.tv A great way to see if your take on good regges is on target

[MillersCrossing]

I know that when I first started out, I had no idea what I was regging, as members of this forum made quite clear to me......but I think I have started to grasp the concepts involved in weighing up whether to reg a name or not.

Recently, I started checking for reg names on .TV Verisign site, because I hated seeing a reg "available" on other registeries, only to see that it was unobtainable due to it being a premium name.

So I decided to go to Verisign for a while and type in a domain and if it was a premium, then I knew straightaway....

Yesterday, I tapped in about 25 names, 17 of which were premium names, of which 10 were two worded names....

I realised that whilst alot of these regges were certainly not in my price range, I was seeing a pattern emerge, my reg thought process was in agreement with what were "premium" ideas!!

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

Can you elaborate?

 

[equity78]

What Millers is saying Silicon is that in his opinion for example only if BlueMonkey.tv is a premium then BlueMonkeys listed as a non premium is a good reg because the other is a premium. Of course I know Millers means much better names I just used Blue Monkey as an example.

To me the problem with this scenario is Verisign is clueless they mis classify names all the time. I got Six.tv for $500 ( and the domain paid for itself in 5 months PPC )instead of what every other Number spelled out from one to ten was listed for $5000 Seven and four are the only two left at $5000 per year. But at the end of the day there are a lot of domains that should not be priced at Premium so getting the plural or vice versa or something that is close to that for non premium is only a value in the person regging the domains eyes. Unless it was a real drop on Verisigns part I personally regged LCD.tv for $30 Someone regged CBS.tv for $30 those are real drops and they have value. But because Blue Monkey.tv is $500 does not make me think that Blue Monkeys.tv is a bargain for $30. Verisign has mystic .tv for $100 and IMO I regged a far superior domain in Everything.tv for non premium but I don't know if that gives everything any intrinsic value because I got it for non premium pricing and names that are worse go for $500. I think it is just a personal opinion of the person regging but does not quantify value universally
IMO

 

[MillersCrossing]

Not Quite Equity!!

I mean the following

Lets say I think mydogisisthebestintheworld.tv is a sensible reg to own with great potential to be worth alot to an end user, or how about myreggestodatebearallthehallmarksofapro.tv - what are the odds that I would not be able to reg these names because they are premiums at .TV??!! Less than zero.

But what if I thought turnon.tv is a good reg, and I see that that is a $500 premium reg. Okay how about razor.TV, I like the name and I think it is very brandable - again, unless I pay the $500 reg fee - its not for sale.....What about airforce.tv -no, that one's $3000...god let me find a good name thats not a premium name!!!

I like setup.tv - and guess what thats also a $500 reg.............a pattern starts to emerge - I am thinking of regges that fellow employed domainers have decided to charge a premium reg fee - in other words, great minds think alike come to mind - in a more modest sort of way.....

Now I agree with Equity - there are plenty of holes in Verisigns premium name strategy - which is exactly why, if I have tried to reg 15 names in half an hour of which 90% are premiums and then I think of one more name that I think is really hot and its not a premium reg......that gives me the confidence to believe in my judgement that its a name with alot of potential - and the fact that Verisign has not required a premium reg on that name does not mean that the name is crap - its that Verisign will not get every good name on its books....

I hope that some of my ramblings make sense!! :]

What Millers is saying Silicon is that in his opinion for example only if BlueMonkey.tv is a premium then BlueMonkeys listed as a non premium is a good reg because the other is a premium. Of course I know Millers means much better names I just used Blue Monkey as an example.

To me the problem with this scenario is Verisign is clueless they mis classify names all the time. I got Six.tv for $500 ( and the domain paid for itself in 5 months PPC )instead of what every other Number spelled out from one to ten was listed for $5000 Seven and four are the only two left at $5000 per year. But at the end of the day there are a lot of domains that should not be priced at Premium so getting the plural or vice versa or something that is close to that for non premium is only a value in the person regging the domains eyes. Unless it was a real drop on Verisigns part I personally regged LCD.tv for $30 Someone regged CBS.tv for $30 those are real drops and they have value. But because Blue Monkey.tv is $500 does not make me think that Blue Monkeys.tv is a bargain for $30. Verisign has mystic .tv for $100 and IMO I regged a far superior domain in Everything.tv for non premium but I don't know if that gives everything any intrinsic value because I got it for non premium pricing and names that are worse go for $500. I think it is just a personal opinion of the person regging but does not quantify value universally
IMO

 

[equity78]

I did not find it to make much sense no Because your statement of Great Domainers thinking a like is off. Verisign are not Domainers they are a company running a registry trying to make as much money as possible. They are far from great thinkers when it comes to .tv they just want the money. So after reading that post I really don't get you at all.

