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.AG Registry is taking 7 years old .ag domain away from me, holds many other .ag domains hostages.

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  1. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    .AG Registry is taking 7 years old domain away from me, holds many other .ag domains hostages. .AG domain investors/web developers beware!

    I registered b.ag on November 9, 2010. When I tried to renew it in the beginning of past November while the domain was still active, .AG Registry, Nic.ag, didn’t let me do so. It appeared that Nic.ag silently imposed a lock on b.ag preventing it from being renewed even before I tried to renew it.

    So I contacted Hexonet, the current registrar of b.ag, and asked for help. They confirmed that the lock was made at registry side. They tried to contact Nic.ag regarding this issue but haven’t got response from Nic.ag. Hexonet legal department advised me to contact Nic.ag directly which I did.

    I was emailing at all known Nic.ag addresses ([email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]) almost each day for few weeks and didn’t receive any response from them. After few weeks emails sent to Nic.ag started getting back undelivered. Now emailing to Nic.ag works again, but they still didn’t provide me with a single response! I also opened 45 tickets at mydomains.nic.ag at all their departments regarding this issue but got no response at all.

    Finally, after more than a month of numerous attempts to get in touch with Nic.ag, yesterday, December 14, Hexonet forwarded to me Nic.ag response, as follows:

    “The problem stems from two violations of our policies, which have been in existence for much more than 10 years. Unfortunately, there was an error that caused some of these names to be made available technically, but the registration was still invalid. We caught it too late to delete it in the Add Grace period of 5 days after registration, and so we decided then to allow persons to go ahead and develop legitimate websites for their personal businesses. Even so, we monitored these closely to ensure that the names were not sold or were registered simply for speculation and not in good faith.

    http://www.nic.ag/reserved-names-policy.htm <http://www.nic.ag/reserved-names-policy.htm>

    Now, we see that this domain name, which you do not "own", has NOT been developed for a legitimate business, and is instead listed on SEDO as for sale. We cannot continue to allow these violations to continue, and so we will not allowed further renewals of this and other domains like this that continue to violate of stated policies and rules. The domain name will be allowed to expire its current term and will no longer be allowed to be re-registered and will return to the pool of names that are blocked and/or restricted by the Registry.”


    Below is what I think of all this mess:

    1. Indeed, Nic.ag policy says: “Minimum length of a domain name is 1 character, not including extensions. However, all 1 character domain names are reserved by the Registry.” Also b.ag, along with many other .ag domains, is indeed in Registry reserved/restricted list

    Before I registered b.ag of course I was unaware of this, as I saw other single character .ag domains being dropped and re-registered by different persons all the time. Needless to say that when I discovered b.ag being available and registered it, I had no idea of any reserved/restricted .ag names. OK, one can say it was my fault that I didn’t read all their policies before registering it. But who does? The domain is available for registration – I take it.

    2. Nic.ag, in contrary with their own polices, allowed me to own b.ag for 7 (SEVEN!) years, enjoying my annual renewal payments (around $80 annually) but suddenly woke up and took it away. Moreover, Nic.ag says they “closely monitored” it during all these 7 years, knowing that the domain name is under violation of their policies, but did nothing. If Nic.ag itself doesn’t care about their own policies, who should (rhetoric)?

    3. Now Nic.ag says that listing b.ag for sale at Sedo is in violation of their policies, and they “cannot continue to allow these violations to continue", so "we will not allowed further renewals of this and other domains like this that continue to violate of stated policies and rules.

    So, Nic.ag considers selling .ag domains names illegitimate activity and violation of their policies.

    B.ag was listed for sale for FEW YEARS, and Nic.ag, while “closely monitoring” it and enjoying my payments, quietly held the domain hostage of their misguided policy. BTW, Nic.ag policy says the following:

    “11. Domain names may be re-sold.”

    What is this?

    4. Nic.ag says: “we monitored these closely to ensure that the names were not sold or were registered simply for speculation and not in good faith.”

    According to Namebio, many .ag domains were sold in the past, including some reserved/restricted domains as well. Again, Nic.ag is in violation of their own policies, as they did and do allow registration and selling of restricted domain names.

    But most concerning thing is they claim selling .ag domains is in violation of their policies. As such, nothing prohibits them from monitoring public .ag sales and then suspending those sold for decent amounts. How should feel the buyer of t.ag that he bought in 2011 for $60,000 on Sedo!

    5. Amazingly, Nic.ag allowed many other reserved/restricted names be registered and STILL allows doing so, thus holding more and more domains hostages. One can easily verify this by running whois scan of the names presented in reserved/restricted domain list. Some reserved/restricted domains were registered even very recently this year.

