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As a newbie in the domaining world. What mistakes have you made in regards to name registration or closing a deal or any other mistake you made generally. Let others learn from you.

The experts can also share some info, it will be appreciated.


- As for me I registered some crappy names. I hate seeing them in my portfolio.:shifty::shifty:
 
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You develop all your domain into website? Is that not an extra cost? And how is it better than just selling domain?

At first I didn't, then I started to and instead of selling just the domain name I would contact end users and ask about affiliate options for their products with the option also to just buy the site, it increased the end users interest considerably leading to many more sales. Often the sites were not even published but rather the prospective end user was given access to the developed site to view it - something many really appreciated and often that built up business confidence between us.

I have taken several years off from serious domaining and just returning now, the names in my signature will be the ones I shall likely develop next. (About 10 years ago I developed JesusChri.st but made the mistake of using the NKJ Bible - which of course brought a C&D flying through the ether. Mind you I did get it up to an alexa ranking of circa. 250,000 within 2 months of publishing the site, but having spent a month working on it I was put off doing it again, this time though I will plan on spending 3-6 months on each before offering them to an end user.)

Domainers should in my opinion look more seriously at developing their domains into sites, after all when we register domains we invariably view them as the possible sites they could become. As to cost, well that is relatively low in monetary terms but can be expensive in time consumption - but this reduces as you get competent using the design package. Also of course with affiliate programs you can soon get a steady flow of income which more than offsets renewal and hosting costs.

Hope this helps and encourages you.
 
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Well I made some sales on namejet auction in my first year of domaining, then decided to re-invest into brandables names.. I was dealing on geo domains.. I registered about 20names without the basic knowledge of brandables.. thank God I use netsol 1$ for those registration... Drop all those names and now research about brandable names... but unfortunately no much capital now to boost my portfolio.... Making use of squadhelp suggestions option presently to raise enough capital to buy names from majorly GD closeout. This is my mistake..


Wow. Why do you contact some pros here that are looking for people to do outbound for them. When you make a sale you get a commission. That will be faster in recouping some funds than sugguesting names for SH. SH can be frustrating.
You can then reinvest I I knowledge you now have.
 
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Why do you contact some pros here that are looking for people to do outbound for them.

Be wary of that thought. Domainers holding Decent domains do not need people to do outbound for them
 
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Be wary of that thought. Domainers holding Decent domains do not need people to do outbound for them


Well, am not sure you are all correcton on this one.

Some Domainers have a large portfolio on this forum but have limited time for outbound( Geo domains mainly) and are looking to set up a team for outbounding. Am currently working with one. I make a sale and I get commission. That's where my capital is coming from while I also learn from his feet.
 
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At first I didn't, then I started to and instead of selling just the domain name I would contact end users and ask about affiliate options for their products with the option also to just buy the site, it increased the end users interest considerably leading to many more sales. Often the sites were not even published but rather the prospective end user was given access to the developed site to view it - something many really appreciated and often that built up business confidence between us.

I have taken several years off from serious domaining and just returning now, the names in my signature will be the ones I shall likely develop next. (About 10 years ago I developed JesusChri.st but made the mistake of using the NKJ Bible - which of course brought a C&D flying through the ether. Mind you I did get it up to an alexa ranking of circa. 250,000 within 2 months of publishing the site, but having spent a month working on it I was put off doing it again, this time though I will plan on spending 3-6 months on each before offering them to an end user.)

Domainers should in my opinion look more seriously at developing their domains into sites, after all when we register domains we invariably view them as the possible sites they could become. As to cost, well that is relatively low in monetary terms but can be expensive in time consumption - but this reduces as you get competent using the design package. Also of course with affiliate programs you can soon get a steady flow of income which more than offsets renewal and hosting costs.

Hope this helps and encourages you.


This may be my next approach.

Where do you get affiliate program that suits the domain and also how much on average do you sell your websites
 
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Just do a google search for affiliate programs in the niche, you might be surprised how many there are.

A relatively decent unpublished website that a potential end user can see how the domain and a website on it could benefit him/her/them can increase the money the buyer is willing to put on the table between 2 and 10 times what they would willingly pay for just a domain name.

As for how much I make, well that is between me, my wife, the bank manager - and unfortunately the taxman. :xf.wink:
 
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Well, am not sure you are all correcton on this one.
Some Domainers have a large portfolio on this forum but have limited time for outbound( Geo domains mainly) and are looking to set up a team for outbounding. Am currently working with one. I make a sale and I get commission. That's where my capital is coming from while I also learn from his feet.

I am not saying it is not possible - I said be Wary. There are some good domainers (with great history) that I would be very happy to do outbound for - they are very few and far between though.

