status-done What's with the new bumping rules?

alcy · May 16, 2018

so whats with the new bumping rules???? now sellers can spam and postpad and overcrowd their sale thread with meaningless comments literally after every single bid and nothing will happen???

how is this not postpadding or at least not just uselessly creating distractions and interference in the bidding process?

and yet this is allowed to go on .. following some recent bumping rules.

can you imagine the chaos if seller posts a new comment like "ok let's go boys!" after every single bid is placed... in every auction???????? 50 bids a day and 50 such comments in a day seems like a perfectly fine thing to do now on namepros.

come on mods. let's get serious. can't believe your letting stuff like this sit.

Name Trader · Jun 21, 2018

WebSolutions.GA said:
I agree completely, and I do try to remember to look at the threads to make sure they aren't on the first page before I bump. But, at the same time, I am going to make sure to get my $10 a month out of it too. I don't try to overkill my posts and I know I am guilty of it from time to time. At the end of the day I want to make sure I am getting what I am paying for, but, if I over-do it and I don't realize that I am... I fully welcome someone to call me out for it. Via DM preferably.
If I ever am being that guy, I should have it brought to my attention:

I mean if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck.... It sure ain't no chicken...

Quack

WebSolutions.GA · Jun 21, 2018

stub said:
We are both talking about the same thing here though. All this needless bumping. But I think @WebSolutions.GA has discovered why there are so many bumps/needless posts. It's because it is allowed on Blue and Gold Accounts. Although I haven't physically cross-checked if it is Blue or Gold Accounts. But I'm a tad surprised that it's taken a User rather than a Mod to point this out.

Such a blanket rule, is ludicrous. IMHO There are probably only 2 forums which actually need any rules. Which is Auctions & Fixed Price. On every other Domain MarketPlace you probably don't need any rules at all related to bumping. If I missed any forum out. Then just add it to these 2.

I too am surprised that it took a member to point it out, especially with the multiple responses from NP Support Team.. But, as long as the information is brought to light... I don't personally care how it comes about.

@stub could you elaborate on what you are finding ludicrous? I am not following you here. Of course I generally only post in the Auctions and Fixed Price where I bump at all...

stub said:
Quack

WebSolutions.GA · Jun 21, 2018

Personally, I would love to see the auctions and fixed price threads completely automated. It would cut down on useless and redundant alerts and emails for the buyers, and as a seller I wouldn't have to go on manually and bump my thread to the top. If a buyer is outbid, they would receive an alert at that point but only one. If they choose to increase their bid they can. The seller can set their ending and terms and not have to deal with it again until it is time to handle payment.

I know we are a long way from that for whatever reason here, but, it would be greatly beneficial to all parties involved. IMHO.

Bravo Mod Team · Jun 21, 2018

alcy said:
#1: disallow sellers to post bump messages more than once per 12 hours. even if, as you say, that does not bump the thread more than once per 12 hours.

We have explained previously that bumping is not based on a 12 hour period anymore and it hasn't been since this thread was created.

alcy said:
#2: if you can do #1 then ignore #2... if you cannot do #1, then at least when they do uselessly bump them 50 times per 12 hours or after every bid etc, then prevent emails from being sent to people who watch those thread by email. so I do not have to get emails about update to thread which says "bump" every 10 mins.

alcy said:
its exclusively about extra bump/up posts which do nothing except useless notifications/emails/thread clutter/wasted time reading them

If a thread is bumped before it is allowed to be bumped, then an email notification/alert should not be generated. If you're being alerted, then it is an allowed bump, unless there is a bug.

Since @stub is not experiencing it, the more likely explanation is that you may not have realized how many bumps were allowed per day based on the member's account level.

alcy said:
so people watching threads by email do not get useless email notifications

That is a new feature that is in the works. The absence of that feature is not a bug.

Silentptnr said:
Perhaps if there was no manual bumping and the system automatically handled renewal of the auction threads, it would help members.

By renewal, do you mean automatically bump each thread every X hours?

stub said:
I'm a tad surprised that it's taken a User rather than a Mod to point this out.

WebSolutions.GA said:
I too am surprised that it took a member to point it out, especially with the multiple responses from NP Support Team..

We've pointed it out several times across multiple public feedback threads, including the first page of this thread. You need to visit the "learn more" links, as well, which some of you may not have done, and that would explain why some of you did not understand how the new bumping system works.

