discuss THE CONS OF .COM

[WNC HOLDINGS]

For those who are fond of downvoting, proceed to doing so if you haven’t already. Yes, you read it correctly. We welcome your downvote. Most of what you read post this point will likely be considered unpopular by the “conventional domain investors” who subscribe to “.com tribalism”. With this stated, let’s get the -23 reputation score up to, or past, a record -100.

Now, there’s a simple question we’d like to pose:

WHAT ARE THE CONS OF THE .COM?

It’s apparent that many domain investors live by the “.com only” investment strategy. Whether this is by choice OR not having the courage/ability to endorse something new is what many don’t openly discuss. We’ve noticed that some investors act like a scorned ex when they hear about any extension other than their beloved .com. Some people might call it an obsession; while others might say it’s “normal”. We simply ask “why”?

Does the .com have any greater utility than any other extension? Last we checked, it doesn’t seem to offer too much beyond what other extensions offer. Does being a die-hard endorser of .com mean one can actually “own” the domains they rent at some point? Does “renting” a .com equate to being immune to online censorship? We’re NOT asking for a friend. We’re inquiring for those who’ve “thought it” but didn’t “ask it”.

We want your thoughts on what makes the .com so supreme. The broken record that is “top sales” and “web traffic” aren’t necessary here. Please forgo the “I also have .net, .org and some .xyz’s” counter. There are over 1000+ ICANN TLDs; and we’d like to know why YOU single out one and treat a few others like slot-filling sidekicks. It feels like the .com bubble is haunting the domain investment world. Maybe it’s just a dream though.

Share your thoughts below. Don’t be shy. Show your devotion to the .com and the downvote.

(Smiles)

Chris
WNC HOLDINGS

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Always asking questions. Try and tell a 17 year old and a 70 year old why they need a domain name.
Didn't even know what a domain name was even though they were always visiting one when they hid from camera view. These were macdonalds employees. The domain was facebook.com
Anyways with the domination of google, and everyone knows what google is, right of the dot is not as important. Looking at link from above TY, this web space is so cluttered with .anything it's ridiculous really.
People are flogging eth.this and eth.that and they still have a few eth.NewG left.
Before was .com .net .org .countryCode
.net basically dead, org sites i rarely come across
And the prices people ask for .com and even .xyz like .wtf
Its the tweens and teens, they are learning the New G's They are the future and .com will be here long after you and i, well me anyways no doubt. Some of the New G's will be big. I saw the namebio sales for other day here.
I think around 390 and 310 were the king. Thats 20% piece of pie. It will grow as people's greed grows.
Remember what that verisign woman called us in her blog post
Just google travel.agency and what do you see? I see first hit is travel.agency and its a parked page
I couldn't find it last time i looked, and i looked because i read every post in that thread.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/travel-agency-what-will-it-sell-for.925626/

It really matters more what is left of the dot. Yes 6/10 weekly sales in dn journal were .com but there is a pile of money to be made in other extensions. Just not gonna light it up every week
https://dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
@Alessandro Couteau 2 billion sites online? Then there is more than 2 billion domains registered?

-203 congratulations Chris Reputation is everything. Actually its Preception is Everything Ali said wasn't it

Yes, the majority of people don't know what .xyz is. I am addicted. I eat, sleep and secreet domains.
Always asking questions. Try and tell a 17 year old and a 70 year old why they need a domain name.
Didn't even know what a domain name was even though they were always visiting one when they hid from camera view. These were macdonalds employees. The domain was facebook.com
Anyways with the domination of google, and everyone knows what google is, right of the dot is not as important. Looking at link from above TY, this web space is so cluttered with .anything it's ridiculous really.
People are flogging eth.this and eth.that and they still have a few eth.NewG left.
Before was .com .net .org .countryCode
.net basically dead, org sites i rarely come across
And the prices people ask for .com and even .xyz like .wtf
Its the tweens and teens, they are learning the New G's They are the future and .com will be here long after you and i, well me anyways no doubt. Some of the New G's will be big. I saw the namebio sales for other day here.
I think around 390 and 310 were the king. Thats 20% piece of pie. It will grow as people's greed grows.
Remember what that verisign woman called us in her blog post
Just google travel.agency and what do you see? I see first hit is travel.agency and its a parked page
I couldn't find it last time i looked, and i looked because i read every post in that thread.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/travel-agency-what-will-it-sell-for.925626/

It really matters more what is left of the dot. Yes 6/10 weekly sales in dn journal were .com but there is a pile of money to be made in other extensions. Just not gonna light it up every week
https://dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
@Alessandro Couteau 2 billion sites online? Then there is more than 2 billion domains registered?

-203 congratulations Chris Reputation is everything. Actually its Preception is Everything Ali said wasn't it?

2,000,000,000 sites online with less then 400,000,000 active sites ^

There were 359.8 million registered domain names at the close of 2019's third quarter. There were 5.1 million more domain name registrations over the previous quarter, marking a 1.4 percent increase. (Verisign)

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Declassified report for the four “uneducated” investors whom downvoted my post regarding Verisigns acquisition of .web for $135,000,000 USD

https://www.icann.org/en/system/fil...st-hearing-brief-amicus-curiae-12oct20-en.pdf

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

-398 impact points dont matter. Your a quality dish and this cafe needs more plates like you.
Times are changing and .com will soon be for the rich and famous. Xyz for the rich and .web dont know much about that but I am sure there is a thread or 200 on that extension here. Sorry you got downvoted wherever @Alessandro Couteau
Give those invisible downvotes to me. If my impact ever reaches 0 i will close my acct permanently. We will see what extensions are at the .top of the next dn journal sales repört.

 

[America First]

You can’t truly sell something you’ll never own. (Alt extension or otherwise.) So we guess you have a point. We’re all glorified renters at best leveraging the ability to click “transfer out”.

Don’t forget to click the downvote here a few times before your next portfolio renewal cycle.

Many things to say about this thread but i will try to keep it simple.

First, when you say you can’t “truly sell something you’ll never own” Not a fact!
Money is money, if I sell .com and receive money, it truly sold.
So ya, I sold it, and owned it, ( semantics ) own / rent whatever you wanna call it, im the one that sold it and gets paid. Not the registrar, they sold it to me when they owned it.
Possession / Control is ownership.

Second, you ask for people to come on here to comment and downvote about the cons on Coms and if they do not comply you simply push them to “well there you have it, all bow down the the royal dot com”
Maybe you’re late to the game and are pushing an agenda. But asking OGs to discuss why coms are bad will probably not going to return the answers you want.
I can say that the worst thing (con) about coms is, it’s the go to extension, so in turn it holds the most value. I’ve sold many coms for xxxxxx and my best sale for non coms was xxxxx

Asking newbies that have drank the kool-Aid, and you will get the support you are looking for.

