news Covid19-Coronavirus updates and news

[Mister Funsky]

Having relatives and friends scattered all over the globe, I am getting an overload of input (some on the record and some off the record).

My intention for this thread is for community members from around the world to post first hand stories and/or links to information sources that, for the most part, should be reliable.

In my community, just outside a major southeastern city, 'assets' have been placed. Only because I have friends in both high and low places have I heard about some of this. At this point it is only some basic medical supplies that should be equally distributed anyway in preparation for a natural emergency (hurricane/wildfire/etc.).

I will start with posting a link to a site with current data that seems to come from an aggregate of sources and hope others will do the same as they come across similar sites/pages.

Because of the 'typhoid Mary' spread-ability of this disease, I feel we may be in for a really large spread globally which will impact the global economy and through extension, retail domain prices.

One thing is for sure...things will get worse before they get better.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa-coronavirus/

 

[Cal2]

Thanks for the informative posts @bmugford, some good information in them.

CDC: Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die of COVID-19 than people who got shots

© CDC MMWR While cases ticked up among the fully vaccinated as the Delta variant spread across the US, hospitalizations and deaths did not. CDC MMWR

• A new CDC study found unvaccinated Americans were 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19.
• From April to June, they accounted for 95% of cases, 93% of hospitalizations, and 92% of deaths.
• From June to July, they accounted for 82% of cases, 86% of hospitalizations, and 84% of deaths.
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More data released on Friday shows, once again, that unvaccinated people are far more vulnerable to infection, hospitalization, and death from COVID-19 than the fully vaccinated.

A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released on Friday afternoon tracked more than 615,000 COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths across the US from the beginning of April until the middle of July in 13 areas of the country. It is the largest study yet of post-vaccination COVID-cases, hospitalizations, and deaths since Delta emerged in the US.

Across the board, the study found that unvaccinated people made up for the bulk of all cases nationwide, even in the later part of the summer, when the Delta variant was dominant.

During the first period of the study, from April 4 to June 19, unvaccinated people accounted for 95% of cases, 93% of hospitalizations, and 92% of deaths.

Later on, from June 20 to July 17, when the more contagious Delta variant had a stronger foothold in the US, the number of breakthrough cases rose in vaccinated people. But even then, unvaccinated people accounted for 82% of cases, 86% of hospitalizations, and 84% of deaths, meaning the unvaccinated were still far more vulnerable to COVID-19.

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said during a White House COVID-19 briefing on Friday that while more vaccinated Americans were being hospitalized, that figure was nowhere near the number of unvaccinated Americans who were being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19.

In fact, over the past two months, when the Delta variant was responsible for almost every single COVID-19 case, those who were unvaccinated were nearly five times more likely to catch COVID-19, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized, and 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...ople-who-got-shots/ar-AAOj9q3?ocid=uxbndlbing

When one factors in ~5x more likely to catch covid if unvaccinated, and 10x more likely to end up in the hospital if unvaccinated, then it seems the overall likelihood of dying from covid increases from 11x to over 100x, if unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

And if one looks at one's own personal situation - eg. age, gender, overall health, type of job, if covid is high or not in an area - and some of them are going in a negative direction, then the personal likelihood of dying from covid goes beyond the 1% death rate that I've seen people post.

Not everyone has the same likelihood of surviving COVID-19; age, pregnancy, and certain underlying health conditions, such as cardiovascular diseases, respiratory diseases, diabetes, or obesity increase the risk of death

"Lahren claimed that COVID-19 has a survival rate of over 99%. This claim is misleading because the likelihood of dying of COVID-19 varies greatly between individuals, depending on factors such as age or underlying health conditions, as Health Feedback explained in this review.

This table from the CDC shows how the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization and death increases with age. Adults aged between 30 and 39 years old are already four times more likely to die than people aged 18 to 29 years old. The likelihood of dying increases up to 600 times for those aged 85 and older."

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...-to-infection-and-severe-disease-tomi-lahren/

 

[J Sokol]

There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good," Harlan wrote. "On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members. Society based on the rule that each one is a law unto himself would soon be confronted with disorder and anarchy."

Somehow the concept of the common good has gotten lost in this era of MeFirst.