Congratulations if you've paired-up with a good teacher. You certainly sound like a savvy person. Once you get to read the tons of threads asking for help selling mediocre domains, you'll learn more about the many that just don't have good portfolios to outbound, No matter how good the seller is
 
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Just do a google search for affiliate programs in the niche, you might be surprised how many there are.

A relatively decent unpublished website that a potential end user can see how the domain and a website on it could benefit him/her/them can increase the money the buyer is willing to put on the table between 2 and 10 times what they would willingly pay for just a domain name.

As for how much I make, well that is between me, my wife, the bank manager - and unfortunately the taxman. :xf.wink:


:xf.grin::xf.grin::xf.grin::xf.grin:
 
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I pumped too much money into VR and virtual tech. Whilst i still believe in VR and virtual tech and believe i can see a ROI from investments i made (already made more money than lost), I think there's better things to invest in and i do regret 'some' of my buys.

I also hand registered 200+ domains one point and dropped 80% of those now, i can't see me hand regging a domain again, i think hand registrations in 2020 are a waste of time for the most part, domains unregistered are unregistered for a reason.

But no matter what VR made me start investing in domain names, if i never started investing in VR domains, i wouldn't have started investing in other domains, so it was something that needed to be done with me.
 
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Some Domainers have a large portfolio on this forum but have limited time for outbound( Geo domains mainly) and are looking to set up a team for outbounding. Am currently working with one. I make a sale and I get commission. That's where my capital is coming from while I also learn from his feet.

Thinking further, Perhaps you could share some of your experiences under this mentor, I appreciate it wouldn't be possible to name names, or direct examples of domains. But I'm sure we would all like to read how this is working out for you.

Perhaps a general overview of commissions earned, number of domains worked on. Your personal experience on replies to your outbound emails..
 
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A great idea for a discussion - thank you @Joseph David . I would echo, and made, many of the mistakes already mentioned in this thread. Registered too many at the beginning, let a portfolio get too large for me (what is right size depends on person and circumstances), acquire almost great (or second best some would say) domain names, too many domains that were very similar, acquire domains in areas I thought I understood but really did not at a deep enough level, and expand into too many niches (so yes, made both mistakes there - at first too narrow, then too broad). I have let go domain names I should have held, and kept some I should have let go. Priced too low. Turned down an offer I should have accepted. I could go on, but you get the idea, I made a few mistakes! :xf.eek:

I think mistakes are part of life, and while any of us can learn many things from reading, listening to others, etc., in a way, we all learn from our mistakes. At least, I hope we do. Reflecting periodically is really important in domain investing.

Here is what I find helpful in trying to avoid too many mistakes.
  • Define who you are as a domainer before you start. Like is your goal to sell $$$$$ domains to big companies and make this your business, or you see this as a side gig and never want to lose money on this. Or simply a hobbyist finding this fun.
  • Sleep on every acquisition decision. The vast majority of mistakes, had I waited longer, I probably would not have got them.
  • Try to talk yourself out of every acquisition. I learned this on NamePros long ago, but forget from who. It is great advice to try to convince yourself that a domain name is not good, before investing in it.
  • Limit yourself. I find it helpful to set limits - like only spend in domain names what you make from domain names, or set some other limit like one new acquisition per week or something.
  • What are you proud of? I don't mean as a person, but that is good too :xf.smile:, I mean if I asked you what are the 10 domain names that are in your portfolio that you feel are highest quality, you should know the answer, and why, and be treating those names with the respect they deserve in terms of getting a good price for them. The converse works with your worst 10.
  • Emotions, emotions, emotions. In conventional investing emotions are what often separates successful investors. The same is true here. Don't feel you absolutely must have any particular domain name I recently listened to an interview with a person who we would regard as one of the more successful investors. Tons of great sales. He disclosed he never bids in auctions, cause too easy to get swept up and pay too much.
Best wishes to everyone, thanks for all the great responses, and thanks again for starting the thread.

Bob
 
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In the first place, my biggest mistake was to buy a domain names that feet my imagined projects and not the targetted buyers, I spent a lot on domain names that worth million for me but zero dollar for others.

So, I had to change my strategy and the way I am thinking ... I invested on my self by learning and following the path of more experienced domainers on this space.

And of course, we learn everyday new things and we know nothing ...

Conclusion: Trying & Persistance.
 