WebSolutions.GA said:
It would cut down on useless and redundant alerts and emails for the buyers

That will be mostly resolved by our next bumping system, which is currently a work in progress.

WebSolutions.GA said:
Personally, I would love to see the auctions and fixed price threads completely automated.

WebSolutions.GA said:
If a buyer is outbid, they would receive an alert at that point but only one. If they choose to increase their bid they can. The seller can set their ending and terms and not have to deal with it again until it is time to handle payment.

Those features require a lot of changes and work. We plan to explore them all in the future.

Name Trader · Jun 21, 2018

WebSolutions.GA said:
@stub could you elaborate on what you are finding ludicrous? I am not following you here. Of course I generally only post in the Auctions and Fixed Price where I bump at all...

What is ludicrous, is basically what @alcy is experiencing. But any bump when the thread is on the first page, is also ludicrous. Bumps 4/5 times in 24 hrs is ludicrous.

WebSolutions.GA · Jun 21, 2018

stub said:
What is ludicrous, is basically what @alcy is experiencing. But any bump when the thread is on the first page, is also ludicrous. Bumps 4/5 times in 24 hrs is ludicrous.

I can agree with you on the aspect of bumping a thread on the first page, that is unnecessary.
However, with the increased numbers of members especially upgraded members, and having them bumping their threads all at once (Again, I have been guilty of this too, I readily admit it). If you have 2 Gold Members with their limit of listings that bump all of their listings at the same time, that will essentially cover the entire first page. I have experienced it regularly that when I bump my thread, shortly thereafter I will see that another member with multiple gold accounts has bumped all of their listings and mine are now on the bottom of the second page or even on the third page.
So 4-5 Bumps in 24 hours IMHO isn't too far fetched, it allows us members that don't have multiple accounts to be able to get our listings back to the first page.

I think a better solution would be that if you bump one thread you should have to wait a minimum of an hour to bump another thread. That would eliminate the problem of posts that were just bumped at 7am being knocked back down to page 2 or 3 by a member that has 4 accounts with 6 listings each at 730 am.

Just my thoughts on it and experience.

WebSolutions.GA · Jun 21, 2018

Really it comes back to respect for the other members.. Sure all of us selling on here want to have our listing at the top, but, humans for some reason think that they should be the only one at the top.

If members will exercise a little more respect, and space out the times at which they bump their threads the need for bumping threads more than twice a day would decrease dramatically.

Name Trader · Jun 21, 2018

Support Team said:
We have explained previously that bumping is not based on a 12 hour period anymore and it hasn't been since this thread was created.

We've pointed it out several times across multiple public feedback threads, including the first page of this thread. You need to visit the "learn more" links, as well, which some of you may not have done, and that would explain why some of you did not understand how the new bumping system works.

I think you should ONLY have 1 feedback thread for bumping. Not multiple threads that we need to follow. I, at least, have read every post in the links in the first post, when I joined this thread. It should not be expected of me to continually revisit those threads, to appraise the current situation with the bumping situation. that's too much for you to ask. The reason I chose to post in this thread was because it appeared to be the most relevant bumping thread. Of course there is always the possibility that I've forgotten stuff from those other threads. Which is why it is so important to only have 1 feedback bumping thread.

WebSolutions.GA · Jun 21, 2018

As it stands right now:
5 Members hold 13 of the listings on the first page of the auction thread. That is a great ratio compared to what it looks like around 8 am...

Bravo Mod Team · Jun 21, 2018

stub said:
I think you should ONLY have 1 feedback thread for bumping

There are many aspects of bumping, such as bumping in domain lists vs. marketplace vs. discussion sections. These are distinct topics that members have created. If we merged them all under bumping, it would be much more difficult to follow each independent topic, which often have their own ideas and feedback (e.g., members didn't want any bumping allowed in discussion sections but that is a minority opinion in the marketplace).

stub said:
Not multiple threads that we need to follow

You don't need to follow the other threads; the posts that we linked to have not changed and they contain more details about the bump system, since it was first discussed in other threads before this thread was created. We wouldn't expect you to follow multiple threads in that way; if there is anything relevant in another thread, we try to link you directly to it, which is what we did in this post:

https://www.namepros.com/posts/6720597/

WebSolutions.GA said:
5 Members hold 13 of the listings on the first page of the auction thread. That is a great ratio compared to what it looks like around 8 am...