 

[MillersCrossing]

Well thats not the end of the world...

I did not find it to make much sense no Because your statement of Great Domainers thinking a like is off. Verisign are not Domainers they are a company running a registry trying to make as much money as possible. They are far from great thinkers when it comes to .tv they just want the money. So after reading that post I really don't get you at all.

You don't understand me I don't understand you - I'm sure we can both live with that

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

What Millers is saying Silicon is that in his opinion for example only if BlueMonkey.tv is a premium then BlueMonkeys listed as a non premium is a good reg because the other is a premium. Of course I know Millers means much better names I just used Blue Monkey as an example.

To me the problem with this scenario is Verisign is clueless they mis classify names all the time. I got Six.tv for $500 ( and the domain paid for itself in 5 months PPC )instead of what every other Number spelled out from one to ten was listed for $5000 Seven and four are the only two left at $5000 per year. But at the end of the day there are a lot of domains that should not be priced at Premium so getting the plural or vice versa or something that is close to that for non premium is only a value in the person regging the domains eyes. Unless it was a real drop on Verisigns part I personally regged LCD.tv for $30 Someone regged CBS.tv for $30 those are real drops and they have value. But because Blue Monkey.tv is $500 does not make me think that Blue Monkeys.tv is a bargain for $30. Verisign has mystic .tv for $100 and IMO I regged a far superior domain in Everything.tv for non premium but I don't know if that gives everything any intrinsic value because I got it for non premium pricing and names that are worse go for $500. I think it is just a personal opinion of the person regging but does not quantify value universally
IMO

Thank you for the explanation. I am really curious to hear what strategies others are using. Some I find useful others I do not. I was on the phone today with my .tv corp insider and one thing that was pointed out to me about .tv over other domain extensions is the fact that TV is known throughout the world. This individual felt that .TV will go big in another few years. While I would love to believe I am on this side of the curve, I have to wait and find out. Catching verisign dropping the ball when it came to everything.tv was an excellent find and only one I could hope to duplicate.

 

[equity78]

Well millers let me make it crystal clear IMO you're logic is flawed. You stated Verisign were domainers they are not, they run the registry. And just because they value a domain at $500 a year means nothing toward its value in the secondary market. Hopefully now you can understand.

Silicon I think you have to look at what do you want to do with .tv? Do you have a decent budget and want to acquire some odomains for resale to end users when more turn to using .tv. Or do you want to develop? Build a business?

Plenty of Networks and others in entertainment own the .tv of their name but don't all use it. Scripps who owns HGTV just regged HG.tv after it being available for years ( I was going to reg Because I knew it got traffic) They have it mirror but not redirect (which Is good IMO ) HGTV.com

I think you have to know what you want to do in the .tv namespace and what kind of budget and renewal budget you will have. remember even at the $27.49 it is 1 .tv to 4 .coms.

What .tv does provide is the availability of a lot of good keywords that are gone in com/net/org/info/us/biz/co/uk/eu/de

 

[MillersCrossing]

Equity,

I am going to respond to your comments, but before I go do that, please understand that I am not looking to pick a fight or be facetious, these are also my IMO's.

I did not say Verisign were domainers, what I meant to say (and I could well be wrong) is they are a registery who probably employed domainers ( at least in the short term) to help them place a value on key names that they felt should have a premium price tag attached, in order for them to, as you correctly stated, make as much money as possible.

I am sure you agree that BUSINESS.TV is worth more than TOOLS.TV, both are premium names with premium price tags, yet one costs a whole lot more than the other.........

I do not think that just because Verisign is a registery - takes away their ability to attach more importance/reg fee to one name over the other based upon key domainer strategies such as OVT, GOOGLE, BRANDABILITY, END USER OPTIONS etc etc.....

So, coming full circle, if I tap in a name and it turns out to be a premium, I don't see why it is so hard to "get" the point that whomever priced that name with a premium price tag, probably did so for the same reason I tried to reg it in the first place - because it had the qualities desirable to the .TV ext.

NOT IN ALL CASES......but in quite alot of them.....