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A great idea for a discussion - thank you @Joseph David . I would echo, and made, many of the mistakes already mentioned in this thread. Registered too many at the beginning, let a portfolio get too large for me (what is right size depends on person and circumstances), acquire almost great (or second best some would say) domain names, too many domains that were very similar, acquire domains in areas I thought I understood but really did not at a deep enough level, and expand into too many niches (so yes, made both mistakes there - at first too narrow, then too broad). I have let go domain names I should have held, and kept some I should have let go. Priced too low. Turned down an offer I should have accepted. I could go on, but you get the idea, I made a few mistakes! :xf.eek:

I think mistakes are part of life, and while any of us can learn many things from reading, listening to others, etc., in a way, we all learn from our mistakes. At least, I hope we do. Reflecting periodically is really important in domain investing.

Here is what I find helpful in trying to avoid too many mistakes.
  • Define who you are as a domainer before you start. Like is your goal to sell $$$$$ domains to big companies and make this your business, or you see this as a side gig and never want to lose money on this. Or simply a hobbyist finding this fun.
  • Sleep on every acquisition decision. The vast majority of mistakes, had I waited longer, I probably would not have got them.
  • Try to talk yourself out of every acquisition. I learned this on NamePros long ago, but forget from who. It is great advice to try to convince yourself that a domain name is not good, before investing in it.
  • Limit yourself. I find it helpful to set limits - like only spend in domain names what you make from domain names, or set some other limit like one new acquisition per week or something.
  • What are you proud of? I don't mean as a person, but that is good too :xf.smile:, I mean if I asked you what are the 10 domain names that are in your portfolio that you feel are highest quality, you should know the answer, and why, and be treating those names with the respect they deserve in terms of getting a good price for them. The converse works with your worst 10.
  • Emotions, emotions, emotions. In conventional investing emotions are what often separates successful investors. The same is true here. Don't feel you absolutely must have any particular domain name I recently listened to an interview with a person who we would regard as one of the more successful investors. Tons of great sales. He disclosed he never bids in auctions, cause too easy to get swept up and pay too much.
Best wishes to everyone, thanks for all the great responses, and thanks again for starting the thread.

Bob


Thanks Bob
 
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I regret registering some crappy names in my early days, also renewing some of them... but what I regret the most is *not* registering some cool names that I found available but wrote off. If I took some money from the "bad" registrations and put into these "right" non-registrations, I would have a much smoother start. But it's always so easy in hindsight. As long as you learn along the way, it's a way to go.
 
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As a newbie in the domaining world. What mistakes have you made in regards to name registration or closing a deal or any other mistake you made generally. Let others learn from you.

The experts can also share some info, it will be appreciated.


- As for me I registered some crappy names. I hate seeing them in my portfolio.:shifty::shifty:
I registered some too, but probably my biggest mistake was not having a technical partner to help me implement my ideas and my plans to "outbound" domains to the "end user" market.

I'm keenly aware that the kinds of domains I register are mostly "average", and need to be sold to the markets they're intended for.

I've attracted a couple of sweat equity talents in the last 90 days who share my vision.

Finally, i spent my first year registering mostly new gTLD's because I like them so much. However I've since learned that few endusers really understand them.....even the college kids:xf.frown: Thus my portfolio has evolved to become 85% .coms. Despite my being 72 years young, I'm pretty progressive and I luv a challenge. I especially like it when someone says, "you can't do that" or "you don't know what you're talking about" That's all the motivation I need:xf.wink:

Thanks for the thread!
 
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At first I didn't, then I started to and instead of selling just the domain name I would contact end users and ask about affiliate options for their products with the option also to just buy the site, it increased the end users interest considerably leading to many more sales. Often the sites were not even published but rather the prospective end user was given access to the developed site to view it - something many really appreciated and often that built up business confidence between us.

I have taken several years off from serious domaining and just returning now, the names in my signature will be the ones I shall likely develop next. (About 10 years ago I developed JesusChri.st but made the mistake of using the NKJ Bible - which of course brought a C&D flying through the ether. Mind you I did get it up to an alexa ranking of circa. 250,000 within 2 months of publishing the site, but having spent a month working on it I was put off doing it again, this time though I will plan on spending 3-6 months on each before offering them to an end user.)

Domainers should in my opinion look more seriously at developing their domains into sites, after all when we register domains we invariably view them as the possible sites they could become. As to cost, well that is relatively low in monetary terms but can be expensive in time consumption - but this reduces as you get competent using the design package. Also of course with affiliate programs you can soon get a steady flow of income which more than offsets renewal and hosting costs.

Hope this helps and encourages you.
Thanks Bill...i agree, and as a business guy all my life most every domain I register has a business plan/vision behind it. The idea of buying a domain and holding it for years hoping and praying someone will find it and pay big bucks frankly nauseates me:vomit: This is why I've partnered with technical talents to compliment my marketing expertise. For those of you who have technical talent and little or no marketing skills, I'd highly recommend you partner with someone who can help you sell your domains even if you have to pay them a 50% commission. After all 50% of something is far greater than 100% of nothing:xf.wink:
 
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……. I especially like it when someone says, "you can't do that" or "you don't know what you're talking about" That's all the motivation I need:xf.wink:

Thanks for the thread!