 

[Cal2]

When one factors in ~5x more likely to catch covid if unvaccinated, and 10x more likely to end up in the hospital if unvaccinated, then it seems the overall likelihood of dying from covid increases from 11x to over 100x, if unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

PS - This was more a 'master of the obvious' statement, as the covid death #s between vaccinated and unvaccinated already show it.

But I'm feeling pretty confident the anti-vaxx masters of spin and 2D dimensional thinking will try to use the 11x to support their thinking, agendas.

 

[Cal2]

Somehow the concept of the common good has gotten lost in this era of MeFirst.

Not lost so much as just harder to find(?)

 

[rh2000]

Mask are next to useless. Probably do more harm than good.

 

[bmugford]

Oh look some photo with absolutely no context. No time, no date, no location, no purpose.

They should probably all be wearing masks, but I am guessing all the adults are vaccinated and all the kids look well under 12, so they can't be vaccinated yet.

That is if this is even COVID related. There is no other information, so who knows. It could just as easily be some other thing.

Brad

 

[Cal2]

Oh look some photo with absolutely no context. No time, no date, no location, no purpose.

They should probably all be wearing masks, but I am guessing all the adults are vaccinated and all the kids look well under 12, so they can't be vaccinated yet.

That is if this is even COVID related. There is no other information, so who knows. It could just as easily be some other thing.

Brad

One source explaining image: https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-kathy-hochul-go-maskless-in-a

I didn't double check its accuracy.

 

[mr-x]

TL;DR : Kids who have a .000009% chance of dying of the wuhan virus were required to wear mask, adults were not.

Maybe a better caption would have been FEAR, not Science.

One source explaining image: https://factcheck.thedispatch.com/p/did-kathy-hochul-go-maskless-in-a

I didn't double check its accuracy.

Oh look some photo with absolutely no context. No time, no date, no location, no purpose.

They should probably all be wearing masks, but I am guessing all the adults are vaccinated and all the kids look well under 12, so they can't be vaccinated yet.

That is if this is even COVID related. There is no other information, so who knows. It could just as easily be some other thing.

Brad

 

[rh2000]

Oh look some photo with absolutely no context. No time, no date, no location, no purpose.

They should probably all be wearing masks, but I am guessing all the adults are vaccinated and all the kids look well under 12, so they can't be vaccinated yet.

That is if this is even COVID related. There is no other information, so who knows. It could just as easily be some other thing.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

15 Miami-Dade educators die from COVID-19 in 10 days

https://www.wlwt.com/amp/article/15-miami-dade-educators-die-from-covid-19-in-10-days/37481919

 

[Cal2]

TL;DR : Kids who have a .000009% chance of dying of the wuhan virus were required to wear mask, adults were not.

Maybe a better caption would have been FEAR, not Science.

Bad optics, yes. But there's more to it than a low % chance of kids dying. Unvaccinated kids can be potential covid spreaders worse than hospitalized with covid adults.

Children’s role in spread of virus bigger than thought

In the most comprehensive study of COVID-19 pediatric patients to date, researchers provide critical data showing that children play a larger role in the community spread of COVID-19 than previously thought.

In a study of 192 children ages 0-22, 49 children tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, and an additional 18 children had late-onset, COVID-19-related illness. The infected children were shown to have a significantly higher level of virus in their airways than hospitalized adults in ICUs for COVID-19 treatment, according to Harvard-affiliated Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) and Mass General Hospital for Children (MGHfC).

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...ildren-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

 

[mr-x]

Bad optics, yes. But there's more to it than a low % chance of kids dying. Unvaccinated kids can be potential covid spreaders worse than hospitalized with covid adults.

Children’s role in spread of virus bigger than thought

In the most comprehensive study of COVID-19 pediatric patients to date, researchers provide critical data showing that children play a larger role in the community spread of COVID-19 than previously thought.

In a study of 192 children ages 0-22, 49 children tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, and an additional 18 children had late-onset, COVID-19-related illness. The infected children were shown to have a significantly higher level of virus in their airways than hospitalized adults in ICUs for COVID-19 treatment, according to Harvard-affiliated Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) and Mass General Hospital for Children (MGHfC).