I can post a pro, any many, but here is one.

it’s a Commonly used term (meaning even if everyday people do not know dot com, they still type it in when looking for a website) They do not type in .vegas .co .net .realstate etc…

Finally, asking for me or anyone in each reply to downvote is silly. How about just let people decide if they want to support your stance or not. Starting the thread the way you did is asking for users to not even read it. Fortunately i read it to see how ludicrous this is. And it is

All the best in your treasure hunt for the next com. We’ve seen many wish upon that star

 

[SuperDudePro]

Here is something to get me out of my dot com tribalism. Start posting sales stats that make it tempting to switch from .com. I've made some decent money on non .com domains, but nothing like the amount of sales or amount of $ per sale from dot coms.

To act like I'm a dinosaur because I try to maximize the amount that I sell just makes you sound like someone with an agenda that I don't want to follow. On this board, we have both ends of the extreme. We see xyz sales that I still don't comprehend, but I can try to learn from. On the other end, you have a user who has a new 'great' extension a few times a year. He buys 1000s of them and takes a bath each time. Clearly, it isn't about jumping on bandwagons. You haven't given me anything that would make me consider your path.

 

[MadAboutDomains]

Whether this is by choice OR not having the courage/ability to endorse something new

I think you're mistaking people having courage with people's absolute and UNDENIABLE obsession with hyping up non .coms as if they have replaced .com or will replace .com or that they are a good investment.

Often the argument is just "what's so special about the 3 letters, com? Nothing, so check mate, xyz is a better set of 3 letters"

Even just a WHIFF of negativity, frequently misconcrued by people that can't seem to read properly, is met with either a) absolute belligerence or b) no argument, just anonymous downvotes.

I find great amusement that someone would say that the anonymous downvotes would come from the .COMests - it comes from XYZers and others in the main.

Of course you're going to struggle to convince people that .com isn't a solid investment over all else. The numbers speak for themselves and people don't like change.

It's not like people that like .com are just old fuddy duddies that can't get with the times, were talking about a domain name not some hot tech. They see what works and what doesn't. What is a hard sell and what is an easy sell. We're here to invest, not just sit pushing a gtld under other domainers noses and begging them to accept it as the next big thing.

As investors I see no merit in focusing on trying to change the minds of people that want to buy something (.com) that we know works and that everyone is familiar with just because we took a punt at something different. There is no undeniable merit to most other extensions like there is with .com and your 5 registrations in another tld isn't going to change it in a hurry.

Sure some niches like the new gtlds, if that's the case go with it and get selling, enjoy a niche and make a killing on it, but trying to rag on people to force them to accept it is a bit pointless, you're not going to and that's not investing.

One CON of .com, depending on who you are is that you can't get a good one for cheap. You can get a good new gtld for cheap though, but it's probably not an investment. An investment is something that makes you money.

 

[Domain boy]

What did I just read?

How can you even come with such a title?

I mean I could understand something like 'evaluating pros and cons of owning a .com domain' but 'the cons of .com'? please tell me you're just messing around haha.

 

[domain400]

“conventional domain investors” who subscribe to “.com tribalism”

Nothing tribal about it.
That's what the market demands. That's what people invest in.

If .retard was the dominant TLD, be sure that everybody would buy it instead of .com. Other than that there's nothing special about .com except for the fact that it was the first one to be adopted.

And if we were to go back in time to fix the web, we should have never used www as a prefix, and we should have used .site instead of .com, since it makes much more sense.



And the argument that you don't own the domain because you have to pay an annual fee is like saying that you don't own your car or house because you need to pay property tax.

 

[Joshh71390]

For those who are fond of downvoting, proceed to doing so if you haven’t already. Yes, you read it correctly. We welcome your downvote. Most of what you read post this point will likely be considered unpopular by the “conventional domain investors” who subscribe to “.com tribalism”. With this stated, let’s get the -23 reputation score up to, or past, a record -100.

Now, there’s a simple question we’d like to pose:

WHAT ARE THE CONS OF THE .COM?

It’s apparent that many domain investors live by the “.com only” investment strategy. Whether this is by choice OR not having the courage/ability to endorse something new is what many don’t openly discuss. We’ve noticed that some investors act like a scorned ex when they hear about any extension other than their beloved .com. Some people might call it an obsession; while others might say it’s “normal”. We simply ask “why”?

Does the .com have any greater utility than any other extension? Last we checked, it doesn’t seem to offer too much beyond what other extensions offer. Does being a die-hard endorser of .com mean one can actually “own” the domains they rent at some point? Does “renting” a .com equate to being immune to online censorship? We’re NOT asking for a friend. We’re inquiring for those who’ve “thought it” but didn’t “ask it”.

We want your thoughts on what makes the .com so supreme. The broken record that is “top sales” and “web traffic” aren’t necessary here. Please forgo the “I also have .net, .org and some .xyz’s” counter. There are over 1000+ ICANN TLDs; and we’d like to know why YOU single out one and treat a few others like slot-filling sidekicks. It feels like the .com bubble is haunting the domain investment world. Maybe it’s just a dream though.

Share your thoughts below. Don’t be shy. Show your devotion to the .com and the downvote.

(Smiles)

Chris
WNC HOLDINGS

your missing the point of -> what a domain investor does... -> Why is .com important? because it's the defacto of corporate giants / and the namesake of all things modern internet?

Why do the 1200000 extensions exist? for people to register things outside of .com... that is already taken... So if hotdogs.com is taken and the enduser that I want to sell a domain to is willing to settle for hotdogs.live or hotdogs.xyz or hotdogs.monday -> why would they spend any time or money buying a domain from me when there are 400 other extensions that they can always get their domain from?
The reason that the domain you have is valuable is because of the fact that people want to buy a .com and not a .bargin or .kiwi... Those people will never buy from a second hand user -> because they already tried .com and decided on the godaddy lander what other extension they wanted...
Then probably after a year of explaining to people that the site is not websitekiwi.com its actually website.kiwi they decided to just rebrand to .com

 

[America First]

To act like I'm a dinosaur because I try to maximize the amount that I sell just makes you sound like someone with an agenda that I don't want to follow. On this board, we have both ends of the extreme. We see xyz sales that I still don't comprehend, but I can try to learn from. On the other end, you have a user who has a new 'great' extension a few times a year. He buys 1000s of them and takes a bath each time. Clearly, it isn't about jumping on bandwagons. You haven't given me anything that would make me consider your path.

Facts

please only read if you are bored lol
it was a longer post than expected. Sorry


This is the new world we live in, it’s called the “Social Community Hype Business”

On one hand we have Business leaders that employ and run real people businesses.

On the other hand we have what they now call Social community supported business owners. Keyboard worriors. (Or as i like to say, Lazy, quick money grabbers)

Let me explain the best and most recent example that i had…it’s called NFTs.

Note: I am a multi business owner of brick and mortar, net investments, casino development and memorabilia businesses. Not a domain name dreamer.

