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I don't know what's wrong. I cannot explain at this moment, but clearly something isn't right. All 4L .org Chips are gone. money investing in so many directions. which seems to be end soon and the market will collapse.Before we were all investing in 4L .com Premium, Non-premium, Chips etc Doesn't matter but now we are investing in 4L .com, .net, .org, Chips, gTLDS. one thing is clear when money investing in so many directions on the same 4L domain criteria.First thing will happen liquidity of these domains. Which was that we can sell these domains anytime anywhere to anyone immediately but now when the buyer has an option in .org and.net too.the sale out at huge profit will be little difficult.There are very rare chances of the liquidity will remain for 4L domains.

What is your opinion.?
 
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.We don't need end users, We need more domainers.Who buy from us and sell it to more new domainers.
that sounds like a pyramid scam.
 
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which is why i only invest in .com's and only buy/reg the best patterns, not everything across the board.. but still i don't see any end in sight, in fact it has just geared up, guys..
this can take many years before there are any signs of collapse, lots of time and opportunities to make some nice money along the way
 
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I don't know what's wrong. I cannot explain at this moment, but clearly something isn't right. All 4L .org Chips are gone. money investing in so many directions. which seems to be end soon and the market will collapse.Before we were all investing in 4L .com Premium, Non-premium, Chips etc Doesn't matter but now we are investing in 4L .com, .net, .org, Chips, gTLDS. one thing is clear when money investing in so many directions on the same 4L domain criteria.First thing will happen liquidity of these domains. Which was that we can sell these domains anytime anywhere to anyone immediately but now when the buyer has an option in .org and.net too.the sale out at huge profit will be little difficult.There are very rare chances of the liquidity will remain for 4L domains.

What is your opinion.?

I told already with .com that there is not enough end-user demand for them.
Noone belives me, and says its nice to flip them between each other. Value only goes up.

Now, I can undersand maybe .com, there you maye have some % selling it.
But .net, .org, etc.. are already total madness. Nooone outside the system will buy them.

China bubbles can last for long time, so will see where it ends. But it will end..

It will be all nice, until the money goes out of the system. Some belive it will never go out, but thats a little silly

You two are kidding right??? How do you come up with "money investing in so many directions. which seems to be end soon"??? There is a ton of money pouring into 4L .com, .net, .org. I hand registered two LLLL.orgs three days ago and sold each for $200.

If the history of the "domain" can tell us anything I can almost guarantee you there will not be a crash, maybe a correction but not a crash. These are rare/limited commodities and now the doors are open to China. 4L.coms were stagnant for a number of years but have never ever gone down.

The only thing I agree with that was written above is end-user demand. I don't think there will be or is a lot of end user demand. However, it isn't necessary when you have a limited number of domains and plenty of investors lining up. The Chinese have removed some money from their corrupt stock market and 4Ls act the same way as a stock, limited number of shares and prices fluctuate based on demand which is based on facts/earnings/press releases etc. Except there hasn't been any bad news or negative data about 4Ls.

I don't think there is a bubble at all, and it's global not just China. "It will be all nice, until the money goes out of the system", why would this happen?? Sure some goes in some goes out and more going in may slow down but what do you base this on? Why would it be silly to think that more $ would flow out of the market now or at any point since we've only seen growth. I agree the expansion has been rapid but the demand is there too.

Basically the markets have been opened up to an additional 1.4 Billion people, knowledge/interest of the domain market is growing at an alarming rate Will it end? Sure at some point but we may be at $10k 4L.coms by then and back to slow growth of a few % a year.....
 
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If anything, the events in the last few weeks defies everything we thought knew about domaining.
So we cannot apply conventional domaining knowledge on the Chinese dragon.
It would be wrong to write off something just because of a lack of understanding.
This could be a bubble or a tectonic plate shift.
I'll just grab my share and enjoy the ride.
 
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I agree.
I was just thinking about this today!!! I know there are 4L .com chips chinese buy from domainers etc.. but has anyone here given consideration that the 5L cchips we reg.. com or org or net.. may never do anything other than be flipped on nqamepros or auctions, between domain flippers... what do you think? so far on namepros tha's all thats been happening so far.. flips of 5L chips between domainers
There are not enough end users for all the domains which domainers have. if all companies in the world buy domains from domainers even then there will be hundred and thousands of domains will be remaining, The concept of buying domains isn't just to sell to an end user but to trade it like an asset like any other stock market.We don't need end users, We need more domainers.Who buy from us and sell it to more new domainers.
 