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/st...ildren-as-the-silent-spreaders-of-sars-cov-2/

Cloth mask are worse than nothing. The China virus, even the flu virus will pass through woven material. Add the number of times the mask is touched to adjust it position, chances of being worn many times, you are better off not wearing one.

Procedure mask are made from blown polypropylene and do not have the holes woven fabric has but they do not fit well, are not made to stop viral transmission, only droplets of water expelled when talking or breathing.

The only effective mask is the N95 but that's only effective is properly fitted. If you have facial hear, a proper fit is impossible.

 

[Sutruk]

Cloth mask are worse than nothing. The China virus, even the flu virus will pass through woven material. Add the number of times the mask is touched to adjust it position, chances of being worn many times, you are better off not wearing one.

Cloth masks work better than nothing, of course they must fit correctly to your face. Here you have a link about it:

Effectiveness of Cloth Masks for Protection Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

Abstract

"Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use"

Procedure mask are made from blown polypropylene and do not have the holes woven fabric has but they do not fit well, are not made to stop viral transmission, only droplets of water expelled when talking or breathing.

Enough to wear one to stop you from transmitting the virus through droplets or water expelled and infect everybody around you. And this one also protects you from inhaling high unfiltered amounts of airborne virus. The less number of virus you inhale, the less severe will be the disease if you finally get infected by covid.

The only effective mask is the N95 but that's only effective is properly fitted. If you have facial hear, a proper fit is impossible.

Not the only effective, but the most effective. And yes, it must be properly fitted and if you have beard then it won't work so good.
This one is the best and and has an efficacy of at least 95%.

 

[Cal2]

Cloth mask are worse than nothing. The China virus, even the flu virus will pass through woven material. Add the number of times the mask is touched to adjust it position, chances of being worn many times, you are better off not wearing one.

Procedure mask are made from blown polypropylene and do not have the holes woven fabric has but they do not fit well, are not made to stop viral transmission, only droplets of water expelled when talking or breathing.

The only effective mask is the N95 but that's only effective is properly fitted. If you have facial hear, a proper fit is impossible.

Adding to what Sutruk posted about cloth and procedure masks having an effect:

Massive randomized study is proof that surgical masks limit coronavirus spread, authors say

" “I think a big error would be to read this study and to say, ‘Oh, masks can only prevent 10 percent of symptomatic infections,’ ” Abaluck said. The number would probably be several times higher if masking were universal, he said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...udy-covid-bangladesh/?utm_source=morning_brew

Note: Study is said to still need peer reviewing.

We order medical grade ones from a Canadian manufacturer. Best made, best fitting, most comfortable ones to wear that we've come across so far:

https://benchmarkppe.ca/product/astm-level-1-disposable-3-ply-mask-2/

 

[mr-x]

Cloth masks work better than nothing, of course they must fit correctly to your face. Here you have a link about it:

Effectiveness of Cloth Masks for Protection Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article

Abstract

"Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use"




Enough to wear one to stop you from transmitting the virus through droplets or water expelled and infect everybody around you. And this one also protects you from inhaling high unfiltered amounts of airborne virus. The less number of virus you inhale, the less severe will be the disease if you finally get infected by covid.



Not the only effective, but the most effective. And yes, it must be properly fitted and if you have beard then it won't work so good.
This one is the best and and has an efficacy of at least 95%.

You post false information that has been widely debunked.

Nothing in this diatribe suggest a cloth or procedural mask will stop the China virus that, according the the same source, is much, much smaller than the flu or cold virus.

 

[bmugford]

You post false information that has been widely debunked.

Nothing in this diatribe suggest a cloth or procedural mask will stop the China virus that, according the the same source, is much, much smaller than the flu or cold virus.

LOL. Funny coming from people promoting Ivermectin as an effective treatment for COVID.

Care to link to any peer-reviewed medical studies that show that is the case?

I am also still waiting for you to explain how the unvaccinated minority are making up 95%+ of all COVID hospitalizations and deaths recently. You know, with an answer other than the vaccine is highly effective.

Brad

 

[mr-x]

Adding to what Sutruk posted about cloth and procedure masks having an effect:

Massive randomized study is proof that surgical masks limit coronavirus spread, authors say

" “I think a big error would be to read this study and to say, ‘Oh, masks can only prevent 10 percent of symptomatic infections,’ ” Abaluck said. The number would probably be several times higher if masking were universal, he said."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...udy-covid-bangladesh/?utm_source=morning_brew

Note: Study is said to still need peer reviewing.

