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Badger · Mar 19, 2005

Heres a good example of why some experienced domainers are finding the whole business of NPs a tad frustrating nowadays

http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=76076

The appraisal section is worse than its ever been... Instead of posting regfee without any reason, all these junior guys (i mean in terms of age), now just follow suit and copy what others have written before them. I guess purely for NP$... No one ever cares to explain as to why they gave such a valuation in the first place anymore.. You click the new post link at the top sometimes, and theres a page of appraisals given in about 3 minutes by the same guy giving the same value to every one....And this, fgs, is apparently in line with the rules...!

Now, i dunno if this is just me but, doesnt things like this make a total mockery of this site, undermine what it should stand for and ensure the 'pro' in NP gets s*****red at now by the rest of the domaining fraternity. And im not kidding right here folks..

Now ive no problem with the younger guys, for heaven knows, theyd run rings around my html coding and things of this ilk. But there is no tangible middle ground any more. For us more mature :red: domainers who have invested $$$$$+ in domains, development and the like, we have little to discuss here anymore... All threads seem to get trashed or commented upon by people without a shred of knowledge of what they or indeed we are talking about.. People discuss filing a law suit (of all things) against paypal for not returning there $5 ... People post threads looking to sell all their NP "because theyre desperate for $" - net gain about $2.. Theres a weird fixation about becoming NP member of the month and people get nominated because "he's really nice"... Threads such as 'what was the longest/shortest/funniest/worst/oldest name did you buy..' appear all the time, some people seem to be on here 24/7 posting hundreds of threads a day (i mean what more can they discuss about domain names..?) and theres just this whole feeling of it being a kind of schoolyard discussion forum where domain names are now secondary...

I left domainstate because there was too little to discuss and people were overtly frank with you.. But looking back at some of the appraisals and comments etc in relation to where NP is today - I have to say none of this rubbish has crept in. Maybe its because theyre moderated more strictly, i dunno..

http://www.domainstate.com/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=29153

See what i mean...?

(hope you dont mind the link Ron)

Fine, if namepros is only interested in bums on seats then continue along the vein were on and sign up the entire domaining community under 12 and give them little or no guidance as to what is/should be expected of them as a member, but if we aim to be a professional community then lets start acting as such...

Qwert · Mar 23, 2005

I know you were trying to prove a point, but you've proven it before this. We got it. And that was a serious suggestion. If you want adult appraisers only, just put a little side note saying, only appraise if you're over 18.

CrazyTech · Mar 23, 2005

Well I can sympathize with you there.

It is indeed annoying to have a forum appraised at reg. fee values when you know it's worth a good bit more than that. In all honesty I'm not good at apprasing websites and forums - but I know enough to know that those are wrong and I simply ignore them. I want the opinions of peers in the market - hence the reason I go there to see where something might stand. A lot of things are worth money - but that doesn't necessarily mean someone will value it at that price and I think that's the case with the appraisals forum.

I use it for a general consensus but I don't plan on substituting it for a professional appraisal (though there are some in there who are pros in their own right).

However, I'm going to throw the benefit of the doubt here and assume that they simply appraised the domain. (Though I did try to clarify it was a forum.)

.X. · Mar 23, 2005

The thing is,An undeveloped name is very hard to appraise IMO..And most of mine are undeveloped,So i don't expect an appraisel of Low x,xxx as an appraisel for an undeveloped name.After all,I may like it alot,Others may not like like it.I think thier are certain names related to certain niches that will definatly bring more money undeveloped.Such as the ever popular poker niche,It's hot right now,But,It can't just be poker anything! It has to be an attractable meaningful name,People buying undeveloped names seem to want a certain theme-Feel and good keywords to thier name.And justly so,Thier site success can depend on it.An example i saw was,A person was selling Bloghag.com,Blogs are hot right now,But bloghag.com has no theme to develope under,It actually points to nothing more than an old hag! LOL,The appraisers here at NPs do an excellent job IMO,However if it be the case that some are appraising that don't know what they are doing,No matter the age,They should'nt be submitting appraisels.I don't appraise DN's here because i am not qualified to do so,And iam over 40 years old,Proly an old timer here! LOL.I guess my point is,I could careless if the appraiser is 16 or 50 years old.As long as they are **qualified** to submitt an appraisel.Keep up the excellent work appraisers.

Kenny · Mar 24, 2005

Back on track, please.

This started off on the wrong foot.
Had Ian used examples from any other Section but Appr., his point would have been viewed differently by most. We are all very defensive about the appr. section. For some of us it has been the only way to get REAL ideas about a DN's value. After awhile we learn who knows what they are talking about and who is just NP$ hunting. And Ian knows this as well, and he was NOT (as I heard it before the feathers started flying) condeming all the younger members, only those speaking out of turn, and obviously chasing "post count". But that isn't only done by the younger members, we see that type of selfishness in all age groups.