Us mature young ones have got experience whereby we know that when someone says something cannot be done actually means they don't have the gumption or determination to try. :xf.wink:
 
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My mistake was registering domains which have no business use at all.
 
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My mistake was registering domains which have no business use at all.
Somehow I think we have a lot in common. Catchy is great, but practical is better. Catchy and practical together is the best(y)
 
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As a newbie in the domaining world. What mistakes have you made in regards to name registration or closing a deal or any other mistake you made generally. Let others learn from you.

The experts can also share some info, it will be appreciated.


- As for me I registered some crappy names. I hate seeing them in my portfolio.:shifty::shifty:
Buying names that appealed to me as opposed to what companies might want or need.

Also stocking up on too many personal project domain names.
 
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Registered domains with Google PageRank thinking it would sell for good money. Later found out that those domains were having fake PageRank. Didn't knew fake PR was also anything before that!
 
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Thanks Bill...i agree, and as a business guy all my life most every domain I register has a business plan/vision behind it. The idea of buying a domain and holding it for years hoping and praying someone will find it and pay big bucks frankly nauseates me:vomit: This is why I've partnered with technical talents to compliment my marketing expertise. For those of you who have technical talent and little or no marketing skills, I'd highly recommend you partner with someone who can help you sell your domains even if you have to pay them a 50% commission. After all 50% of something is far greater than 100% of nothing:xf.wink:


How easy I it to find these technical talents?
 
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Buying names that appealed to me as opposed to what companies might want or need.

Also stocking up on too many personal project domain names.


Some times there may be an iota of luck where name that appeals to you appeals to your end user, don't you think?
 
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Thinking further, Perhaps you could share some of your experiences under this mentor, I appreciate it wouldn't be possible to name names, or direct examples of domains. But I'm sure we would all like to read how this is working out for you.

Perhaps a general overview of commissions earned, number of domains worked on. Your personal experience on replies to your outbound emails..

  • Experience: Well, it has been quite intriguing, working under Let me say Mr A. I came into the game a complete newbie and trust me there is alot of learning to be done coupled with the fact that I have limited resource but I want to take action. I was reading up, saw the offer and I took it. I work on a maximum of 5 domain at the initial which I will pick the one I want to work on in his portfolio. I made some mistakes in outbounding but then got corrected, in the process I learnt the art of outbounding cause I use only his sales letter(no expection, no fine tunning, use what I give you). This trims my excitement that I have initially but it Shaped me( there is a professional way of doing things, I had to learn that). I started asking questions you know as I mostly got no reply( his answer: it part of the game, keep outbounding. You will the right end user). Got tried at some point but I learnt the waiting game. I never though of that.
  • Remember money comes only when you make a Sale so I was eager to make one. He told me one day to drop some of the domains am working on that I don't have an eye for good domains and not all domain sells in the first year. ( Was surprised and curious at the same time. So I went back to his portfolio and picks some domain I hated most in his portfolio. Trust me I will never spend my money to buy such domain)
  • Within 2 hours of working on the domain I got my first sale in the high $$$. Was surprised( learnt to see what people want not what I want).
  • Note I am solemnly given the responsibility to negotiate. When I got a reply I revert back to him to get his response cause the domain was put on MKAE AN OFFER. He told me It is your call, it is your sell. ( Learnt not to be greedy and at the same time not to go too low.)
  • After this sale I got unlimited access to his portfolio. I only Point and excute (y)
  • My comission: PRIVATE
  • My mistakes: when I want to register my own domain. I do didn't consult him.I ended up registering crappy names. He lately ask if I had my domian am working on. Told him its crap. He laughed Said its part of the game.
  • Overall: I learnt much In a short period of time( Am just 1 month old in domaining). I will actually say as a newbie get a mentor. He is not about me selling but also learning the art. Tho I make sales.
  • His personal words will always be there is always a gem of names waiting to be registered daily. If you loss one, move on. There are millions waiting to be registered.


It's been good for me. Hope I answered your question







 
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Transferred my domains from Network Solutions to a registrar called RegisterFly.
I lost some good domains in the meltdown of that registrar, many many hours wasted, sleepless weeks/ months and $$$ down the drain.

EDIT: I wasn't really a newbie as I'd been buying and developing a few domains for about 10 years at that point, but it was a learning experience that I hope no-one has to go through.
WE LOST BIG TIME. But CraigD was actually onto it and helped save many.
 
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