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It happened on 23rd Aug 2022 and this matter lasted almost one month without any process. Masterbucks.com declined my fund withdrawal and disabled the button of fund withdrawal. And I contacted Epik.com and got no further action even if Rob Monster got involved in it for two weeks. All the time I was told in email by management review.

What is wrong with Epik.com? Do you think it is normal to disable fund withdrawal? How can I get back my fund from Epik.com? Thanks for your suggestion.

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Also, let's analyze this multiple-layered pearl in the thread you mentioned:
Wow, doesn't that almost sound like insurance, no matter what Epik called it.

The Washington State OIC also considered their offerings "insurance" when they were sent the C&D order.

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I believe all of these domains are on Epik Forever Renewal.

https://www.winmond.com/

Would have to confirm with the owner though.
 
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I believe all of these domains are on Epik Forever Renewal.

https://www.winmond.com/

Would have to confirm with the owner though.
That's an amazing list of domains there, certainly worth renewing "forever".
It's just not worth paying Epik $399 to do it.

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Wow, doesn't that almost sound like insurance, no matter what Epik called it.

The Washington State OIC also considered their offerings "insurance" when they were sent the C&D order.
Agree. Furthermore:

  1. DNProtect was an Epik service after all, and Bill Hartzer helped Epik developing the service.
  2. It turns out that in fact Epik was the one doing shady things with customer domains (udrp, domain theft).
  3. The DNProtect.com domain name is now for sale by Epik, and the service is no longer active.
  4. Epik doesn't offer 'forever' registration anymore.
  5. Most probably, a lot of these 'forever' domains fail to be renewed as we speak, due to lack of funds.
  6. Are there any 'forever' customers on this forum who can successfully claim the $10k 'warranty protection' mentioned by Rob?
 
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Agree. Furthermore:

  1. DNProtect was an Epik service after all, and Bill Hartzer helped Epik developing the service.
  2. It turns out that in fact Epik was the one doing shady things with customer domains (udrp, domain theft).
  3. The DNProtect.com domain name is now for sale by Epik, and the service is no longer active.
  4. Epik doesn't offer 'forever' registration anymore.
  5. Most probably, a lot of these 'forever' domains fail to be renewed as we speak, due to lack of funds.
  6. Are there any 'forever' customers on this forum who can successfully claim the $10k 'warranty protection' mentioned by Rob?
I think @bhartzer is better off with another brand at this point. The connection to Epik is toxic.

Plus, I don't think Rob or Epik really did any of the actual work involved.

I am not sure what the actual connection was, but it seemed like Rob was just quick to commingle assets as "Epik" products. I mean DNProtect.com even ended up on Kingdom Ventures, somehow.

There are lots of other white label products that Epik seems to have rebranded as their own, like they developed them.

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Hello Rob

Great financial analysis.

While we are talking about financials, why don't you post a copy of Epik's so your customers know what they are getting into?

You sent me a copy a few months ago when you approached me to sell Epik, remember? I'm not sure what account you hold your escrows in given in December 2018 you had less than $50,000 cash between your bank and Paypal accounts. That's not enough to even pay out all those people that you got to buy Masterbucks.

Regards
Matt

Hey Matt,

Thanks for checking in.

First of all, I know you guys are going hard at it, and that's all cool. You are an entrepreneur, and I respect that. You are smart and you hustle. You have done a lot of deals, and you know your business. I think you will end up regretting not being a registrar, because your domain escrow business model is structurally flawed. I don't know much about your core freelancer business but I applaud anyone who empowers the little guy to get paid selling their time and talent. As such, I hope you guys continue and power through.

As for the Epik financials shared with you, it was actually shared in confidence. Even without an NDA, it is a well-known decorum to treat such data in confidence. The fact that you would share sensitive information, is perhaps indicative of your ethics. By my book, that would not ever pass the "Do unto others" test. I encourage you to use that test as a simple gut-test regardless of any guiding faith or spiritual practice. Even at age 45, you are old enough to know better.

As for Epik's fiscal strength, Epik is closely held. We have a recurring revenue model that is gaining momentum. As you well know, we invest very heavily in product development. The attached company overview outlines some of the various projects that we are working on beyond the Epik platform including registrar, hosting, domain marketplace, etc. These are mature products.

Worth noting we did also complete 2 acquisitions so far in 2019 -- BitMitigate.com and Sibyl Systems. This in turn allowed us to introduce new products like Anonymize VPN and Resilient Domains as well as incubate new projects like Us.Tv, WatchMask.com and Armored.net, all developed in the last few months.

As for our cash, as you saw, we put it to work. We fund development. We buy companies. In case you missed, it we also do interest-free domain loans -- we have hundreds of thousands of dollars loaned out at any given time to people who were at risk of losing their domains due to liquidity issues. We just did a loan a few hours ago, in fact and get loan inquiries daily. We also have significant sums on deposit with domain registries like Verisign that require pre-payment. We also do domain promos, like our recent $0.99 .CO promo at material loss but which yielded more than 30,000 .CO registrations so far in July.