I saw in August of 2021 that NFTs (blockchain) is a moving fast business model and I decided with my team to jump on the “Social Hype”
So I took a team of 7 people, 2 from FL, 1 San Fran 4 here in Las Vegas, and said let’s make instant utility NFTs and we will add value to the Art, and reshape what’s becoming a really big business. Non-Fungible Tokens (NFT)

The idea was grand, the product is top of the line, no money was too much to develop, they will be nfts like never seen before, we made 5150 nfts each it’s own 1/1, 3 d, rotating, framed and on the gas fee optimized Ethereum 721A smart contract. I even implemented a CC payment gateway, so that Crypto was not the only way you can pay.
(because the only way before me to own NFTs was via Crypto, buyers like being Anonymous and with crypto you can be anonymous with credit card payment we would know who you are so nobody wanted to take that chance of adding credit card because they thought no one in the crypto world would buy )

I offered both payment options and took the chance, adding another layer of new technology to this fast growing field.
It was so new people could buy and not have to learn crypto, and if you’re a crypto owner you could still pay with crypto and be anonymous I let the buyers choose which way they wanted to pay.

They said Build it and they will Buy it, because as of Oct.2021. No one had utility like this and it was unheard of.

My model was, You buy 1 or our NFTs and you get invited to a 3 day event in Las Vegas, open bar all 3 days, we did a complete buy out of a Casino hotel on the strip, so pool party, djs, clubbing, the works. (think life is beautiful festival but at a casino we did a buy out in, including 200 rooms)

We had levels, buy any 10 nfts and we pay for your room 2 nights 3 days at the event. buy
20 we give you room and pay your airfare, You get the idea. The More you own the more you got.

Now comes the how do we sell, seems easy peesy to me as a business owner, i just spent a ton to give the nft collectors a great value not just some lame no value art that is all hype.
The Best part is, we throw 2 events each year and your 1 (or more) nft is the ticket to these events for life.

Well, that’s when i learn the word
“Social media community building”
90% of all NFTs sell by community building, NOT from being built with utility and regular advertising, like a normal business. But counting on Hype from others, like a pyramid scheme.

So now that means 24/7 me having to pay people that i have now, from holland, Philippines, FL, NY, Tx, CA to be on social media 24/7, it wasn’t cheap, influencers charge big money to sit at home and hype your community. $500 a post, a tweet, 20k a month, 50k for 3 months work at home talking on twitter spaces, it’s insane.
BUT
It worked people got hyped and no “conventional” work was needed, the “drop” (release) of the nfts was in April 2022. At only $300 each this was a no brainer for all they get.
we did a pre drop, and it went great, and just before the public drop…..crypto dropped, nfts dropped, people woke up from under the ether, and realized the ones they had bought from others with NO utility are worth nothing.

It’s BS art and hyped by a social community that just sold to the same people that believed the hype each sold to each other. Newbies were not buying in, so the pyramid they built kept the sales within and eventually 95%of the projects crumbled on their own.

This is how i see new extensions, people start the hype and it last for a year and then everyone goes back Com, it never dips, EVER!

ain my humble opinion and experience (not assuming, or projecting and not for any hidden agenda)
I’ll share with you a real life example.
in Aug last year I sold first mortgage com for $130k, and the buyer was an investor, his list price to sell it the day after escrow closed,

1.5m I knew it was worth more and i could have held out, i had it since the early 90s. I actually listed it on here at one point to try and draw attention to NP if i had gotten a sale. My point is, he didn’t want to invest $20 on a . site .holdings .property ect…. and he is an investor.

That truly says all you need to know about coms. Com is King, and no social hype will ever change that, RC Cola tried to take on Coke-Cola Burger King tried to take on Macdonalds, Kia tried to take on Toyota. Point is, they all know their place, and so will these weak attempts by newbie extensions to bring down King Com.

I been doing this since early 90s, I remember the weeks prior to .info and everyone going crazy called it the NEW Land Rush they said
they sold a ton, $7.99 and with in a year or 2, they were $2.99 and if you had a coupon code, $1.99
No cares about .info all hype no bite.


If you made it this far, Cheers to you.

I Hope i made some sense on the matter.

Francois

***(Just to be clear, we halted the NFT sales with The volatile crypto market currently as is.
We can sit in those assets, we have the metaverse expo the same weekend and they became the presenting sponsor, so it’s sold out, and the event will be next weekend. )

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Facts

please only read if you are bored lol
it was a longer post than expected. Sorry


This is the new world we live in, it’s called the “Social Community Hype Business”

On one hand we have Business leaders that employ and run real people businesses.

On the other hand we have what they now call Social community supported business owners. Keyboard worriors. (Or as i like to say, Lazy, quick money grabbers)

Let me explain the best and most recent example that i had…it’s called NFTs.

Note: I am a multi business owner of brick and mortar, net investments, casino development and memorabilia businesses. Not a domain name dreamer.

I saw in August of 2021 that NFTs (blockchain) is a moving fast business model and I decided with my team to jump on the “Social Hype”
So I took a team of 7 people, 2 from FL, 1 San Fran 4 here in Las Vegas, and said let’s make instant utility NFTs and we will add value to the Art, and reshape what’s becoming a really big business. Non-Fungible Tokens (NFT)

The idea was grand, the product is top of the line, no money was too much to develop, they will be nfts like never seen before, we made 5150 nfts each it’s own 1/1, 3 d, rotating, framed and on the gas fee optimized Ethereum 721A smart contract. I even implemented a CC payment gateway, so that Crypto was not the only way you can pay.
(because the only way before me to own NFTs was via Crypto, buyers like being Anonymous and with crypto you can be anonymous with credit card payment we would know who you are so nobody wanted to take that chance of adding credit card because they thought no one in the crypto world would buy )

I offered both payment options and took the chance, adding another layer of new technology to this fast growing field.
It was so new people could buy and not have to learn crypto, and if you’re a crypto owner you could still pay with crypto and be anonymous I let the buyers choose which way they wanted to pay.

They said Build it and they will Buy it, because as of Oct.2021. No one had utility like this and it was unheard of.

My model was, You buy 1 or our NFTs and you get invited to a 3 day event in Las Vegas, open bar all 3 days, we did a complete buy out of a Casino hotel on the strip, so pool party, djs, clubbing, the works. (think life is beautiful festival but at a casino we did a buy out in, including 200 rooms)

We had levels, buy any 10 nfts and we pay for your room 2 nights 3 days at the event. buy
20 we give you room and pay your airfare, You get the idea. The More you own the more you got.

Now comes the how do we sell, seems easy peesy to me as a business owner, i just spent a ton to give the nft collectors a great value not just some lame no value art that is all hype.
The Best part is, we throw 2 events each year and your 1 (or more) nft is the ticket to these events for life.

Well, that’s when i learn the word
“Social media community building”
90% of all NFTs sell by community building, NOT from being built with utility and regular advertising, like a normal business. But counting on Hype from others, like a pyramid scheme.

