What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Slanted]

@NameLlama

Fox News generally is a xenophobic, islamophobic, fear-mongering propaganda machine.

That doesn't mean there isn't some truth in this ugly story. But there are between 1 and 2 billion muslims on the planet – roughly 1 in 5 people. So it's always possible to cherry-pick bad stories about muslims and use that to indoctrinate and scare conservative Americans.

Don't get duped. Resist the indoctrination.

There are many rly gud Moslems, but this death colt version of Islam is spreading.? What is the awnser?

Can you cite evidence that it's spreading? Or do you only get the IMPRESSION that they're coming to get you because you watch Fox News?

In additionally, the stage is set to make Yurup a Moslem contanint

What are you talking about? What's "Yurup"? Are you trying to spell "Europe"?

Xenophobia is rampant in the USA under Trump – aimed at Latinos and Muslims. And it's equally bad in parts of Europe, which has absorbed a lot of muslim immigrants, especially since the Syrian civil war. Down here in Latin America, people are bigoted toward Venezuelan immigrants. Xenophobia isn't unique to white people. It's a natural (if lamentable) human tendency to fear foreigners and change.

The USA under Obama botched the handling of Syria. Instead of supporting the progressive resistance movement, the USA stood on the sidelines and let Russia reinforce a mass-murdering dictator. 5 million refugees fled the country – out of 22 million inhabitants.

And guess which country pretty much locked the doors and refused to help? That's right. The USA. Canada welcomed refugees, albeit in a small way. So did Mexico. European countries also absorbed more of that population. Predictably, many Europeans have been fearful and hostile.

There are always legitimate concerns about absorbing a large influx of new people. Along with paranoia. Either way, Europe isn't going to become a muslim continent. Really, that's absurd.

When I say that's absurd, you have a choice. The lazy option would be to retort in an obstinate, dogmatic, islamophobic way, saying that I don't know what I'm talking about because I've been brainwashed, whereas you can "see the truth". A better option is to look at FACTS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

Those are the stats regarding number of Syrian refugees by country. Unsurprisingly, as you can see, the majority of Syrian refugees (who are Arabic-speaking muslims) went to nearby muslim and/or Arabic-speaking countries:

Turkey 3.5M
Lebanon 2.2M
Jordan 1.3M
Egypt 500k
Iraq 230k
Yemen 100k
UAE 100k
Sudan 100k
Qatar 54k
Algeria 43k
etc.

In Europe, 2 of the most progressive countries had the courage to welcome refugees:

Germany 770k
Sweden 122k

Other than those 2, the numbers are quite small. Like France at 12k. So altogether, about a million refugees went to Europe. Compare that to Europe's overall population of 741.4 million people. And explain to me how Europe will become a Muslim continent based on 1 refugee out of every 742 people. Do you really believe that delusional fear – which Fox News is constantly spreading – is rational?

Incidentally, the USA let in about 16k. Considering the U.S. population is roughly half the size of Europe's, doing our part would have implied something more like 500k. And considering the USA has a booming economy, there was no valid concern about our ability to absorb immigrant workers. No, the USA shut the doors out of pure fear and the politics of not wanting to irritate the xenophobes and islamophobes.

We are in the phase where you go from tolerating Muslems, to becoming Moslems. The main Yurupian policymakers are on board with that plane.

No, that's the Fox News paranoia talking again. It's a conspiracy theory on par with believing Mexican immigrants are "rapists and murderers" or that the Earth is flat. As much as you say you're not islamophobic (meaning "fear of Islam"), you sure do fear Islam. Connect the dots.

What are you saying here?

We are in the phase where you go from tolerating Muslems, to becoming Moslems.

Do you mean that this: If society tolerates muslims, then that society must become a muslim society or theocracy?

If that is not what you mean, please explain what you DO mean.

If you DO mean that, then why on earth do you believe it? It seems absurd to me. A pluralistic society should be able to tolerate a religious minority without automatically becoming a theocracy conquered by that religious minority. Why not?