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If anything, the events in the last few weeks defies everything we thought knew about domaining.
So we cannot apply conventional domaining knowledge on the Chinese dragon.
It would be wrong to write off something just because of a lack of understanding.
This could be a bubble or a tectonic plate shift.
I'll just grab my share and enjoy the ride.

We can't choose or obstruct to know who or what to every domain sale.

Days ago we saw llll.org chips sitting unregistered, today we see namepros with want ads for them, numerous auctions with bids, and a blanket of backorders on them.

In 1995 not many people thought you could buy a domain for $100, and achieve mid 7 figures for it in 2015.
 
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You guys are adding up all the money required for all the buyouts, but you ignore the trickle down effect.
When money circulates, the total capital required is less.
People sell LL, buy LLL, sell those, buy LLLL, sell .com, buy .net, .org, .co etc. Most don't cash out yet.
So all that needed was just tens of millions of dollars, not even hundreds to get things heated up.
Chinese came up with ingenious way of making the whole segments commodities, inventing what is premium, what is not and everyone followed the lead. They proved that partial buyouts are fine. West believed for example that all 450K for LLLL has to be bought and held, Chinese came up with an idea how to exclude 2/3 of it and still have floors established. Once they were established, the remaining 2/3 started disappearing as well.
The same with digits. Just excluding 0 and 4 did the trick and suddenly 6N is not 1 mil, but only 1/4 of that and once that is gone and floor established, then 0 and 4 goes too.
 
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...when something raises in value exponentially while no fundamentals change, it can lose its steam and fall back as fast as it went up at any time. no one should be surprised at that more than one was by the prior sudden raise. crowd behavior and bubble evolution are cool things to watch anyway... chinese should launch options at some point so that people could trade both ways, like shorting 5 x 4L.coms @ $3,000... thatd be a lot of fun too..
 
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I told already with .com that there is not enough end-user demand for them.
Noone belives me, and says its nice to flip them between each other. Value only goes up.

Now, I can undersand maybe .com, there you maye have some % selling it.
But .net, .org, etc.. are already total madness. Nooone outside the system will buy them.

China bubbles can last for long time, so will see where it ends. But it will end..

It will be all nice, until the money goes out of the system. Some belive it will never go out, but thats a little silly
 
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but that is precisely why I Asked the question. I did not ask or question if 5l are beinbg regged. I already know they are.

I was having conversation whether people who do so are stupid and followign herd trends and mentalitis. or whether they know things you and I do not.

or in short, just cause people are regging stuff does not make it valuable.

cheers
More valuable would simply be equated to what they paid for it, and what they could sell it for today...

You can put that formula for 4L.com as 10 days ago you could buy them for 1K and sell them for $3K.

Unless you have been around the Chinese buying, or culture you do not understand how they can literally move mountains with buying power.

They can take cities where you have 100 year old houses, and create a price ceiling of over $1M
for an average home. Homes which can be had in Detroit for $40,000 cost $1M in Sydney, and Vancouver as Chinese like the climate, and political system.

Do you want to know what the profession on the majority of $3M plus houses being sold in those jurisdictions is today housewife, student, or business person.
 
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@Markith Appreciate your opinion.

If anything, the events in the last few weeks defies everything we thought knew about domaining.
So we cannot apply conventional domaining knowledge on the Chinese dragon.
Pmax everything is a best guess and no one can predict the future.we are here to share our knowledge and opinion. the most important thing why everyone is just thinking about the china. there are total 195 countries in the world who also use internet and register domains for their businesses everyday.
 
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@Markith Appreciate your opinion.


Pmax everything is a best guess and no one can predict the future.we are here to share our knowledge and opinion. the most important thing why everyone is just thinking about the china. there are total 195 countries in the world who also use internet and register domains for their businesses everyday.

well put sir!
that's what I like about domaining. there will always be something else.. some new trend.. a new train if we missed the last one etc..

it's always been like this. and domaining will be no more if ever it stops being so.
 
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Yeah, well in 99% of cases I am not investing into something with little end user potential for the foreseeable future...
 
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Here is why I think its madness.http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm. 4 N's.com going down to 10-20 k vs 5N's,6N,7N's going through the roof. CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY?? This never makes sense when more premium domains are falling and handreg crap going up.
 
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If a .org has 2 repeating letters and 1 V and 1 other letter,then is it a premium chinese or not?

any v kills it for CP. Even if it is part of "tv", "vr" etc.
For western market, I actually love V... It has so many great uses in any position within the mix for .com
For .org - not sure.
 