As for domains, we own about 9,000 development-grade domains on our own accounts. Per GAAP, we keep those on the books at lower of cost or market -- which is about $4.78 million. For calibration, the appraised value of the domain portfolio alone is more than the shareholder equity of your entire company and that is even allowing for your $26.4 million in intangibles (my goodness) that your auditors probably would like you to write down but doing so would make it even harder to get a follow-on offering done.

As a seasoned entrepreneur, you know that it is always possible to do a capital call. I could do one at anytime, and our Board and investors know it. Our largest liability is deferred salary to me, the CEO and controlling shareholder. This might sound crazy but I actually pay myself last. I am sure you are worth every bit of the $569K salary you pay yourself but I prefer to hand out a few more domain loans, or do some development, or aggressive promo than pay myself a wage.
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With all due respect, I actually don't doubt you work your ass off which is actually why I had the humility to reach out and explore a strategic cooperation. I enjoyed our phone conversation. I liked the geographic diversity of your location and I saw some obvious synergy in a market that is evolving. However, based on your remarks here in this thread, I conclude that a cooperation is not interesting, and that is fine.

Regards

Rob Monster
Founder and CEO
Epik Holdings Inc.
We share our detailed financials with our investors and prospective investors. We are raising capital but do so on a very selective basis among people that we like and trust and who we think add value to our company. That is a key advantage of being a private company -- you get to decide who are the stakeholders.

As for treasury management, we hold value in many forms:

- Cash on deposit with banks
- Cryptos on deposit in various secure places
- Domain holdings, including more than 9,000 O&O domains valued at $30+ million
- Loans to customers secured by domains (this is a lot more than you might think!)
- Funds on deposit with registries (also more than you might think)

We completed 2 acquisitions this year and used cash with both transactions. We did also receive ~$500K in equity investment since Matt saw those financials. Another $2 million pending, of which $500K is committed for later this month from a Dubai investor..

Our business is executing well. Our revenues in Q2 were up 71% versus Q1. If you want to know, it was $2.53 million in Q2. We are projecting to end 2019 with $15 million in revenues. We may well exceed that since some large players are moving to Epik.
 
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Notice Matt's last sentence, first quote.
 
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Notice Matt's last sentence, first quote.
You sent me a copy a few months ago when you approached me to sell Epik, remember? I'm not sure what account you hold your escrows in given in December 2018 you had less than $50,000 cash between your bank and Paypal accounts. That's not enough to even pay out all those people that you got to buy Masterbucks.

Regards
Matt
Yes, this is pretty prophetic in hindsight.

So the way an escrow service is supposed to work is -

Buyer pays in actual currency 👉 funds held in separate escrow account 👉domain transferred 👉 funds released to seller in actual currency.

With Epik instead there was a reported commingling of funds between escrow and general funds.
Then it also involved payment in some internal token called Masterbucks.

This is exactly why the escrow field is heavily regulated.

If you follow industry standard practices, it is not possible for customers to be screwed over on these escrow funds.

Even if a company went under, the escrow funds should be separate and not effected.

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Yes, this is pretty prophetic in hindsight.

Yes, proof this has been an issue for a long time. Something else (crypto winter?, he admits to holding crypto assets) must have triggered the collapse of the pyramid. Who knows...

Anyway, when did E/RM start engaging on np? Can't have been much earlier. Does make it look like it was all one premeditated scheme.
 
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I have been in arrears with $26144 for several months, and I have lost hope. I only hope that those who break the law will be punished by law
 
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Does anyone know where Monster and Royce are physically located now? I mean just what country, not the address.

When they think they can't loot another penny from Epik victims, I have been expecting them to flee offshore to some place where they can't be extradited, and then they can live off their substantial stash for the rest of their lives. Till then they are just playing for time - it's all theatre to keep the Ponzi popping as long as possible.
 
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Does anyone know where Monster and Royce are physically located now? I mean just what country, not the address.

When they think they can't loot another penny from Epik victims, I have been expecting them to flee offshore to some place where they can't be extradited, and then they can live off their substantial stash for the rest of their lives. Till then they are just playing for time - it's all theatre to keep the Ponzi popping as long as possible.
Who knows where Rob is at the moment. He has basically disappeared off the map.

I doubt Brian is in hiding or anything. From what I have seen so far he doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed. I don't think he really has any clue what is going on in the domain field whatsoever.

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What lasts longer a "friend for life" or a "forever" domain registration?
You could almost make a meme out of it, if it weren't so miserable what's happening.
 
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Epik's Press Release regarding Forever domain registrations, dated October 25, 2018:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-domain-industry-heralds-arrival-101500364.html

There's also a blog article that was written on October 24, 2018 by Rob Monster (archived version here). In the article, Monster claimed that Epik already had 1,000 Forever domain registrations in a short time since launch.

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Unfortunately, the blog has disappeared now.
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It would not surprise me if they found a small group of suckers to buy them.