We tolerate other religious minorities in the USA? Do they also pose a risk of conquering us and forcing us to become a theocracy? Or is there something about Islam that you find uniquely threatening?

If society can't tolerate Islam without, sooner or later, being conquered from within by muslims and converted to a theocracy – which would be a terrible outcome – then shouldn't the inference be this: Society must NOT tolerate Islam?

On global scales, there are some who expect Romans will shortly merge Roman Catholcism and Islam into Chrislam.

Right. And then the lizard people will tear off their human masks; and, during a dastardly conference call between Mecca and the Vatican, they will chortle about how they deceived humanity for thousands of years about the earth being round, as they drink the blood of human babies.

What can non-Moslems do to prevent more part of the world from being no-go zones as is now happening in UK?

That's just a right-wing conspiracy theory, which Fox News propagates in order to terrify its audience and teach them to hate and fear muslims. It's not true. But like all other conspiracy theories, there is so much content online, that the people who live far away from those supposed "no-go zones" will swallow any lie.

 

[Joe N]

To all - Remind me never to get into a debate with @Slanted

Carry on.

 

[Slanted]

To all - Remind me never to get into a debate with @Slanted

Carry on.

Ha ha. It's actually pretty safe to get into a debate with me – as long as someone is willing to

- be open minded
- explain their own ideas
- understand ideas that contradict their ideas
- read
- answer questions
- avoid attacking the person they disagree with
- avoid changing the subject

The people who can abide by those rules of polite, rational debate will either learn something or else persuade me or both.

 

[Truespin Domains]

Me: You claimed that me hating religion meant that I wanted to hurt or kill religious people.

You: False. I said the opposite.

In that case what do you recommend be done with the billions of people whom you consider poisonous? Boycott? Exile? Imprisonment? Forced re-education? Concentration camps? No solution would be too severe. After all, you are the Doctor curing humanity of a Poison that has caused unspeakable harm

When I said it was rediculous that you were suggesting that I wanted to hurt or kill religious people, you said...

If you believe Religion = Poison, then you have a moral obligation to exterminate that Poison, or contain that Poison behind lock and key.

So you did clearly insinuate that I wanted to hurt or kill people, despite now claiming you didn't...

Me: You claimed I considered religious people diseased in a derogatory manner.

You: True. You did. See link above

As explained, My phrasing was:

"...you're the only one suggesting violence. If someone you knew had an infectious disease (which religion is) would you kill them or try and cure them?..."

I referred to religion as a "disease" , not religious people as "diseased".

You claim the statements are the same, so would you tell a cancer patient that they had a disease, or that they were diseased?

You're well aware the former is descriptive and the latter is derogatory.

But you are of course a dishonest debater, so it doesn't surprise me.

You: You said Religion is / causes Mental Illness – which is slightly different but equally hateful.

Replace God with any other entity and people would consider him seriously mentally ill.

This was my only reference to mental illness. It was a specific point about Rob's behaviour in this thread. Misrepresentated by you to mean that I thought all religious people were mentally unwell.

You've since backtracked and morphed your allegation into the above bold text, which still isn't what I actually said.

Even if I had said what you claim (which I didn't) you don't believe religion has ever, in all those thousand of years, ever contributed to someone becoming mentally unwell? Ever?

Ready for my public apology for calling me a bigot. Whenever you're ready @Slanted

 

[NameLlama]

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You too? Since that bigoted view has been repeatedly contradicted in this NamePros thread, you must have some answer to my refutations.

Or maybe you believe you can ensure the survival of your dogmatic viewpoint merely by ignoring counter-evidence and simply repeating your dogma as a mantra.

And if a religious person was here dogmatically repeating crap from their book, people would feel the need to respect that belief.s...Even if they were distasteful or harmful
Religious person is unlikely to be talked out of their terrible beliefs, because they are taught to have unshakablefaith and consider any reasoned arguments to be the cunning of the evil forces


This is my religion now, no reasoning with me thank you

 

[Slanted]

@whenpillarsfall,

You are repeating yourself ad nauseam. I already answered all of that here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252690

And you are still running away – from page 66 to page 70, not a single response from you.