So now that means 24/7 me having to pay people that i have now, from holland, Philippines, FL, NY, Tx, CA to be on social media 24/7, it wasn’t cheap, influencers charge big money to sit at home and hype your community. $500 a post, a tweet, 20k a month, 50k for 3 months work at home talking on twitter spaces, it’s insane.
BUT
It worked people got hyped and no “conventional” work was needed, the “drop” (release) of the nfts was in April 2022. At only $300 each this was a no brainer for all they get.
we did a pre drop, and it went great, and just before the public drop…..crypto dropped, nfts dropped, people woke up from under the ether, and realized the ones they had bought from others with NO utility are worth nothing.

It’s BS art and hyped by a social community that just sold to the same people that believed the hype each sold to each other. Newbies were not buying in, so the pyramid they built kept the sales within and eventually 95%of the projects crumbled on their own.

This is how i see new extensions, people start the hype and it last for a year and then everyone goes back Com, it never dips, EVER!

ain my humble opinion and experience (not assuming, or projecting and not for any hidden agenda)
I’ll share with you a real life example.
in Aug last year I sold first mortgage com for $130k, and the buyer was an investor, his list price to sell it the day after escrow closed,

1.5m I knew it was worth more and i could have held out, i had it since the early 90s. I actually listed it on here at one point to try and draw attention to NP if i had gotten a sale. My point is, he didn’t want to invest $20 on a . site .holdings .property ect…. and he is an investor.

That truly says all you need to know about coms. Com is King, and no social hype will ever change that, RC Cola tried to take on Coke-Cola Burger King tried to take on Macdonalds, Kia tried to take on Toyota. Point is, they all know their place, and so will these weak attempts by newbie extensions to bring down King Com.

I been doing this since early 90s, I remember the weeks prior to .info and everyone going crazy called it the NEW Land Rush they said
they sold a ton, $7.99 and with in a year or 2, they were $2.99 and if you had a coupon code, $1.99
No cares about .info all hype no bite.


If you made it this far, Cheers to you.

I Hope i made some sense on the matter.

Francois

***(Just to be clear, we halted the NFT sales with The volatile crypto market currently as is.
We can sit in those assets, we have the metaverse expo the same weekend and they became the presenting sponsor, so it’s sold out, and the event will be next weekend. )

A few things you’re correct about ^ a few things you’re not, and that is alright, you’re a business owner and an investor, you live and you learn

I’m not an expert by any means, I’ve brokered many .com names, spent over 10 years in the industry, spoken to some of the biggest names in the industry, and I’ve even debated the king himself ...

~

That leads me to my next point,

The idea behind new .extensions was executed on behalf of ICANN to establish further space for new businesses’ and investors to enter the market ^

You say you’ve been doing this since the 90’s - so you should understand very well then how the Internet was downplayed by the majority, people didn’t understand it, they thought the idea was ridiculous, but some people did understand it and those that did made a fortune with it ^

Very much the same case could be said for Blockbuster who laughed at the idea of Netflix wanting to sell their company for $50,000,000 ^ and Blockbuster thought the idea of streaming movies online was ridiculous so they passed, laughed Netflix out the door ... hell, there are countless examples of investors and businesses owners failing to recognize that which is right in front of them

And to you, I understand, it’s difficult to see time ^ however I can assure you, that new .extensions, prime GTLDs will have their place and have already demonstrated their value ^ we have already seen a 10,000 % + ROI on the .xyz extension when Daniel Negari was selling names for pennies and now investors like Swetha are commanding the market with $50K - $100K + sales

And look at the enduser market, you mentioned FirstMortgage @ $160K with an immediate BIN replaced at $1.5M after sale ... the name is still for sale, same for cats.com ai.com 123.com - all names I represented as a domain broker ...

Will they sell ? Yes, with time ^ same case for prime GTLD examples

At the end of the day ^ the most important thing, is to invest in good names, names that make sense in valuable industries,

Examples of “great names” with both GTLD .extensions and TLD .extensions

https://bitcoin.com

https://bitcoin.org (the original)

https://ethereum.com

https://ethereum.org (the original)

https://mortgage.com (citi bank)
-
https://mortgage.loans

https://mortgage.biz (citi bank)

https://ecredit.com (moodys corp)
-
https://e.credit

https://twitch.com (type it in)

https://twitch.tv

 

[America First]

A few things you’re correct about ^ a few things you’re not, and that is alright, you’re a business owner and an investor, you live and you learn

I’m not an expert by any means, I’ve brokered many .com names, spent over 10 years in the industry, spoken to some of the biggest names in the industry, and I’ve even debated the king himself ...

~

That leads me to my next point,

The idea behind new .extensions was executed on behalf of ICANN to establish further space for new businesses’ and investors to enter the market ^

You say you’ve been doing this since the 90’s - so you should understand very well then how the Internet was downplayed by the majority, people didn’t understand it, they thought the idea was ridiculous, but some people did understand it and those that did made a fortune with it ^

Very much the same case could be said for Blockbuster who laughed at the idea of Netflix wanting to sell their company for $50,000,000 ^ and Blockbuster thought the idea of streaming movies online was ridiculous so they passed, laughed Netflix out the door ... hell, there are countless examples of investors and businesses owners failing to recognize that which is right in front of them

And to you, I understand, it’s difficult to see time ^ however I can assure you with the utmost understanding, that new .extensions, prime GTLDs will have their place ^ we have already seen a 10,000 % ROI on the .xyz extension when Daniel Negari was selling names for pennies and now investors like Swetha are commanding the market with $50K - $100K + sales

And look at the enduser market, you mentioned FirstMortgage @ $160K with an immediate BIN replaced at $1.5M after sale ... the name is still for sale, same for cats.com ai.com 123.com - all names I represented as a domain broker ...

Will they sell ? Yes, with time ^ same case for prime GTLD examples

At the end of the day ^ the most important thing, is to invest in good names, names that make sense in valuable industries,

Examples of “great names” with both GTLD .extensions and TLD .extensions

https://mortgage.com
-
https://mortgage.loans

https://ecredit.com
-
https://e.credit

Thanks for the reply, the point of the OP is to give Cons on Com.
I however due not subscribe to the notion that .com has “Cons” I gave one “con” , they cost more for endusers. That’s all i could come up with.

You said i’m right and wrong, it’s business and we learn, i agree.

I just wish you would have pointed out what i may have mis spoke about, I posted……

gtlds, are what they are RC Cola, and as i stated, they know it and have their place. Never did i say they did not, However i did say they are not what com is and never will be. IMHO

i can agree with you on some points and maybe i can point out some things you posted that can be challenged.