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Matrix, he must have been an end user where he needed English meaning, not pinyin.
V -> Venture, Video, Virtual, Vision etc.
Just those are sufficient to make a good acronym very often.
 
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As you are questioning it the 5L.com chips are being registered by the Chinese, and Western investors alike by the second.

A feat most never thoight would happen in a 5L.com chip buyout, is weeks away.

Probably the single biggest play based on percentage per dollar at reg fee that can be achieved today.

Or you can take your luck at a 4L.com at $3K each if you can get one

5L.com is a good play for sure, but the best play according to the math is 7N.com. Just over a Million Premium 7N.com left down from a total population 2,097,000. Over one million less 7N.com premiums exist vs 5L.com CHIPS. At the current 7N.com burn rate (which I track daily) they will sellout in weeks. I think there is money to be made in both 5L.com and 7N.com but 7n.com premiums are much scarcer.
 
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We are discussing .com .net even .org now. What about Chips 4L .Biz . i have seen many are registered in last few days.

.com .net .org is fine.. you know why? they were designated to be in the market from the first day. That's why we kept seeing them on Chaomi website even including .cc
However i wouldn't be very sure about .co and .biz this is mostly considered by western domainers as a next buyout. But if Chinese don't buy , buyout wouldn't happen as we have seen on LLLL.net and LLLL.org %80 bought by Chinese.
 
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There are many points now where supply is greater than demand but for a specific domain category (9N.com, 7L.com etc.). I won't be jumping to buy any 7L.coms anytime soon, too much risk of holding the bag and selling for less than reg fee or $0.


However for 4Ls in the .Com, .Net, .Org (which have all been around since the dawn of the internet) I see their value only increasing even if it slows a lot. Some premium LLLL.coms are selling for what you could've bought a LLL.com 8 years ago. Pretty crazy stuff. Now we just need more domain investors from India and Japan ;)
 
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I don't know what's wrong. I cannot explain at this moment, but clearly something isn't right. All 4L .org Chips are gone. money investing in so many directions. which seems to be end soon and the market will collapse.Before we were all investing in 4L .com Premium, Non-premium, Chips etc Doesn't matter but now we are investing in 4L .com, .net, .org, Chips, gTLDS. one thing is clear when money investing in so many directions on the same 4L domain criteria.First thing will happen liquidity of these domains. Which was that we can sell these domains anytime anywhere to anyone immediately but now when the buyer has an option in .org and.net too.the sale out at huge profit will be little difficult.There are very rare chances of the liquidity will remain for 4L domains.

What is your opinion.?
You must read this: https://namecorp.com/china-and-domain-names-its-all-about-data-now/#.VkzfjfkveM8
 
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tnx

there is a lot of articiles out there. covering cons and pros. postive and negative of this.

for some of those articles, it may be people directly involved in benefiting from chips, that may be writing/bidding on auctions for chips. it's all within the realm of possible at this point. of course no one knows who such people may be definitely.

either way, there are no definite answers for chips. 4L are rare, they'll retain value. 5L who knows.. and even less so who knows about 6L 7L etc.. at some point it becomes too mucch and the most importnt thing is lost.. rarity.
 
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IMHO, the best long-term investments include (all .com), 1L-4L, 1N-5N, pronounceable brandable 1L-5L, and CHIP with memorable and distinct patterns.

The rest may just be noise.
 
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do the chinese actually want to buy these domains from others or are they just interested in regging fresh domains? for all the tens of thousands of domains being bought there is never going to be enough buyers for them...

Chinese do not think, nor live on NA standards.

They could go to sleep at night with $100 in their bank account, and it be worth $90 the next day because their government devalued their currency.

They are unable to travel as freely to other countries, or move money around with the freedom you enjoy.

They are searching out different weighted investment vehicles, and for such above reasons with the help of domain houses they choose such online investments as a hedge against some negative economic aspects they may face.

Look at 2L, and N .com, you have corporate buyers doing a headshake, the ones who would never sell, well they are selling now.

Then it is just basic food chain basics rich, middle, lower income who have their price points along 2,3,4,5 N/L .com

I don't understand it, but I understand why, it is far from concluding as demand still continues to outpace supply. If it didn't you would see prices going sudeways, which they aren't.
 
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CPs - none
QuadPrems (minus CPs) 4400 out of 54960 or 8%. Couple thousands disappeared in 2-3 days.
Total: 140K out of 457K or 30%.
 
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