 

[Slanted]

This is my religion now, no reasoning with me thank you

Yes, we can see that.

 

[Slanted]

Ready for my public apology for calling me a bigot. Whenever you're ready @Slanted

But you're a bullseye for the dictionary definition:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252584

And you have been running away from that too. Waiting for any cogent response from you.

 

[Slanted]

Question: Is anybody paying attention to this thread who knows how to engage in a polite rational debate? Lately it seems to be mainly just dogmatic thugs, paranoiacs who believe I'm not really me, and conspiracy theorists.

I know the majority of NamePros members are better than this bunch. Someone restore my faith in humanity, please.

 

[Slanted]

@whenpillarsfall

Let me explain how debate OUGHT to work.

(1) You claim A1.
(2) I counter claim A1 with A2 and invite you to respond.
(3) You counter A2 with A3.
etc.

But instead, this is what you have been doing daily for over a week:

(1) You claim A1.
(2) I counter claim A1 with A2 and invite you to respond.
(3) You run away from A2 and never present any A3 to counter it.
(4) Instead, you change the subject with B1.
(5) I counter B1 with B2 and invite you to respond.
(6) You run away from B2 and never present any B3 to counter it.
(7) You claim C1.
(8) I counter claim C1 with C2 and invite you to respond.
(9) You run away from C2 and never present any C3 to counter it.
(10) Now you repeat claim A1.
(11) I point out that I already responded to A1 with A2, which is awaiting your response.
(12) You run away from A2 and never present any A3 to counter it.
(13) Now you change the subject again and repeat claim B1.
(14) I point out that I already responded to B1 with B2, which is awaiting your response.
etc.

Do you see why that's unproductive? Do you see why it goes nowhere?

This is why I was able to cite 17 posts that refute your view point and to which you have NEVER provided an answer. During the past week, these instances (where I contradict you and you never respond) have accumulated to an extent that ought to be embarrassing, given the amoutn of unrelated clutter you have posted instead of responding:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-65#post-7252520

Since then, you have made probably a dozen posts but NEVER responded to the one you're running away from:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252690

You keep stammering about how offended you are at being called a "bigot", for example, yet you have never addressed the posts where I cite the definition of bigotry and explain why it fits you:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-66#post-7252584

At some point, you ought to break this cycle of endlessly running away, of endlessly changing the subject, of endlessly repeating yourself ... and TRY to respond to SOMETHING that I have said. Adding more and more posts that DON'T respond to any of the posts where I have contradicted you is an eternally losing strategy.

Notice how when YOU say something, I quote it and explain why it's wrong? Generally I do that right away. But I've been pulling teeth for a week to get you to respond to my responses and explain why my refutations of you are wrong. No matter how many times I dare you to respond, you always run away and say something unrelated, which doesn't reference my contradiction of you.

When someone presents a case, explaining why you're wrong, then you really ought to respond to that person's argument. Why don't you? Even if you end up being refuted, there is dignity in engaging with someone. Running away and never responding, there is no dignity. It just looks foolish.

 

[TCK]

Well, it looks like @Slanted (or whoever is controlling the account) is now debating himself. Why are you going out of your way to keep this thread alive? 5 consecutive posts without a response.

 

[offthehandle]

Fox News generally is a xenophobic, islamophobic, fear-mongering propaganda machine.

So, based on that is this about MS 13, fake news?

 

[Slanted]

Well, it looks like @Slanted (or whoever is controlling the account) is now debating himself.

@whenpillarsfall is in the UK. It's currently 2:40 a.m. in London. If it makes you feel better, you can fly there to wake Sleeping Beauty with a kiss. I'd love to see the 2 of you chase each other in circles! It would be a match made in heaven!

Why are you going out of your way to keep this thread alive? 5 consecutive posts without a response.

I'm responding to people who have responded to me. It's called a conversation.

May I ask why you're such a busybody? Nobody is talking to you at all, yet you keep interjecting yourself into this thread in order to complain that I'm speaking to other people.