Specifically, Brokering.
Discussing this thread from your position is Hypocritical, you don’t pay the reg fee he claims is a “rental fee” to broker domains. Yet you stand up for ownership domains such as .nft (blockchain one time pay and own lifetime) why does it matter to you? You don’t spend any money “renting” and you look for people you can broker for, that have spent the “rental fee”
(look for my pm)

Second, you mention first mortgage sale incorrectly, it was $130k.(i hope i did not write $160k), if so, my bad)

While saying it’s still for sale…..Let me explain..
We had it since the 90s and *sold it in aug 2021, that took 25years. The buyer has had it less than a year and you say it’s still for sale for 1.5 you’re correct, if it had been a easy flip for more don’t you think i would have held out

25+ years, (and with use) $130k was the offer, that’s from a starting offer of 75k when i was at 250k ended at 130k after negotiations.
So pointing out it’s still for-sale is pointless. It could be years before it trades hands again.

Where i disagree with you….
Unfortunately if my company is Mortage .loans
my company Is losing out to customer on the daily to Mortgage com…why? because normal everyday people don’t know about .loans but without a thought in their mind, they type dot com.
You don’t seem to agree with that, you are a broker, is this not a selling point you make daily when selling coms?

Cheers!!!


*(it was sold via a broker)

 

[WNC HOLDINGS]

A few things you’re correct about ^ a few things you’re not, and that is alright, you’re a business owner and an investor, you live and you learn

I’m not an expert by any means, I’ve brokered many .com names, spent over 10 years in the industry, spoken to some of the biggest names in the industry, and I’ve even debated the king himself ...

~

That leads me to my next point,

The idea behind new .extensions was executed on behalf of ICANN to establish further space for new businesses’ and investors to enter the market ^

You say you’ve been doing this since the 90’s - so you should understand very well then how the Internet was downplayed by the majority, people didn’t understand it, they thought the idea was ridiculous, but some people did understand it and those that did made a fortune with it ^

Very much the same case could be said for Blockbuster who laughed at the idea of Netflix wanting to sell their company for $50,000,000 ^ and Blockbuster thought the idea of streaming movies online was ridiculous so they passed, laughed Netflix out the door ... hell, there are countless examples of investors and businesses owners failing to recognize that which is right in front of them

And to you, I understand, it’s difficult to see time ^ however I can assure you, that new .extensions, prime GTLDs will have their place and have already demonstrated their value ^ we have already seen a 10,000 % + ROI on the .xyz extension when Daniel Negari was selling names for pennies and now investors like Swetha are commanding the market with $50K - $100K + sales

And look at the enduser market, you mentioned FirstMortgage @ $160K with an immediate BIN replaced at $1.5M after sale ... the name is still for sale, same for cats.com ai.com 123.com - all names I represented as a domain broker ...

Will they sell ? Yes, with time ^ same case for prime GTLD examples

At the end of the day ^ the most important thing, is to invest in good names, names that make sense in valuable industries,

Examples of “great names” with both GTLD .extensions and TLD .extensions

https://bitcoin.com

https://bitcoin.org

https://ethereum.com

https://ethereum.org

https://mortgage.com
-
https://mortgage.loans

https://ecredit.com
-
https://e.credit

https://twitch.com

https://twitch.tv

Thank you so much for taking valuable time to make some EXTREMELY strong points in this post. The Netflix and Blockbuster reference was a spot-on example of why we believe some of the viewpoints expressed in this thread point to a concerning domain investing culture. If it doesn’t evolve for the better, it may lead to the demise of domain investing in general.

Please consider the following:

-NEVER, in the lifespan of this thread, have we ever stated .com wasn’t “A king”.

-We’ve made it clear that we rent .com’s like everyone here. So, we’re clearly not anti-.com.

-Our expressed views have always stayed on key with endorsing a “better” .com utility.

-Notice, we’re never deemed a single TLD extension, blockchain or else, as “THE king”.

We openly invited/accepted the downvotes because this discussion is deeper than having a “popular perspective” in this forum. It’s about what the current investing culture means for a new generation of investors who may gravitate toward extension tribalism due to the example set here. Yes, we understand the views here don’t represent the entire investor community. However, it’s concerning to read the disdain for any other viewpoint that doesn’t explicitly say “.com is king” and “better is bull crap”.

Kudos to you, and the handful of others, who see through the smoke of aggressive views. You’ve factored the history of brands/ideas that changed the rules in the face of naysayers. We feel it’s important to second your point by quoting you below:

“Will they sell ? Yes, with time ^ same case for prime GTLD examples

At the end of the day ^ the most important thing, is to invest in good names, names that make sense in valuable industries,

Examples of “great names” with both GTLD .extensions and TLD .extensions…”

THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR FORESIGHT. What’s the biggest con of .com?

A certain mentality that endorses it.

Thank you again.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

Thanks for the reply, the point of the OP is to give Cons on Com.
I however due not subscribe to the notion that .com has “Cons” I gave one “con” , they cost more for endusers. That’s all i could come up with.

You said i’m right and wrong, it’s business and we learn, i agree.

I just wish you would have pointed out what i may have mis spoke about, I posted……

gtlds, are what they are RC Cola, and as i stated, they know it and have their place. Never did i say they did not, However i did say they are not what com is and never will be. IMHO

i can agree with you on some points and maybe i can point out some things you posted that can be challenged.

Specifically, Brokering.
Discussing this thread from your position is Hypocritical, you don’t pay the reg fee he claims is a “rental fee” to broker domains. Yet you stand up for ownership domains such as .nft (blockchain one time pay and own lifetime) why does it matter to you? You don’t spend any money “renting” and you look for people you can broker for, that have spent the “rental fee”
(look for my pm)

Second, you mention first mortgage sale incorrectly, it was $130k.(i hope i did not write $160k), if so, my bad)

While saying it’s still for sale…..Let me explain..
We had it since the 90s and *sold it in aug 2021, that took 25years. The buyer has had it less than a year and you say it’s still for sale for 1.5 you’re correct, if it had been a easy flip for more don’t you think i would have held out

25+ years, (and with use) $130k was the offer, that’s from a starting offer of 75k when i was at 250k ended at 130k after negotiations.
So pointing out it’s still for-sale is pointless. It could be years before it trades hands again.

Where i disagree with you….
Unfortunately if my company is Mortage .loans
my company Is losing out to customer on the daily to Mortgage com…why? because normal everyday people don’t know about .loans but without a thought in their mind, they type dot com.
You don’t seem to agree with that, you are a broker, is this not a selling point you make daily when selling coms?

Cheers!!!


*(it was sold via a broker)

I believe that “good names” in general cost money and it should not surprise anyone,

Of course the cost to own a good name will be more expensive ^ it does not matter the .extension,

<

Here’s an example,

Shopify acquired https://shop.app for $200,000 USD ^

https://shopapp.com on the other hand, if it was a name in the appraisal section here, many “pro” investors would say the valuation stands between $X,XXX (mid) to $XX,XXX (low) ...