    6. Few days ago Nic.ag also suspended i.ag which was registered in 2004!

    7. Despite Nic.ag says that “we decided then to allow persons to go ahead and develop legitimate websites for their personal businesses” on registered domains from reserved/restricted list, all those domains are still in violation of Nic.ag policies and may be silently taken back anytime at Nic.ag discretion. Nic.ag policy clearly says:

    “All domain names registered that may be on one of the lists on this page are considered to be in violation of these Regulations.

    If a domain name that violates this policy is later found to have been registered, then the registration may be found to be invalid, and the domain name may either be deleted or transferred to the Registry.”


    Some of reserved/restricted domains were registered for much longer than b.ag. Some of them were registered by end users. For example, ms.ag is registered by Morgan Stanley… are they aware that Nic.ag may take it back anytime if they want lol.

    8. .AG domain investors, beware! Think twice before you register/dropcatch/buy .ag domains, as your investment is at risk! If you got valuable .ag domain and list it for sale, Nic.ag may allow you to own it for a few years, taking your money, and then quietly take it away from you.

    9. .AG end users/web developers, beware! Despite Nic.ag silently allowed you to use one of their reserved/restricted names for your business, it is STILL in violation of Nic.ag policy, so “the registration may be found to be invalid, and the domain name may either be deleted or transferred to the Registry”.

    Nic.ag is one of the most obscure registries I ever seen. Forget about .ooo registry that took 9 months old domain away from the owner, now we have the new leader. From my experience, Nic.ag absolutely doesn’t give a sh*t on domain registrants: no single response to all my emails & 45 support tickets being sent to them during a month!

    On the opposite, I’m so grateful to Hexonet for all their assistance regarding this issue. Hexonet is no doubt one of the best registrars with amazing customer support.
     
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  2. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    10. Owners of one-character .ag domains, beware! Your domains are in violation of Nic.ag policies and may be silently taken away from you by Nic.ag anytime, without single notice. Don't list them for sale, don't develop valuable web properties on them.
     
  3. learie

    learie Upgraded Member Gold Account Blue Account

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    "Hmm" that's rather interesting and scary:wideyed:
     
  4. Internet.Domains

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    This is the reason most experts continue to stay with .COM....Stories like this pop up all the time with Country Codes and the New G's....Thanks for sharing!
     
  5. Kate

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    Each ccTLD is different.

    Some allow or even encourage speculation, others disallow it. Others do not address the question but seem to tolerate it. Others reserve the right to intervene if they think you are abusing the system. So the rules are not always clear-cut...

    Yes, the .ag registry says domains can be resold. What I think that actually means is this: you can resell a domain name on the occasion (for example if you no longer it), but they still don't want speculative registrations (for the sole purpose of reselling them. Other registries have a similar policy. Australia still has such a policy if I'm current.

    Also, the .in registry doesn't like speculation. There must be a reason why certain venues don't accept listings for .in domains. I am always surprised people don't pay more attention to the peculiarities and think .in or whatever TLD is regulated just like .com.
    .in and other TLDs will also revoke porn domains, or domains they deem to be immoral or offensive. Their tolerance can last for a long time, until the cogs of the bureaucracy set in motion and somebody decides to do something out of the blue.

    Yet there are ccTLDs that are safer than .com, because even in .com domain names have been seized by the US govt for flimsy reasons, for example domains related to Cuba, or online gambling...
    Some registries are well-run and fair, stand by the rule of law and will not budge without a court order or a very strong case. Some registries are even cool :)
    (I once had a complain from a political party that wasn't happy with some domain name, they went to the registry that politely told them "bye-bye").
     
  6. Recons.Com

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  7. mad409

    mad409 Always thinking outside the box! VIP

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    It's clear that b.ag was on the reserved list but allowing you to have this in your account for such a long period of time is ridicules to say the least. If in fact they noticed the mistake at a later date but decided to let you build out a site then they should have advised you to build on it, they made a mistake. Build a site and keep it or we're going to take it back after we make some money off of you from reg. fees.

    It's also clear that #11 refers to someone who registers a domain and they can be re-sold. There's nothing pertaining to an individual not being able to resale a domain, or Website using a .ag ccTLD. And nothing about it meaning registers being able to resale a domain, that's stupid anyway they know they can.

    If it were me I'd be demanding a refund for all the years the domain was registered, this is actually worse than any gTLD domain released and pulled back within a few days of finding the error. Ex: .xyz and others.

    .CD is in limbo with issues and .AG is taking back domains seven years later. Geesh!
     
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  8. wot

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    Makes .ooo registry look like good guys.