Do you still believe I'm an impostor? I enjoyed ridiculing you about that yesterday. How about round 2?

 

[offthehandle]

This is an intellectual view, of world history, religion and perhaps some have listened to the late Christopher Hitchens, well studied and highly controversial, offensive and opinionated.

 

[Slanted]

This is an intellectual view, of world history, religion and perhaps some have listened to the late Christopher Hitchens, well studied and highly controversial, offensive and opinionated.

Christopher Hitchens was a clever fellow who spent a lifetime being disastrously wrong. First as a Marxist. Later as a warmonger advocating for the unjustified invasion of Iraq. And, of course, he was largely wrong about Religion. But he had a British accent, which impresses some people.

Reminds me of that goateed Trump crony, what's-his-name, who also had a British accent that played well to Fox viewers. Mr. "The era of the pajama boy is now over." Gorka.

 

[offthehandle]

How about this?

 

[TCK]

Is anybody paying attention to this thread who knows how to engage in a polite rational debate?

No one is taking this thread seriously. Those that come in late, like @whenpillarsfall, quickly learn how pointless debating here is. It is incredibly ironic that you would ask whether someone knows "how to engage in a polite rational debate". Unless, of course, you want someone to teach you.

May I ask why you're such a busybody? Nobody is talking to you at all, yet you keep interjecting yourself into this thread in order to complain that I'm speaking to other people.

Well, you're talking to me just now. And you sound incredibly p*****d. Not just at me but at everybody. You need to calm down. It's not good healthwise. I can definitely sense a big change in tone.

 

[Slanted]

@offthehandle,

I'm not going to watch any videos – partly because I'm already watching a movie while typing, and the sound would disturb someone else.

Maybe you're posting those videos for the entertainment of all. But if they're aimed at me, then you would need to write text instead.

 

[offthehandle]

I'm not going to watch any videos – partly because I'm already watching a movie while typing,

There is always tomorrow or next week or future. You mention such strong anti Fox stuff, I posted a specific video for comment. Hitchens, while I dont agree with all his stuff, he has an interesting take on history and religion. I havent heard any Communist ideology of his, so I will have to see what you refer to.

The KOMO special on Seattle is interesting being the local station did it, and I believe both you and Rob have lived and/ or spent time up there, and was quite shocked to see it, Capitol hill lined with tents and along the I5 like that. Of all the downtown cities in the US, it was always pretty cool downtown. It would be nice to know what your opinion is of how this happened, who enabled it to happen and if Boeing, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft, etc write checks to donate to clean it up. I believe Seattle downtown area has a lot more wealth concentrated in high rises than say Los Angeles (where few suburban people go downtown), of which people need to deal with it up close. Thats all. Thanks.

 

[Slanted]

No one is taking this thread seriously.

You are, for some reason. Evidently you're obsessed with me.

For people who missed it, I had fun last night baiting @TCK because he's a conspiracy theorist who (for months now) has suffered from the bizarre delusion that I'm not really me. He had another "episode" last night, and it continued for 3 pages:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252799

My girlfriend got a good laugh from it. Might be a fun distraction for somebody.

Those that come in late, like @whenpillarsfall, quickly learn how pointless debating here is.

If people can’t engage in civil debate about ideas with me, then they can’t do it with anybody. Within this thread, as well as elsewhere in public, I've had healthy debates with plenty of people. Unfortunately, some people don’t have the habit or temperament for it.

Some people, like @whenpillarsfall, keep running away and changing the subject, instead of responding to the criticisms I present regarding their views. Obviously that’s a dead end. Unless someone engages his opponent's arguments, no debate can occur. Only whining.

Some people actually cut off all discussion abruptly by saying explicitly that they refuse to change their mind, no matter what. Today @NameLlama did that. Frankly, he was so frank about being closed minded that it surprised me:

This is my religion now, no reasoning with me thank you

Although it sounds sarcastic, he seems to have been serious. I’d love to be mistaken about that, @NameLlama.

