Another appraisal scam

[KPR]

Well this is my first from this lot but due to alerts here and knowing the name wasnt worth what i sent back to them ($5000 :p ) then i didnt fall for it.

Domain in question Promethazine.info

Heres what i got sent.

From Innovation Group <[email protected]>

Hello,

I saw your domain was listed for sale. Are you still interested in selling?.

Please email me your desired price. Don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

By the way, did you receive offers from other buyers?

Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

Best regards,

Stephen Shapiro, Ph.D.
Owner
Innovation Group

So i sent back price of $5000 as i knew right away SCAM.

Heres what they sent the usual guff.


5,000 USD. Ok.

Do you sell a developed site or domain only? I prefer domain names.

Do you have an independent valuation from industry experts (appraisal)? I
need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. I consider
your name as an investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name later
and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the
future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value
of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal
company. Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies
in a forum

http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/42065.htm

Juck check this posting.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply






:td:

 

[spy69]

Hehehe looks like they changed their email. Idiots still using the same lame outline though.

 

[namethreads.com]

Scam from khenson

I received an e-mail from [email protected] that turned out to be a scam too.

From another forum, I see that he has previously used another e-mail address:
TST Solutions <[email protected]>

See my e-mail thread below:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Henson <[email protected]>
Date: Oct 28, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: primetimetv.biz (sent 10/27/05)
To: martin@xxxxxxx

I need to know the lowest price you can accept.

What is your price range: $15,000 or $20,000 or even higher?

Please send it to me via email as soon as possible.

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Kellerman
To: Karl J Henson <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:20:31 +0800
Subject: Re: primetimetv.biz (sent 10/27/05)

Karl,

Thanks for your interest.

At the moment, I am open to offers on this domain. As you may realise, Eloqua, one of the most successful domain speculators in the world holds the .com of this domain name. With increasing implementation of TV over broadband, I believe this domain could be pretty big.

Martin

On 10/27/05, Karl J Henson <[email protected]> wrote:


Hello,

I'm interested in your domain name listed for sale.

Can you drop me your desired price?

If I can afford it I'll reply.

By the way, did you receive offers from other buyers?

I run a software development company. Selling & buying names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

Please keep our correspondence confidential.

Best regards,

Karl Henson,

President

Opera Technologies

 

[ypn]

same ol' crap.

Hello,

I saw your domain was listed for sale. Are you still interested in selling?.

Please email me your desired price. Don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

By the way, did you receive offers from other buyers?

I run a software development company. We develop ERP systems and databases in Delphi and MS SQL for several local companies. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

Best regards,

Stephen Shapiro, Ph.D.
President
Opera Technologies

============================================================================


21,600 USD. Ok.


Do you sell a developed site or domain only? I prefer domain names.

Do you have an independent valuation from industry experts (appraisal)? I need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. I consider your name as an investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So appraisal from each and every site is not acceptable.To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/42065.htm
Juck check this posting.
If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.

After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply

appraisal scam
opera technologies

 

[maximum]

Hello,
I saw your domain was listed for sale. Are you still interested in selling?.
Please email me your desired price. Don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.
By the way, did you receive offers from other buyers?
Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.
Best regards,

xxxxxxx, Ph.D.
Owner
xxxxxxx
--------------------------------------------------------
$xxxxx USD. Ok.
Do you sell a developed site or domain only? I prefer domain names.
Do you have an independent valuation from industry experts (appraisal)? I
need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. I consider
your name as an investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name later
and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the
future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value
of your domain.
Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal
company. Please note that I don't trust free or cheap appraisals.
To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies
in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/42065.htm
Juck check this posting.
After I verify an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.
How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or
wire?
Hope we can come to an agreement fast.
Looking forward to your reply

:tri: lol...I got the exact same wording sent to me, for domain that is only listed on GD. Maybe should have used protected-whois All they did was change the names
Lets all say it together...."Do we just look stupid to you?" :p Sad thing is, how many folks with really valuable names go for this...scary thought :td:

 

[Didoz]

lol :p yeh i received a scam email too long time ago.. i said $40 for the domain,, he replied $40,000 ? Ok no problem :P hahahahahha
stupid people, they don't have anything to do it

 

[Momo]

Wow, I wonder how many they've emailed already and tried to scam! Hopefully no one will be stupid enough to fall for their stupid scam.

