appriasal then great.

Look forward to working with you.

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No transfers upfront.

There will be no deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple
rule has saved me a lot of money and time. So I hope you will change your
position. Let's do business the right way.

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Sure a trusted source is fine by me, but as i mentioned, I only have enough spare at present to run to around half the cost of all appriasals. I guess I could find 75% of it if thats ok with you, but thats literally my maximum available right now. Hence why I need the transfer from you before I can get the domains appraised.

Lets get this moving and do business the right way.

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There will be no deal without appraisal from a trusted source. This simple
rule has saved me a lot of money and time. So I hope you will change your
position. Let's do business the right way.

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Rules are there to be broken imo, basically you either want the domain/s or you dont. Ill be honest this simple rule (getting a downpayment of sorts) has saved me alot of money and time aswell, simply put if you cant fork out for 25% of the appraisals, then your right there will be no deal. If your a true business man then you will see it makes sense, Im willing to pay 75% so around $450 you simply need to pay around $150 and we can move ahead.

The sooner we can get this done the better, to save us both some time. Lets do business the right way and close this deal.

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He gave up after that one, which was a shame because I was just going to get very abusive in the next one.
 
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everyone that gets one report it here, bad move using godaddy if the email is really coming from that domain as I think if enough people report it they will lock it, make sure you copy the full email with header, I don't have one personally to view the header.

https://supportcenter.godaddy.com/Abuse/SpamReport.aspx?ci=9077
 
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SpareDomains,
i used sedo not godaddy...just thought i'd let u know
 
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SpareDomains,
i used sedo not godaddy...just thought i'd let u know

point being the domain in question is elitenethosting.com and is registered at godaddy so if the emails are truly from that domain that is only 2 months old reporting it to godaddy can get it shut down for fraud spamming, just make sure you send them the full email including header so they can see if it is truly coming from that domain, also using their private whois for a fraud appraisal service, I'm sure he will just register another domain and start again but if everyone that receives this email reports it with the full header attached then maybe they might look into his whole account as well.

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just paste something like this into the abuse form...

Received this email which is apparently a scam that shows an intent to buy a domain from you and then they say you have to get an appraisal done at a certain company which they run. So they have no intention to ever buy a domain from you they just wanna make money off of appraisals. The domain in question is elitenethosting.com and reports of others can be found here...

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/659552-stolz-elitenethosting-com-scam.html

also using your private whois on it to conceal their fraudulent activity. Thanks, (your name here)

followed by the full email with header attached
 
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point being the domain in question is elitenethosting.com and is registered at godaddy so if the emails are truly from that domain that is only 2 months old reporting it to godaddy can get it shut down for fraud spamming, just make sure you send them the full email including header so they can see if it is truly coming from that domain, also using their private whois for a fraud appraisal service, I'm sure he will just register another domain and start again but if everyone that receives this email reports it with the full header attached then maybe they might look into his whole account as well.


good point ... but he will just change the domain name so ... might be better off by not reporting it.
 
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good point ... but he will just change the domain name so ... might be better off by not reporting it.

considering it would take 30 seconds to paste the email in with headers I disagree, and godaddy is tough on this stuff so if enough people reported it they might look well past the 1 domain and analyze the whole account and remove the private whois if being used for fraud, let me get one today and I'll be on the phone in 1 minute with my executive account rep breaking it down for him to review, I'm not a violent person but anyplace, anytime I would enjoy beating someone down who's only goal is to scam a newbie.
 
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considering it would take 30 seconds to paste the email in with headers I disagree, and godaddy is tough on this stuff so if enough people reported it they might look well past the 1 domain and analyze the whole account and remove the private whois if being used for fraud, let me get one today and I'll be on the phone in 1 minute with my executive account rep breaking it down for him to review, I'm not a violent person but anyplace, anytime I would enjoy beating someone down who's only goal is to scam a newbie.

True ... but cant he like go to a new register ... there are so many.
... i sent an email to godaddy with domain and link of this thread.
 
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