And some people, like you @TCK – what can be done about you? Even after months, you are still haunted by fantasies that I'm secretly not me. And you continually try to pick arguments with me that are about nothing at all – for instance, my decision to speak to people who aren't you. As if you were in love with me, always asking why I’m talking to this person or looking at that person!

It's funny because it's weird. But it's also a bit demented, obsessive, and stalker-ish. What do you suggest we do to help you figure yourself out here?

It is incredibly ironic that you would ask whether someone knows "how to engage in a polite rational debate". Unless, of course, you want someone to teach you.

Teach me, please. But first, you need to calibrate your sense of the Truth by convincing yourself that I'm not secretly somebody else. If you can't do that, then I doubt you can do much of anything rationally. It’s a very low bar.

Well, you're talking to me just now. And you sound incredibly p***d. Not just at me but at everybody. You need to calm down. It's not good healthwise. I can definitely sense a big change in tone.

Once again, I'm in bed with my girlfriend, watching a movie, sipping tea, and mocking you for my own enjoyment.

It's amusing how you always end up singing this tune – feigning to be concerned that I am supposedly not "calm".

You say this whenever you have nothing of substance to say. No argument to present. No answer to any of the questions you haven't yet answered. No ideas. Instead, you resort to: "My opponent is too emotional".

I think you think you can annoy me by saying that I’m annoyed. All of your posts have the clear intention to “jab” at me in some way, though the nature of your resentment is unclear. Admittedly, it’s tedious dealing with you. But sometimes it’s worth it because you make a fool of yourself to hilarious effect – like last night when your paranoid delusions were on full display. I had a blast toying with you. And you were so tone-deaf that you genuinely thought you were amassing evidence that I’m an impostor! Please, let’s do that again!

But your favorite pretext for talking to me (when I’m not talking to you) is to complain that I’m talking to people on NamePros without your permission or at all. Never mind that you are always posting in NamePros yourself in order to insinuate that I’m wrong to post in NamePros. Irony ain’t your strong suit.

Seriously, though, are you still experiencing paranoid delusions about my identity? What’s the next step of treatment?

 

[Slanted]

There is always tomorrow or next week or future. You mention such strong anti Fox stuff, I posted a specific video for comment.

Since you seem like someone who is able to politely disagree, I'll take a look at the video you posted later. Please remind me.

Hitchens, while I dont agree with all his stuff, he has an interesting take on history and religion. I havent heard any Communist ideology of his, so I will have to see what you refer to.

From what I've seen of him, I admire his wit but not his ideas. Of course, everybody is right sometimes and wrong sometimes. I'm not going to dismiss 100% of his statements without reading them. If you can quote a specific passage, we can debate that. Otherwise, his anti-religion book will remain in this thread as a source for people who want to read it, which is fine, of course. For balance, they would be well served by reading a book on religious history by an actual historian, who probably doesn't have an ax to grind, the way Hitchens does.

The KOMO special on Seattle is interesting being the local station did it, and I believe both you and Rob have lived and/ or spent time up there, and was quite shocked to see it, Capitol hill lined with tents and along the I5 like that. Of all the downtown cities in the US, it was always pretty cool downtown. It would be nice to know what your opinion is of how this happened, who enabled it to happen and if Boeing, Amazon, Starbucks, Microsoft, etc write checks to donate to clean it up. I believe Seattle downtown area has a lot more wealth concentrated in high rises than say Los Angeles (where few suburban people go downtown), of which people need to deal with it up close. Thats all. Thanks.

Until I watch the video, I won't know what exactly is being referred to. When I first lived in Seattle, it was during the "Occupy Wallstreet" movement. So there were plenty of tents and protesters and marchers. Capitol Hill, where I lived, was a center for that. The process of gentrification has really changed the neighborhood the past 5-10 years. Rent went up by 50% or more, as the Amazon employees moved in.

 

[TCK]

For people who missed it, I had fun last night baiting @TCK because he's a conspiracy theorist

I baited you and you responded exactly as anticipated. I was surprised how quickly you responded and how predictably.