Some of our most dedicated and accurate appraisers are still in their teens. The best coder I have seen in awhile is a young man, very well respected in this forum. They have worked hard at learning how this game is played, and play it well.
I respect that, and listen when they speak. So although I agree with Ians assertion that things have changed somewhat and we hear less from elder members with more experience, we can still separate the wheat from the chaff.

Everything I have learned about Domains I learned from the gracious members of this forum. The Admin and Mods allowed me a wide strike zone when it came to Appr. requests, and I know it served me well to pay close attention when certain members took time from their own work and commented in depth on my names.
NamePros has been good to me, and those at the top run a tight ship. But actions that would have been renounced swiftly and directly have been somewhat rampant as of late, and the fact is clear this comes from SOME younger members interjecting where they have little knowledge or experience.

Listening is the great educator, and it is very hard to listen while speaking.

Lets not let a line be drawn, and divide us over this issue. There is still room for all to learn here. More than the DNs, learn about each other. Respect, as Jeff so aptly reminds us is the key to a working community, and life in general for that matter. Professional is more than a word or title, it is a style one has to learn to become. Polite.... we all know what that means. Respond as you would prefer to be responded to. Ego is a wonderful attribute in humans, it defines self-worth, but dont allow it to over-ride good judgement.

Peace, kp

Badger · Mar 28, 2005

http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78354

I dont like to harp on but please, what can we do to attain some credibility

Mark · Mar 28, 2005

Xfactor said:
The thing is,An undeveloped name is very hard to appraise IMO ...

A lot of Domains don't Need Development to have worth - 2 letter/character and 3 letter TLD's are simply too rare to be appraised at Reg Fee's - Which is one of the points Ian is making. - And I also think a lot of these folks do not know whether they are developed or not .... Because they never open or look at the domains Period.

When in doubt - Search this forum for Related appraisals ....

I'm usually a "You get what you pay for" type person ... and This is a free service provided by the Forum and Members so it is kind of hard to complain .... But if the newer folks would just browse through past "Appraisals" they might learn a few things ~

I am also a person who WILL NOT Pay for a Domain Appraisal due to these reasons :
1) A lot of "Paid Appraisers" are scammers with less "Background Knowledge" than me !
2) A domain is only worth what someone is willing to pay - If you find the right end user .... Appraisals are worthless anyway (IMO - The right end user has enough "Background Knowledge" to not need an appraisal - But not always true !).

There is always going to be a few folks just rushing through them to earn Np$ ~ Maybe a limit on how many Appraisals you can earn credits for in a 24 hour period ? - Who knows ????

PoorDoggie · Mar 29, 2005

maybe you are right, but it is in no way just the younger memebrs. Also, I think people learn by example, so if someone posts "reg fee" then other [less knowledeable] members may (and will) post the same, to get some experience.

Kenny · Apr 11, 2005

PoorDoggie said:
maybe you are right, but it is in no way just the younger memebrs. Also, I think people learn by example, so if someone posts "reg fee" then other [less knowledeable] members may (and will) post the same, to get some .

Please explain how one might gain experience by posting on a subject about which they NO CLUE?
Unless, by experience,you mean post count, which really means nothing, and will not earn one drop of respect from any other member in this forum.

The "learning by example" theory only works when the example is worth learning. If someone wants to learn how to get to 1000 posts in the shortest time with-out making a fool of themselves, there are many groups and such at Yahoo, MSN, AOL where such activity is acceptable and would applaud such lofty goals.

However, if someone new to this business, cared enough to respect the fact this business is serious to others and not just some "trade domains for $2NP" *giggle* "you up my TR and I'll up yours" *giggle giggle* "wait a sec, brb, let me see if I can borrow $3.00 from my mommy until allowance" 9th grade classroom GAME , then try drinking a big cup of S-T-F-U and maybe they might find some "examples" from which to learn. And so could everyone else.

This forum has a Tradition of top-quality, unselfish members willing to help US learn and understand the subtle in's and out's that are the difference between a "collector" and a "Domainer". The equivalence of a Harvard or Oxford education, taught by the best in the world, and all you have to do is pay attention, listen, ask, listen some more, thank people for their time, listen some more, help contribute when and where possible, listen some more, and when you think you really might know something and want to comment in a senior members thread or help to appraise a two letter .org for someone... Drink another big cup of S-T-F-U and listen some more, and thank someone!

Kid5150.

equity78 · May 2, 2005

Great post KID

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