Well millers let me make it crystal clear IMO you're logic is flawed. You stated Verisign were domainers they are not, they run the registry. And just because they value a domain at $500 a year means nothing toward its value in the secondary market. Hopefully now you can understand.

 

[equity78]

Millers what you say about Verisign is theway they should be, what I am saying isfrom talking to them they are not I have pointedout glitches tothem for their benefit only they don't fix them. They really are just focused on getting as many premium regs, If verisign cared the way they should have the HRTS auction would have went much better and a premium domain like Kids.tv would have went for more than $10,100. I am not saying that you cannot use that theory for you but new people come here all the time many don't join here they email me and I just don't want people thinking that Verisign puts a lot of Domainer common sense into their pricing because they don't and when you point it out to Verisign they act like they could care less.

 

[dottvfan]

Sorry Millers, I don't buy it. Verisign are all over the shop. There is no rhyme. There is no reason.

 

[MillersCrossing]

I hear you.

Equity,

I have to give your comments credibility based upon your experiance as a domainer and having had conversations with Verisign. I have but six months or so experimentation.....

At least you can understand my theory - you are saying that unfortunately it is just not so in practice......and that you are basically trying to ensure that no one, especially newbies such as myself think otherwise.....gotcha.

I think we are now on the same page!! :wave:

Millers what you say about Verisign is theway they should be, what I am saying isfrom talking to them they are not I have pointedout glitches tothem for their benefit only they don't fix them. They really are just focused on getting as many premium regs, If verisign cared the way they should have the HRTS auction would have went much better and a premium domain like Kids.tv would have went for more than $10,100. I am not saying that you cannot use that theory for you but new people come here all the time many don't join here they email me and I just don't want people thinking that Verisign puts a lot of Domainer common sense into their pricing because they don't and when you point it out to Verisign they act like they could care less.

 

[VisualArtistFrankBonilla]

Question?

Question to Equity:

With all this talk about the .Tv Corp, and Verisign, what do you know about the following statement. How will affect registrations? Or has the .TV Corp alreday renewed for another 10 years? Equity, you seem to be the contact with Verisign, can you tell us? Or, is it all owned by Verisign now,and nothing will change?

Statement:


The most expensive domain name ever sold was that of the island Tuvalu. It has the top-level domain name tv. The Dot TV Corporation, will pay US-$ 40,000 in the next 10 years for the right to use this domain name. tv-domain names will be re-selled to TV stations from all over the world. The .tv domain registration was sold to Verisign for 45 mio US-$ in 2002.

Just wondering.

Frank

 

[equity78]

No problem Millers DUDE no one is mor epro .tv than I it is why I started the sub forum but Unfortunately Verisign is not as PRO .tv as we are. They want the premium reg fees but ignore a lot of suggestions on how to market and incentivize. Would you or anyone else allow a premium name like KIDS.tv go for only $10,100 I know no one else bid but it was not promoted properly there is no way a domain like that should have went for the same price as BusinessChannel.tv IMO

Frank
Idealab made the first deal with Tuvalu, Verisign then acquired the .tv corporation and they have all the ownership and rights. They have to pay the gov of Tuvalu each year based on their agreement. Verisign is the sole owner of the .tv registry if you check out wikipedia it will give you a whole history just put in .tv

 

[RogueWriter]

In regards to Verisign, I think their whole business model is flawed. They are trying to generate significant annual cash flow by basing registration fees for a domain by a subjective perception of that domain's 'value'.

Yet this same model prevents thousands of premium names from being developed, since developers often balk at the seemingly absurd annual fees that Verisign wants them to commit to. So, they earn less, since no one even bothers to register the names for resale, let alone develop.

If Verisign had said, hey, look, bid one time, and from that point on, you just pay a $50 annual fee for the domain, I am sure there would have been a number of interested bidders.

 

[equity78]

RW you are exactly right I have said that to them many a time "Get the Premium reg fee for the first two years then let the reg fee be $50" Their reply "No, that's not the business model" Now for the HRTS AUCTION those people did get that KIDS.tv $10,100 then $50 from then on if they would make that the norm plenty of domains would get regged.

 

[gamehouse]

I believe sooner or later someone at Verisign wakes up and make it a norm to get the names registered.

RW you are exactly right I have said that to them many a time "Get the Premium reg fee for the first two years then let the reg fee be $50" Their reply "No, that's not the business model" Now for the HRTS AUCTION those people did get that KIDS.tv $10,100 then $50 from then on if they would make that the norm plenty of domains would get regged.