As for the rest of your post, fine, whatever, ok.

With every reply you give more weight to my conclusions.

 

[Slanted]

I baited you and you responded exactly as anticipated.

You're cute. People, for the record, @TCK regards this as his finest hour:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252907

With every reply you give more weight to my conclusions.

So you ARE still convinced that I'm an impostor!

Please elaborate. Who am I? What gave me away?

At the end of every detective novel, Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes reveals the ingenious deductions and the hidden clues by which they discovered the sinister villain's plot. You, sir, are a sleuth of equal genius; and in this final scene, you should, nay, must boast – not to revel in your own acumen so much as to reveal to an appreciative audience the mysterious truths that escaped their collective eye.

Go for it, sir! My hat goes off to you!

 

[TCK]

You're cute. People, for the record, @TCK regards this as his finest hour:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/wh...-and-rob-monster.1128748/page-67#post-7252907



So you ARE still convinced that I'm an impostor!

Please elaborate. Who am I? What gave me away?

At the end of every detective novel, Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes reveals the ingenious deductions and the hidden clues by which they discovered the sinister villain's plot. You, sir, are a sleuth of equal genius; and in this final scene, you should, nay, must boast – not to revel in your own acumen so much as to reveal to an appreciative audience the mysterious truths that escaped their collective eye.

Go for it, sir! My hat goes off to you!

I will let people decide that for themselves. There is plenty of evidence in this thread. One thing that stands out is that you just won't stop posting. You are no longer working for Epik. So, what's your agenda? It seems you are trying to burry the original issue that was the basis for this thread and/or add so much content to this thread as an attempt to boost SEO for Epik's services. Neither of which make sense if you are no longer employed at the company and have supposedly moved on. Adding the fact that your tone is much more aggressive creates more questions. Finally, you have had many opportunities to confirm your identity but you have chosen not to.

 

[offthehandle]

Until I watch the video, I won't know what exactly is being referred to. When I first lived in Seattle, it was during the "Occupy Wallstreet" movement.

I travelled there on business 70’s-90’s numerous times. Traffic was worse than LA way back then if you lived or travelled east across the lake during evening rush hour. Capitol Hill as I recall was an older neighborhood and then was getting pretty beaten up and area to avoid. Havent been back since early 2000’s and actually stayed in downtown for a short vacation.

The term “Gentrification” gets thrown around in a negative light and many complain, but imo it is simply capitalism. Higher income people pay more taxes, drive less so less pollution than say commuting from Kirkland or Redmond. Amazon and other employees I can only assume pay more property taxes than previous owners, high paying jobs and prosperity is a good thing. So, I can only assume displaced have to move way out to Puyallup or Duvall or Marysville. All neighborhoods change, For better or worse. Boeing used to be the major and real only employer other than Lumber, pulp/paper. So, with all the new industry why so much homeless? Can only assume midwest to coastal migration, overcrowding.

For balance, they would be well served by reading a book on religious history by an actual historian,

Certainly, but I question everything written in history because if you think about all of it was written by the survivors of wars, not balanced by those anniliated in whatever war in any country based of either religious conversion or covenance of property- the origin of all wars. So written history really isn’t balanced. My formal propagandized history education in school was lopsided, it didn’t include a open viewpoint of anything. On the other hand, one rare balanced idea given by a History Professor in college is that of the Spanish caste system. I had a different perspective history that didnt push it all as a bad idea. Say 250 years ago, no mass media or world view, People in lower castes lived without any expectation of being able to “advance” materially with property rights or affordability, didnt necessarily rob, lust or covet those who did. Sure, maybe thats about UnAmerican as it gets, but is a more balanced perspective instead of saying all caste systems suck- like my early education. This still exist all around the world too as you know and even living south of the border too. The wannabe or born rich act arrogant and are often more worried about what barrio someone is from more than their level of intelligence. Some Latinos criticize other latino people simply based on their accent, just like a southern versus northern NYC or west coast english accent might criticize one another.