We order medical grade ones from a Canadian manufacturer. Best made, best fitting, most comfortable ones to wear that we've come across so far:

https://benchmarkppe.ca/product/astm-level-1-disposable-3-ply-mask-2/

The Washington Post also said Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian hoax and the Steele Dossier was factual.

Corporate media has no hesitation to lie for political purpose. Scientist regularly prostitute themselves to prop up liberal narratives that are later proven to lies.

You don't have to be a PHD to understand children, working adults do not follow sanitary rules required for any mask to be effective.

You can believe what ever you want. I'll think and reason for myself.

 

[mr-x]

LOL. Funny coming from people promoting Ivermectin as an effective treatment for COVID.

Care to link to any peer-reviewed medical studies that show that is the case?

Brad

https://www.google.com/search?q=cnn...hUKEwjMmZffz_jyAhWRFzQIHQqwBFAQ4dUDCAk&uact=5

 

[mr-x]

Amazing to me the same people who were lead down the primrose path with outlandish stories about Trump and Joe Biden... keep quoting stories from the same authors who made them look like gullible fools.

Step out of line and they will immediately try to correct you.

 

[bmugford]

https://www.google.com/search?q=cnn...hUKEwjMmZffz_jyAhWRFzQIHQqwBFAQ4dUDCAk&uact=5

Do you have any idea what a peer-reviewed medical study is? You literally linked to a Google search for "cnn falsely claims rogan using tranquilizer".

It is honestly rather pointless trying to have a debate with people who lack the ability to use reason, logic, understand concepts like empirical vs anecdotal data, correlation vs causation, etc.

All you have are your "beliefs". Keep believing what you want.

COVID doesn't give a shit about your beliefs. It will keep spreading among the unvaccinated.

The empirical data is irrefutable. I noticed you have not even made any attempt to refute it, or explain it in any way other than the vaccine is highly effective.

The number of unvaccinated will keep going down either by getting vaccinated, or Darwinism will take care of the rest.

Brad

 

[mr-x]

https://thecovidblog.com/ivermectin/

 

[mr-x]

LOL. People have been taking it for months.

https://thecovidblog.com/ivermectin/

Do you have any idea what a peer-reviewed medical study is? You literally linked to a Google search for "cnn falsely claims rogan using tranquilizer".

It is honestly rather pointless trying to have a debate with people who lack the ability to use reason, logic, understand concepts like empirical vs anecdotal data, correlation vs causation, etc.

All you have are your "beliefs". Keep believing what you want.

COVID doesn't give a shit about your beliefs. It will keep spreading among the unvaccinated.

The empirical data is irrefutable. I noticed you have not even made any attempt to refute it, or explain it in any way other than the vaccine is highly effective.

The number of unvaccinated will keep going down either by getting vaccinated, or Darwinism will take care of the rest.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

LOL. People have been taking it for months.

https://thecovidblog.com/ivermectin/

Let's try this for maybe the 10th time. Why is the minority that are unvaccinated making up almost all of the COVID hospitalizations and deaths?

Why the massive disconnect in percentages?

Did you care to share an explanation, other than the vaccine being highly effective?

Brad

 

[mr-x]

The liberal intellectual consensus:

1) A virus a factor of 10 smaller than the flu virus can be stopped by a woven cloth mask.

2) Ivermectin with monoclonal antibody infusion is a hoax, the people who have used it are all crazy liars spreading dangerous misinformation.

Can't make this stuff up.

 

[bmugford]

The liberal intellectual consensus:

1) A virus a factor of 10 smaller than the flu virus can be stopped by a woven cloth mask.

2) Ivermectin with monoclonal antibody infusion is a hoax, the people who have used it are all crazy liars spreading dangerous misinformation.

Can't make this stuff up.

Let's try this for maybe the 11th time. Why is the minority that are unvaccinated making up almost all of the COVID hospitalizations and deaths?

Why the massive disconnect in percentages?

Did you care to share an explanation, other than the vaccine being highly effective?

Brad