 

[Ben42]

Adding the Ph.D. title was sweet.

Domainers then say to themselves:

This guy is smart...no wonder he wants to buy my domain....cuz, Darn it, I'm smart too! I'll do anything you say Dr. Shapiro!!!

 

[worldstar]

I received an e-mail from [email protected] that turned out to be a scam too.

From another forum, I see that he has previously used another e-mail address:
TST Solutions <[email protected]>

See my e-mail thread below:------
Best regards,

Karl Henson,

President

Opera Technologies

I just recieved almost the same email from Karl Henson! Now I know how to deal with it!

 

[fonzie_007]

Had two emails amounting to the same thing. Had different names, but both from emails with bonbon.net.

Morons...

Here is one of the emails:
-----------
Hello,

Are you still interested in selling your domain name? I saw it listed for sale.

Did you get offers from other people?

I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

Best regards,
Neil Stichbury, Ph.D.
President
Back Office Net Solutions

 

[G_C]

Just got one myself:

B O N Solutions
<[email protected]> to me
More options 15:08 (6 hours ago)

Hello,

Are you still interested in selling your domain name? I saw it listed for sale.

Did you get offers from other people?

I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

Best regards,
Peter Stichbury, Ph.D.
President
Back Office Net Solutions


My reply:

George Chernikov
to B
More options 21:16 (0 minutes ago)
Hi,

Appraisal scam attempt failed. Abort, Retry, Fail?

That was followed by copy & pastes of three emails that he has sent to other people.

Couldn't resist.

 

[deerfern]

What do they get out of it? Sorry I'm a little lost (newbie talking here)

No one would transfer the name until funds were recieved, so what are they accomplishing?

EDIT: Oh, DUHHH .... they get you to pay for the appraisal .....

I think I just passed Newbie 101-A class! (the A is for Appraisal)

 

[fonzie_007]

What do they get out of it? Sorry I'm a little lost (newbie talking here)

No one would transfer the name until funds were recieved, so what are they accomplishing?

I am assuming the guy is going to charge you for the appraisal, which is where he is making the money. He is not looking to take your domain from you so much as he is trying to get you to pay for an appraisal (from him or his scam business partner). I would further assume if he was interested in your domain name, the appraisal would be a low-ball amount. His hopes would be to get your domain for lower than market value.

 

[deerfern]

Thanks Fonzie ! Actually more info than I had thought of !

Carol

 

[fonzie_007]

Thanks Fonzie ! Actually more info than I had thought of !

Carol

No problem. There is plenty to learn here. I have only been here for about a month and have learned tons already.

 

[KPR]

The scam is they ask for you to get an appraisel on the name. The thing is they point you to where to get appraisel then charge you money to get it done then dont want your name.

 

[fonzie_007]

Just got another one of these email scams from:

Mark Fasciano Ph.D.
President
Back Office Software Engineering

-----
EDIT: It is fun toying with this guy... He actually sent me back an email that wasn't his standard scam reply... Check out the correspondence...

-----------
My last reply:
I'm only interested in selling if the price is right. Like I said, any reasonable offer will be considered.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Mark Fasciano [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sat 12/17/2005 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)


I must hear your price first. Looks like you are not interested in selling.