Meanwhile https://shop.app is ranking more then 400% above https://shopapp.com ^ thus proving something many of us already know; search engines do not rank business’ by their domain .extensions ^

And so you’re a pro .com investor, you know the price to hand register a .com domain ^ $8.39 (2022) a number that has been increasing by 7% annually ... not that it matters, it’s a business expense and less then a cup of coffee for a week ... however to pro .com investors we hear this constant complaining of rising renewal rates ... I truly believe this notion ^ is not just relevant to .com domains, however the extreme renewal prices for certain names with certain .extensions ... And with that said, as investors we want the best ROI, the best deal for our buck ... and in turn ^ these wild renewal prices on certain .extensions deter some investors

Given that .com has generated results for the last 35 years ^ it has been crowned as “king” whilst pro .com investors have done everything in their power to bring down the value of GTLDs

Don’t believe it ? Couple examples,

Look at how SEDO does not allow GTLD domain submissions to their Great Domain Auction unless you own the registry for that .extension * but if you own a good .com domain, feel free to submit all you want ^ that is direct manipulation of the domain industry and market as a whole ... and it’s not that GTLDs aren’t holding their own, when .club submitted names, we saw some nice results

Look at how Rick Schwartz bought https://flowers.mobi for $200K ... this was a huge deal ^ as it was the first time we saw a pro .com investor invest big money into a GTLD and then, he sold that name and took a 97% loss in a period of four years ... he had the $ ... would you take a 97% loss on something if you didn’t have to ?

As a business owner, you know exactly what I’m talking about here ^ it would only be more clear if painted in red paint (and) look at who owns the name now, ^ 1800 flowers ...

~

Part 2

I do not support blockchain domains ... .NFT or any other .extension that is not DNS recognized ... These are not investments ... I only invest in and support DNS recognized and ICANN authorized domain names or names that are both ENS and DNS recognized such as .xyz (only domain .extension) with that power ...

~

I do not broker names anymore, my business partner and I have made a few exceptional investments and I represent what we own, period.

On your point of sale ^ of course good names take time, but I will not say just by owning a good .com domain, that you’re going to sell it for a fortune, I knew this after The Blue Man group passed on the chance to own https://blue.com ... I knew this after Southwest Airlines offered me $100,000 to own https://sw.com ... that same name sold in China within the year for half a million ...

If you want “good money” for your “good domains” you need patience, persistence, and determination

~

Part 3

No, simply no ^ from my experience and my knowledge on the industry, consumers aren’t stupid, especially this current generation are using and utilizing domains with new .extensions ^ it’s only going to grow more common and common as the days go by,

Hence I was discussing the element of

Time

I can list many examples why this is the case, if you add me on LinkedIn we can discuss this further in depth,

15 years ago I might’ve agreed with you

 

[Tepnu]

For those who are fond of downvoting, proceed to doing so if you haven’t already. Yes, you read it correctly. We welcome your downvote. Most of what you read post this point will likely be considered unpopular by the “conventional domain investors” who subscribe to “.com tribalism”. With this stated, let’s get the -23 reputation score up to, or past, a record -100.

Now, there’s a simple question we’d like to pose:

WHAT ARE THE CONS OF THE .COM?

It’s apparent that many domain investors live by the “.com only” investment strategy. Whether this is by choice OR not having the courage/ability to endorse something new is what many don’t openly discuss. We’ve noticed that some investors act like a scorned ex when they hear about any extension other than their beloved .com. Some people might call it an obsession; while others might say it’s “normal”. We simply ask “why”?

Does the .com have any greater utility than any other extension? Last we checked, it doesn’t seem to offer too much beyond what other extensions offer. Does being a die-hard endorser of .com mean one can actually “own” the domains they rent at some point? Does “renting” a .com equate to being immune to online censorship? We’re NOT asking for a friend. We’re inquiring for those who’ve “thought it” but didn’t “ask it”.

We want your thoughts on what makes the .com so supreme. The broken record that is “top sales” and “web traffic” aren’t necessary here. Please forgo the “I also have .net, .org and some .xyz’s” counter. There are over 1000+ ICANN TLDs; and we’d like to know why YOU single out one and treat a few others like slot-filling sidekicks. It feels like the .com bubble is haunting the domain investment world. Maybe it’s just a dream though.

Share your thoughts below. Don’t be shy. Show your devotion to the .com and the downvote.

(Smiles)

Chris
WNC HOLDINGS

Okey forgot about others,
If I offered you two domains and asked one to choose , one is wnc.com , and other one is wnc.company , what will be your first option ,

There are some weird extensions ,
Like .dot , .sucks .wtf , if you find any practical use of the extensions , please tell us

 

[America First]

I believe that “good names” in general cost money and it should not surprise anyone,

Of course the cost to own a good name will be more expensive ^ it does not matter the .extension,

<

Here’s an example,

Shopify acquired https://shop.app for $200,000 USD ^

https://shopapp.com on the other hand, if it was a name in the appraisal section here, many “pro” investors would say the valuation stands between $X,XXX (mid) to $XX,XXX (low) ...

Meanwhile https://shop.app is ranking more then 400% above https://shopapp.com ^ thus proving something many of us already know; search engines do not rank business’ by their domain .extensions ^

And so you’re a pro .com investor, you know the price to hand register a .com domain ^ $8.39 (2022) a number that has been increasing by 7% annually ... not that it matters, it’s a business expense and less then a cup of coffee for a week ... however to pro .com investors we hear this constant complaining of rising renewal rates ... I truly believe this notion ^ is not just relevant to .com domains, however the extreme renewal prices for certain names with certain .extensions ... And with that said, as investors we want the best ROI, the best deal for our buck ... and in turn ^ these wild renewal prices on certain .extensions deter some investors

Given that .com has generated results for the last 35 years ^ it has been crowned as “king” whilst pro .com investors have done everything in their power to bring down the value of GTLDs

Don’t believe it ? Couple examples,

Look at how SEDO does not allow GTLD domain submissions to their Great Domain Auction unless you own the registry for that .extension * but if you own a good .com domain, feel free to submit all you want ^ that is direct manipulation of the domain industry and market as a whole ... and it’s not that GTLDs aren’t holding their own, when .club submitted names, we saw some nice results

Look at how Rick Schwartz bought https://flowers.mobi for $200K ... this was a huge deal ^ as it was the first time we saw a pro .com investor invest big money into a GTLD and then, he sold that name and took a 97% loss in a period of four years ... he had the $ ... would you take a 97% loss on something if you didn’t have to ?

As a business owner, you know exactly what I’m talking about here ^ it would only be more clear if painted in red paint (and) look at who owns the name now, ^ 1800 flowers ...

~

Part 2

I do not support blockchain domains ... .NFT or any other .extension that is not DNS recognized ... These are not investments ... I only invest in and support DNS recognized and ICANN authorized domain names or names that are both ENS and DNS recognized such as .xyz (only domain .extension) with that power ...