Of course at this point, even if they sold 1000 x $399 that is barely enough to pay 1/4 of the reported debt owed to Domain Empire alone.

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It would not surprise me if they found a small group of suckers to buy them.

Of course at this point, even if they sold 1000 x $399 that is barely enough to pay 1/4 of the reported debt owed to Domain Empire alone.

Brad

Just because Epik screwed up with "escrow", doesn't make the whole idea of escrow bad. And the same goes for "perpetual" registrations.

If done properly, it could have been a valuable and solid service. All collected funds should be placed in an investment account that cannot be commingled with the other funds. The investments should be low-mid risk with regular returns that can cover both the renewals and the potential price increases. For instance, you can buy an existing strip mall for 7% cap rate. If you are collecting $400 upfront and investing into something like that, you are assured of $28/year that would cover the renewals and the risks associated with price increases.
 
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Oct 24, 2018

Rob Monster, Epik.com Founder and CEO and Filip Borcov, Site.pro CEO discussing about Domains Lifehack: Buy Domain Forever.

During the 63rd convocation of global domain industry regulator, ICANN in Barcelona, perpetual domain ownership achieved an important milestone as Seattle-based Epik.com became the first domain name registrar to offer perpetual domain registrations for hundreds of popular domain extensions. Although perpetual registrations are not yet available for every domain extension, a growing number of popular domain extensions can now be secured perpetually for a one-time fee.


00:00 Rob Monster, Founder and CEO, Epik.com
01:00 A Domain forever
01:40 Some registries increased pricing by 30 times
02:40 Forever domain - permanent registration
03:28 Available for most domain names
04:00 You buy it, you own it
04:05 Domain as an estate
05:02 Transfer your domain and own it forever for fixed price
05:30 .com forever only for 420$
05:55 Forever hosting, forever domain, forever Site.pro
07:10 Be sure your domain price will not increase unpredictably
08:15 Registy, Registrar, ICANN, stakeholders recognise the idea of Forever
10:00 Epik.com sell and lease your domains
 
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Just because Epik screwed up with "escrow", doesn't make the whole idea of escrow bad. And the same goes for "perpetual" registrations.

If done properly, it could have been a valuable and solid service. All collected funds should be placed in an investment account that cannot be commingled with the other funds. The investments should be low-mid risk with regular returns that can cover both the renewals and the potential price increases. For instance, you can buy an existing strip mall for 7% cap rate. If you are collecting $400 upfront and investing into something like that, you are assured of $28/year that would cover the renewals and the risks associated with price increases.
Epik screwed up with a lot more than just "escrow".

But even as far as escrow goes, they are unlicensed and using some internal token.
That is not an escrow service. They can't even provide escrow services in their home state.

As far as "forever" registrations go it is just Epik's model that sucks.
The problems were pointed out by me and others at the time.

Without the registry on board all you are paying for is a promise.
That promise is only as good as the company making it.

If the registry was on board, that is a different story.

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Without the registry on board all you are paying for is a promise.
Correct. "You buy it, you own it" was not really a bright statement by Rob Monster. He certainly knew that wasn't the case.
 
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Oct 24, 2018

Rob Monster, Epik.com Founder and CEO and Filip Borcov, Site.pro CEO discussing about Domains Lifehack: Buy Domain Forever.

During the 63rd convocation of global domain industry regulator, ICANN in Barcelona, perpetual domain ownership achieved an important milestone as Seattle-based Epik.com became the first domain name registrar to offer perpetual domain registrations for hundreds of popular domain extensions. Although perpetual registrations are not yet available for every domain extension, a growing number of popular domain extensions can now be secured perpetually for a one-time fee.


00:00 Rob Monster, Founder and CEO, Epik.com
01:00 A Domain forever
01:40 Some registries increased pricing by 30 times
02:40 Forever domain - permanent registration
03:28 Available for most domain names
04:00 You buy it, you own it
04:05 Domain as an estate
05:02 Transfer your domain and own it forever for fixed price
05:30 .com forever only for 420$
05:55 Forever hosting, forever domain, forever Site.pro
07:10 Be sure your domain price will not increase unpredictably
08:15 Registy, Registrar, ICANN, stakeholders recognise the idea of Forever
10:00 Epik.com sell and lease your domains
The way Rob pitches these, to kind of mitigate risk with inflation, prices going up, etc. is dangerously close to an insurance product.

I wonder how the Washington State OIC feels about that. Epik apparently quit offering them, which might be an answer to that question.

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Maybe he should have said: "You buy it, I own it".
 
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Anita Walker

I asked her questions, but these questions disappeared.

"It turned out that Epik committed all possible crimes in domain mining, stole escrow money, and stole thousands of domains. When you worked at Epik, did you know about it? Could the management of Epik commit crimes without the help and knowledge of ordinary employees?"

"In addition, it is strange to read that you are thanking people who turned out to be criminals who ruined the lives of many people."
 

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Should employees who knew about the crimes and participated in them be liable with their property?
 
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