----- Original Message -----
To: "Mark Fasciano" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)



> I would consider a substantial offer. Make an offer and I will consider
it.
>

> _____
>
> From: Mark Fasciano [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sat 12/17/2005 2:17 AM
> Subject: Re: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)
>
>
> I need to know the lowest price you can accept.
>
> What is your price range: $50,000 or $100,000?
>
> Please send it to me via email as soon as possible.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mailto:>
> To: 'Mark Fasciano' <mailto:[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 3:28 AM
> Subject: RE: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)
>
> Yes, but please make an offer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Fasciano [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)
>
> Can you go lower?

> ----- Original Message -----
>
> To: "Mark Fasciano" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 1:40 AM
> Subject: RE: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)
>
> > $1,000,000 and the domain is yours.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Mark Fasciano [mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> ]
> > Sent: Fri 12/16/2005 4:37 PM
> > Subject: votefreedom.org (sent 12/16/05)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Are you still interested in selling your domain name? I saw it listed
for
> > sale.
> >
> > Did you get offers from other people?
> >
> > I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer.
> Just
> > email the desired price.
> >
> > I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases
> in
> > Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my
> main
> > business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mark Fasciano Ph.D.
> > President
> > Back Office Software Engineering

 

[godinu]

I just got the same scam emails. This time the name is Frank Moss, PhD, and still at bonbon.net. I'm so glad I decided to do some research, as the whole thing sounded fishy. This is the first time i've had any interest in my domains either. Oh well.
How do you stop someone like this? what a trip.

 

[Fkrule]

i aint got one of these e-mails yet and hopefully wont revicve and how dumb are these people

 

[Ammudamus]

Warnings

Good info.

 

[maximum]

i aint got one of these e-mails yet and hopefully wont revicve and how dumb are these people

Actually, that question is exactly why domainers have to warn each other. Sadly, these scammers are not as dumb as they seem. The sad truth is that I'm pretty sure many have followen for their dirty tricks. If that wasn't true, we wouldn't be seeing them so often. All it takes is one very good domain ill-gotten, out of hundreds or thousands of emails sent out, to make it worth it for these criminals :td:

I need to start replying to them with true end-buyer high asking-prices and end it with :p :

--------------------------------
Respectfully,
Corey Wilson, ACA, Ph.D.
Pres/CEO - CW Internet Investments Corp.
Founding Member - Domain Name Owners Association

--------------------------------

Wonder if same nut will try me again then? :hehe:

 

[johnny6]

Some moron keeps PMing me about domains I'm selling - standard dumb appraisal scam - he's sent me like 3 of them. You'd think scammers might keep track of who they send this crap to.

from "kevin vane" - email [email protected]
Hi,

I saw you were selling the domain forbloggers.com and was wondering if you still
have it forsale? If so, what are you asking for it?

Do you have an independent valuation from industry experts [appraisal]? The
reason I ask it because I buy, wait a little while and resale it. If I am to
resale it, I would need to be able to make a profit and an appraisal helps me
make that decision.

I've looked around and found that www.appraisalpros.info is a very modest
appraisal service and we both can make a good deal and not get screwed by
underpricing or overpricing it.

If we agree on a price, how do you accept payments? Paypal.com?

Thanks and have a great day,
Kevin

 

[gettinpaid]

What better way to start off the new year then by more appraisal scammers:

Hello,

I'm contacting you regarding your domain name for sale.

Did you get offers from other people?

I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

I wish you and your family Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Best regards,
Michael Kayat Ph.D.
President
Back End Software Engineering

....at least they keep changing the name......

 

[Sergio965]

Ha, I just got it:

Hello,

I'm contacting you regarding your domain name for sale.

Did you get offers from other people?

I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer. Just email the desired price.

I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

I wish you and your family Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Best regards,
Michael Kayat Ph.D.
President
Back End Software Engineering

Lol...

 

[weblord]

same principle as the lotto scam, they say you won a lot of money, and try to get in touch with you but before you can see the money you need to pay for the delivery/shipping/handling (all sorts of handling the money to you - even escrow services) later you'll learn that there is no money for you at all, but they got you already if you pay for their services of delivering the money to you.

best way to deal: ignore, don't give them any information.