~

I do not broker names anymore, my business partner and I have made a few exceptional investments and I represent what we own, period.

On your point of sale ^ of course good names take time, but I will not say just by owning a good .com domain, that you’re going to sell it for a fortune, I knew this after The Blue Man group passed on the chance to own https://blue.com ... I knew this after Southwest Airlines offered me $100,000 to own https://sw.com ... that same name sold in China within the year for half a million ...

If you want “good money” for your “good domains” you need patience, persistence, and determination

~

Part 3

No, simply no ^ from my experience and my knowledge on the industry, consumers aren’t stupid, especially this current generation are using and utilizing domains with new .extensions ^ it’s only going to grow more common and common as the days go by,

Hence I was discussing the element of

Time

I can list many examples why this is the case, if you add me on LinkedIn we can discuss this further in depth,

15 years ago I might’ve agreed with you

First i think the pro and expert term are thrown around to easy. I would consider myself knowledgeable and a self aware investor. That’s why i don’t use those terms, my success doesn’t not define my title. I’m neither.

This debate has grown new legs and i truly have zero interest. I’ll stand by my analogy, and stick with it. RC Cola is no Coke-Cola. Never was never will be.

I am posting to two like minded partners and it’s ok, but i feel i’m being pitched to accept gtlds and i do, but i don’t subscribe to buying them over a dot com, not that you said that. That’s just my stance, nor do i see the value the same as com. In fact i have a few gtlds, live pd .tv - sportsbook .center - LVNV .us im sure a few more out of the 600.

The 97% loss you speak of with RS, kinda answers all the pro com advocates on here you said he paid 200k sold for 6k lol for Flowers .mobi
My advice on that is twofold, don’t buy at $200k and if you do, don’t sell for $6k

And again, IMHO i would not take the domain evaluation of NP members as gospel. In the past 18 years i have been on here i have seen appraisals, for $x to $xxx sell for xxxxx after being told xx.

We can have the debate and speak our facts and opinions and not agree.
Best of Luck!

 

[bmugford]

I thought of another con. If you own a good .COM it can make other people jealous or feel inadequate about their domain.

Brad

 

[America First]

I thought of another con. If you own a good .COM it can make other people jealous or feel inadequate about their domain.

Brad

hahahhahaha
Facts!!!!

 

[Joshh71390]

I believe that “good names” in general cost money and it should not surprise anyone,

Of course the cost to own a good name will be more expensive ^ it does not matter the .extension,

<

Here’s an example,

Shopify acquired https://shop.app for $200,000 USD ^

https://shopapp.com on the other hand, if it was a name in the appraisal section here, many “pro” investors would say the valuation stands between $X,XXX (mid) to $XX,XXX (low) ...

Meanwhile https://shop.app is ranking more then 400% above https://shopapp.com ^ thus proving something many of us already know; search engines do not rank business’ by their domain .extensions ^

And so you’re a pro .com investor, you know the price to hand register a .com domain ^ $8.39 (2022) a number that has been increasing by 7% annually ... not that it matters, it’s a business expense and less then a cup of coffee for a week ... however to pro .com investors we hear this constant complaining of rising renewal rates ... I truly believe this notion ^ is not just relevant to .com domains, however the extreme renewal prices for certain names with certain .extensions ... And with that said, as investors we want the best ROI, the best deal for our buck ... and in turn ^ these wild renewal prices on certain .extensions deter some investors

Given that .com has generated results for the last 35 years ^ it has been crowned as “king” whilst pro .com investors have done everything in their power to bring down the value of GTLDs

Don’t believe it ? Couple examples,

Look at how SEDO does not allow GTLD domain submissions to their Great Domain Auction unless you own the registry for that .extension * but if you own a good .com domain, feel free to submit all you want ^ that is direct manipulation of the domain industry and market as a whole ... and it’s not that GTLDs aren’t holding their own, when .club submitted names, we saw some nice results

Look at how Rick Schwartz bought https://flowers.mobi for $200K ... this was a huge deal ^ as it was the first time we saw a pro .com investor invest big money into a GTLD and then, he sold that name and took a 97% loss in a period of four years ... he had the $ ... would you take a 97% loss on something if you didn’t have to ?

As a business owner, you know exactly what I’m talking about here ^ it would only be more clear if painted in red paint (and) look at who owns the name now, ^ 1800 flowers ...

~

Part 2

I do not support blockchain domains ... .NFT or any other .extension that is not DNS recognized ... These are not investments ... I only invest in and support DNS recognized and ICANN authorized domain names or names that are both ENS and DNS recognized such as .xyz (only domain .extension) with that power ...

~

I do not broker names anymore, my business partner and I have made a few exceptional investments and I represent what we own, period.

On your point of sale ^ of course good names take time, but I will not say just by owning a good .com domain, that you’re going to sell it for a fortune, I knew this after The Blue Man group passed on the chance to own https://blue.com ... I knew this after Southwest Airlines offered me $100,000 to own https://sw.com ... that same name sold in China within the year for half a million ...

If you want “good money” for your “good domains” you need patience, persistence, and determination

~

Part 3

No, simply no ^ from my experience and my knowledge on the industry, consumers aren’t stupid, especially this current generation are using and utilizing domains with new .extensions ^ it’s only going to grow more common and common as the days go by,

Hence I was discussing the element of

Time

I can list many examples why this is the case, if you add me on LinkedIn we can discuss this further in depth,

15 years ago I might’ve agreed with you

not disagreeing with everything you say here.. however your saying shop.app is the same as shopapp.com -> i think you should compare it instead to shop.com... a one word domain vs a one word domain...

 

[America First]

not disagreeing with everything you say here.. however your saying shop.app is the same as shopapp.com -> i think you should compare it instead to shop.com... a one word domain vs a one word domain...

This would be the proper way to gauge.
When debates don’t compare apples to apples it’s no longer a debate of facts but an one sided opinion.

 

[karmaco]

Nobody is saying non com can’t sell. They can and do in much smaller quantity. The issue here for any company that really wants to be taken seriously nine times out of ten wants the com.

Who is buying the other extensions? Those who can’t afford a com. Or are too cheap to acquire or its being used by another company. End of Story.

They often come back later when they can afford the com version. But alt extensions are rarely a first choice. They are something people settle on when the com is out of reach.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

This would be the proper way to gauge.
When debates don’t compare apples to apples it’s no longer a debate of facts but an one sided opinion.

not disagreeing with everything you say here.. however your saying shop.app is the same as shopapp.com -> i think you should compare it instead to shop.com... a one word domain vs a one word domain...

If “Alexa” was still a thing, I’d gladly invite you to look up the Alexa rank of both,

https://shop.app

&

https://shop.com

~

The ranking isn’t even close ^ In fact if I told you that https://shop.app was ranking by 300% over https://shop.com you would probably fall out of your chair

For the purposes of supporting my argument, I will further explain this and provide another example that I also believe is significant

~

93% of all web traffic is via a search engine. The average CTR for the first position on a Google search query is 19.3%. 46% of all Google searches are linked to something local. 98% of all internet users use a conventional search engine at least once a month.