At the moment, there are around 10 unique members on the first page (25 listings in total), which is an average of 2.5 listings per member on the first page. We could change that by forcing bumps to be spread out, but that would require a lot more time from sellers, and with the new bump system, sellers can bump whenever they have bumps available to bring themselves back to the top of the first page.

The current system allows sellers to use their own strategies and determine the times they want to use their bumps for more exposure. If you get bumped off the first page shortly after you bumped, then you can bump again to return to the first page, as long as you have bumps left.

Silentptnr · Jun 21, 2018

Support Team said:
By renewal, do you mean automatically bump each thread every X hours?

Yes

WebSolutions.GA · Jun 21, 2018

Support Team said:
At the moment, there are around 10 unique members on the first page (25 listings in total), which is an average of 2.5 listings per member on the first page. We could change that by forcing bumps to be spread out, but that would require a lot more time from sellers, and with the new bump system, sellers can bump whenever they have bumps available to bring themselves back to the top of the first page.

The current system allows sellers to use their own strategies and determine the times they want to use their bumps for more exposure. If you get bumped off the first page shortly after you bumped, then you can bump again to return to the first page, as long as you have bumps left.

I don't think that you should have to force them to be spread out, I think it should fall on the sellers to have mutual respect. I know I try to spread mine out throughout the day now, I have experienced what it is like to have to bump your thread back to the top literally after less than 20 minutes because one member with multiple accounts decided to just bump every single auction one right after the other. Again, I have done this before and I don't dispute that, but after experiencing having auctions get very few views because I had been put right back down to the second or third page, after just bumping my thread up. I have tried to be sure to 1. look at the threads placement and 2. Space out the bumps to threads.

Something sellers forget, often times the same people that are bidding on your names are selling names as well at the same time. A little bit of respect for the other sellers goes a long way. That same seller that you just caused their listing that they just bumped to be put back on page 2 or 3 might be the buyer that was going to pay your full BIN but instead decided to pass on the thread entirely because they feel as if they have been disrespected.

It's just my opinion and it isn't worth much, but, it is mine..

MasterOfMyDomains · Jun 30, 2018

Bump system not working?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/247vaping-com-bin-75-quick-sale.1088750/

This gold member posted at 6:02 pst and bumped at 7:24 pst and it got bumped back up

As it turns out it is member papatama https://www.namepros.com/threads/247vaping-com.1088381/

with different name, two separate accounts, one of which was closed yesterday but re opened? Above auction was closed
see comments in thread by @Eric Lyon
Stay on topic, it doesn't seem the bump system is working if threads are being moved up by members bumping 1 hour 21 minutes between posts

Bravo Mod Team · Jul 4, 2018

MasterOfMyDomains said:
Bump system not working?

It appears to be working in this case, but you may not be familiar with the new system.

Learn more about how it works at the moment:

Please let us know if anything needs more details.

Thanks.

richtrading · Oct 8, 2018

Thread bumping doesn't feel like good etiquette. It's basically just spam! Can the rules be amended?

Bravo Mod Team · Oct 30, 2018

For clarification:

Each bump is treated independent of other bumps.

Example: Let's say you're allowed 2 bumps per day in a thread. If you bump your thread once at 1 PM today and then once more at 3 PM today, for a total of 2 bumps today, then at 1:01 PM tomorrow, you will have 1 bump available, and at 3:01 PM tomorrow, you will have 2 bumps available.

Same example but presented as events:

At 1 PM today, you bump your thread.
- Bumps used: 1. Bumps available/left: 1.
At 3 PM today, you bump your thread.
- Bumps used: 2. Bumps available/left: 0.
At 1:01 PM tomorrow, 1 bump will become available.
- Bumps used: 1. Bumps available/left: 1.
At 3:01 PM tomorrow, 1 more bump will become available.
- Bumps used: 0. Bumps available/left: 2.

We hope that helps.

ir7 · Nov 23, 2021

Bravo Mod Team said:
The new bump system does not require any intervention from us or any reports from members.

If a post is posted too soon, it will show up in the thread but it will be ignored and it will not bump the thread. If it is posted when a bump is permitted, then it will bump the thread.

It's simple, automated, and doesn't require any work from anyone.

Learn more:

https://www.namepros.com/posts/6708910/

https://www.namepros.com/posts/6708931/

Note: We're experimenting with different bump processes at the moment to discover what will bring buyers and sellers the most value. Once we finish and finalize it, we will announce it.

Sounds good!

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