    But of course they are not, they deserve the success they are not getting.
     
  9. lock

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    Might be worth getting a lawyer that can prove that others or the registry has done the same and sold their names for profit. Otherwise every single name is worth rego fee forever.
     
  10. robert widener

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    i'm a little suprised & shocked ... antigua & barbuda , i guess piracy still thrives in the caribbean .
     
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  11. bluemeteor

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    (I once had a complain from a political party that wasn't happy with some domain name, they went to the registry that politely told them "bye-bye").[/QUOTE]
    Which ccTLD is that?
     
  12. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Well, I understand it as it is written: domains may be resold. There is nothing in their policy saying that domains can't be registered for the sole purpose of reselling, but, rather, that domains may be resold. I guess "resold" and "resellling" have very close meaning :)

    Furthermore, there was/is aftermarket for .ag domains for many years, and Nic.ag never did anything like they did with b.ag (and also i.ag, e.ag). Now they come up with something which contradicts their own policy and take back valuable .ag domains at their own discretion. Now any .ag domain listed for sale can be seized by Nic.ag, .ag domains became garbage for investors.

    Nic.ag is in total breach of their own policies: they allowed registration of reserved domain, let it run for many years and then suspended it for the reason which contradicts their policy. BTW, according to iana.org, same people who own Nic.ag registry (Patrick Lay) are also behind management of .LC TLD, so I guess .lc domains are not safe too. The only interest to .lc domains is from domainers, but Nic.ag people now bite the hand that feeds them. Ridiculous!

    Regarding .in domains. Well, nowhere in .in regulations reselling .in domains is explicitly allowed as it is in .ag regulations. That ".in registry doesn't like speculation" is more rumors than reality. .IN registry is perfectly aware of domain investors and they do nothing against .in aftermarket. They don't seize .in domains just because they are listed for sale, otherwise they will have to suspend hundreds of thousands of them. Certain venues don't accept .in listings because .in regulations prohibit registrars from doing so, that's why GoDaddy don't do that and other venues too. Sedo is not registrar, so they are perfectly fine listing tens of thousands of .in domains for sale and also running .in auctions.
     
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  13. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I can't demand the refund, as Nic.ag blatantly ignores me by all means, they never ever responded to me. It took a month for them to respond to the registrar for b.ag, and that was very hard task to make them respond even to the registrar. They obviously don't give a sh*t unless/until I sue them.
     
  14. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Yep I thought the same when I was writing my starting post :)
     
  15. Kokoro

    Kokoro Established Member

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    If they really wanted these names restricted then why happily collecting renewal fees year after year. Listing for sale is a very weak argument as they have it allowed in their own ToU. If they changed the rules before the seizure, it would be still bad, but at least they had an excuse. For me it looks like the reason is different than the official one.

    Shame on the .ag Registry!
     
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  16. -EM-

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    I never get the so called "registry error" mentioned so often for some dark reasons.
    I have faced too many things like this with different cctlds.
    I have seen this domain on sale as well many times, it even was sold recently if I'm not wrong. Why didn't the sale finish?
     
  17. Makise

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    wut? :xf.confused:

    Interesting domain name for selling.
     
  18. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    The buyer didn't pay. Lucky guy lol. I can imagine his feeling if he paid and then Nic.ag took it away from him.

    The domain has great value, I used to get offers on it all the time during these 7 years.
     
  19. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    The domain is just great, being not only one character one in previously reputed extension, but also great domain hack. One letter domain hacks are so rare.
     
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    This is when you want too much from a domain, You don't get nothing instead.
     
  21. kriss05

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    I wanted something similar to what t.ag was sold for - $60k - not so much me thinks :xf.rolleyes:
     
  22. -EM-

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    T.ag doesn't load to me. Was this domain reserved as-well?
     
  23. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Not yet, but can be suspended anytime.
     
  24. kriss05

    kriss05 Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I misunderstood your question.

    T.ag was in reserved/restricted domain list until 2011, but then magically somewhere in 2011 it was removed by Nic.ag from that list. Coincidence or not, but it was sold at Sedo for $60,000 in 2011.

    Someone with access to whois history can check who was the registrant of t.ag before it was sold at Sedo, whether it was Nic.ag or not.

    Regardless, it is still reserved/restricted domain, as Nic.ag policy clearly says: all one character domains are reserved.

    So Nic.ag removed it from one restricted list while holding it in another restricted list. What an obscure registry!
     
  25. Fancy.domains

    Fancy.domains Selling gTLDs like delicious hotcakes Gold Account VIP

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    Sorry to hear about this and many thanks for your warning!
     

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