~

And so let’s look at another random example - https://block.com and https://block.xyz ^ quite possibly the most controversial example that will prove I know what I’m talking about,

Block.com / 96% Bounce Rate ... Ouch
(Visited just before)
22.2% linkedin.com
(Visited right after)
25.9% google.com
25.9% instagram.com

~

Block.xyz / 45.8% Bounce Rate
(Visited just before)
26.1% twitter.com
13.7% google.com
11.1% squareup.com
3.92% linkedin.com
(Visited right after)
24.7% twitter.com
16.9% google.com
9.74% tidal.com
7.14% squareup.com

~ (December 2021) ~

Block.xyz - Alexa Rank - # 112,371

Block.com - Alexa Rank - # 547,189

Ranking 500% above the .com example ^

~

(Also announced) Square owns Spiral.xyz

Spiral.xyz - Alexa Rank - # 412,040

Spiral.com - Alexa Rank - not even ranking

~

And so now you say, wow Alessandro those are a lot of numbers, but couldn’t it just be the fact that Shopify obviously has a more large marketing budget and so does Square aka https://cash.app or https://cash.me or https://block.xyz

Certainly ^ you could argue that point, what I will argue is the advancement of the internet and the web3 space ^ which is having to constantly change and formulate ways for new business’ (.com) or (.whatever) to exist ^

I also do not believe it to be a coincidence that Fortune 500 companies including (but not limited to) Google, and Amazon are using shell companies to invest in new .extensions ^ and or are buying out applications by the bulk @ $175,000 a piece, that’s a considerable amount of $ for anyone to waste on a “hunch”

It’s because it’s not a hunch, look at where we have gotten in just 35 years, 1.88B sites and growing ^^^ another ten years at a rapid growth given the introduction and rise of crypto, ai, vr, nfts, defi, ar, etc. etc. etc.

Take a look in your spare time > will give you a much more clear idea of what we can anticipate ^ from what I said above,

https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db

 

[MadAboutDomains]

If “Alexa” was still a thing, I’d gladly invite you to look up the Alexa rank of both,

https://shop.app

&

https://shop.com

~

The ranking isn’t even close ^ In fact if I told you that https://shop.app was ranking by 300% over https://shop.com you would probably fall out of your chair

Kind've irrelevant. We're looking at domains from an investment perspective. Shop.app is operated by a behemoth.

 

[Alessandro Couteau]

First i think the pro and expert term are thrown around to easy. I would consider myself knowledgeable and a self aware investor. That’s why i don’t use those terms, my success doesn’t not define my title. I’m neither.

This debate has grown new legs and i truly have zero interest. I’ll stand by my analogy, and stick with it. RC Cola is no Coke-Cola. Never was never will be.

I am posting to two like minded partners and it’s ok, but i feel i’m being pitched to accept gtlds and i do, but i don’t subscribe to buying them over a dot com, not that you said that. That’s just my stance, nor do i see the value the same as com. In fact i have a few gtlds, live pd .tv - sportsbook .center - LVNV .us im sure a few more out of the 600.

The 97% loss you speak of with RS, kinda answers all the pro com advocates on here you said he paid 200k sold for 6k lol for Flowers .mobi
My advice on that is twofold, don’t buy at $200k and if you do, don’t sell for $6k

And again, IMHO i would not take the domain evaluation of NP members as gospel. In the past 18 years i have been on here i have seen appraisals, for $x to $xxx sell for xxxxx after being told xx.

We can have the debate and speak our facts and opinions and not agree.
Best of Luck!

Pardon me ^ allow me to digest what you’ve written (while you read my example above) ...

~

I see, “interesting” isn’t it ... I didn’t persuade you to purchase those GTLD examples, nor have I persuaded anyone to purchase anything,

But as an investor you decided to own at least one GTLD, and a few more ^ this idea and execution directly proves my point, of a growing space, growing “new” investments, and growing new business’ thus the world wide web continues to grow at an alarming pace, it’s the only reason why Verisign would acquire new .extensions (preparations) for the inevitable.

You need good names though, you keep mentioning the idea of RC Cola and Coca Cola, I see this as a “false” analogy, you cannot give credence to that which has not proven itself / and in your case, that’s the way you see it ^ I believe this is only due to the GTLD names that you’ve registered, no offense - https://sportsbook.center or https://livepd.tv (just) aren’t good examples and https://lvnv.us is a CCTLD

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My father and I alone have generated an 8000% + ROI on our domain names alone over a course period of seven years, all I’ve sold is GTLDs, not massive numbers, however I have proven that something works and that alone creates speculation ^ it is a piece of the pie as we would say, utility is the most important ... can the name be used ? can anyone access it via the www ? does it pass the kiss principle ? is it tied to a valuable industry ...

Lucky me, we have been lucky in our selection of premium GTLD and TLD names / both in .com investments and GTLD investments

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And if you take away anything from this debate, it’s that you shouldn’t let any crown block your vision from the future, normally when you picture a king, he sits in his throne, old, looking down, because he truly believes he does not need to look up until the point that he grows old, and confused as the sunlight beams down on him through stained glass windows

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Put something heavy enough on a mans head and the shadow alone will hide him from anything that is foreign to him,

I found it interesting that you invested in an NFT project, similar to a king witnessing money being thrown at many carts selling the same thing with no utility or investment purpose / the technology is very cool ^ however you have learned, it is not the driving force - I personally don’t invest in NFTs, but I do invest in crypto

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Back to RS, my advice is really simple, this is a bull market filled with corruption and manipulation ^ even those that we want to trust use our trust against us, just look at GoDaddy acquiring Dan ... or how Dan has managed to piss off a few people or look at old characters that we no longer hear from in the industry,

You can argue all you want about the matter, I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that a monkey was chosen as the profile picture of Anunt / who is Anunt ? we’ve never heard from the guy after the news of https://flowers.mobi - not a single time, profile picture of an ape. what a hoot.

And now 1800 flowers owns the name, come on now, do you really believe that Rick would publicly admit a 97% loss on an investment and make it big news, do you really believe that the president of 1800 flowers would hear a domain pitch from a guy with just the name, Anunt ... nonetheless, do with that what you will ^ some will say conspiracy, some will say mistake,

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Absolutely I agree with that assessment, I take all domain appraisals with a grain of salt.

 

[America First]

Kind've irrelevant. We're looking at domains from an investment perspective. Shop.app is operated by a behemoth.

regardless of your stats, end user has to be a factor.

I’ll make it simple for you
, let’s do a poll….members get a choice please vote.
shop .com (thumb up/like vote)
or
Shop.app (downvote)

we can let the votes decide. I’ll start with a like for shop .com