discuss Anatomy of a Hang Reg

[ThatNameGuy]

I've been advised by old time domainers not to hand register domains. I still don't know why, but every single one of my 1,500 plus domains have been hand registered. While I agree it's unlikely I'd hand register a domain for $10 today and turnaround and sell it for 10K tomorrow, I do believe it's entirely possible to hand register a domain today and reap the big bucks down the road.

For example...today I was driving home and hear on the radio an add for a Crab Feast in my area. In the add, when someone was asked if they were going to the crab feast, their comment was ShellYeah! So I'm thinking, when I get home I'm going to see if domains like ShellYea(.)com or ShellYeaSeafood(.)com was taken or even ShellYeaOysters(.).com. Of course if you haven't picked up that this is a play off the slang term "HellYea" you may never understand. So then I'm thinking, how might this domain sound as the name for a national Seafood Restaurant like Red Lobster or Bonefish Grill or Joes Crab Shack? So I get home and start researching names via Go Daddy's domain Appraisal link. And because the words, "Yeah", "Yea" and "Yeh" can match up with Shell and Hell, I do some more research via Google for the match up. It turns out that the correct grammer word(s) to go with Shell are "Yes" and "Yeah" with "Yeh" being a variation of "Yeah". And since the pronunciation for the word "Yea" is actually "Yay", I eliminated it.

So it turns out ShellYes(.)com and ShellYeah(.)com are both premium domains and were taken, but ShellYeh(.)com was available. I'm aware that "Yeh" is less formal than "Yes" and "Yeah", but my thinking is, since eating any kind of shell fish (oysters, clams, crabs etc) is "hands on dining".....ShellYehcom might be a great name for Seafood Restaurant specializing in shellfish.

My point is, hand registering domains may not be the answer for some domainers, but I think it can work fine for those who put a little thought into it. Thanks

btw, ShellYeh! appraises for $893 at GD, $2,190 at Freevaluator and $4,432 at Notka domains...go figure

 

[DrJacoby]

I've never heard of a "Hang Reg" before. You sure are a trendsetter!

 

[bmugford]

I've never heard of a "Hang Reg" before. You sure are a trendsetter!

I just registered a .mobi and .tel. I am a trendsetter too!
As a visionary and stable genius as well I see a bright future for them.

GoDaddy even appraises them at $1K+ so they have to be good.
There is no way GoDaddy could be wrong.

Thanks Bulloney. You have taught me the true value in terrible domains!

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Blah Blah Blah. Every thread you start turns into the how great Bulloney is thread.
This about version 42.

Here is a list of your your top 10 all time domain sales -

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For someone who says "make something happen", there seems to be a lot more talking than making something happen.

Oh you didn't hear?....I sold the name Acsel back in 1978 for $2,000 probably before you were born. Hey Brad...instead of criticizing everything I post, you may want to go back and read an old book to learn how history tends to repeat itself. AcSel is still in business today Brad....do you really think anything has changed in the name business since .com

 

[Bertrell]

Reminded me of this one, too.

 

[bmugford]

Oh you didn't hear?....I sold the name Acsel back in 1978 for $2,000 probably before you were born. Hey Brad...instead of criticizing everything I post, you may want to go back and read an old book to learn how history tends to repeat itself. AcSel is still in business today Brad....do you really think anything has changed in the name business since .com

Cool story bro. You have anything more relevant than 40 years ago, not involving a domain?

Considering you would register "Shell Yeh" and looking at your other recent registrations, I think that tells me enough about your skills in the domain world today. I hope you are indeed a great salesman, because you will need to be to sell the domains you are registering.

Plenty of others have come into the field with big talk and haven't done squat before they disappeared into obscurity. They have many of the same traits you have. They think they are great and are stubborn and unwilling to learn.

Best of luck!

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Cool story bro. You have anything more relevant than 40 years ago, not involving a domain?

Considering you would register "Shell Yeh" and looking at your other recent registrations, I think that tells me enough about your skills in the domain world today. I hope you are indeed a great salesman, because you will need to be to sell the domains you are registering.

Plenty of others have come into the field with big talk and haven't done squat before they disappeared into obscurity. They have many of the same traits you have. They think they are great and are stubborn and unwilling to learn.

Best of luck!

"Bro" Is that at word Brad? How about "domainer"...is that even a word? Since Acsel, I've come up with plenty of good names. And btw, who said Acsel was even a good name? You haven't seen my portfolio of name's so I would reserve judgment if I were you. And speaking of "judgment", how might you spell it? Do you know the difference between judgment with the "e" and without the "e" I trademarked the name JudgmentScore™ back in 2012. Any idea how much that sold for? Stay tuned, and try to learn something

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I've never heard of a "Hang Reg" before. You sure are a trendsetter!

You never heard of a "Hang Reg"....that's sort of like a HangNail that I named my first pedicure business for"

HangNailPedicures(.)com

 

[hookbox]

I guess you've never heard the common expression "Hell Yeah" I'd suggest you Google it before being so critical. Do you know anything about shell fish or seafood? A good friend of mine owns one of the most successful Seafood Restaurants in my area called AweShucks, and he absolutely luvs the name. Of course he's the one who invented the dish OysterCollardFella, so what would he know Where's your sense of humor man?

You obviously didn't totally read what I said. Of course I've heard the term Hell Yeah and think ShellYeah.com is ok even though it's a very limited target market. ShellYeh.com absolutely positively sucks. No one will ever buy this name when the much better, correctly spelled and affordably priced version is available to purchase.

 

[equity78]

Blah Blah Blah. Every thread you start turns into the how great Bulloney is thread.
This about version 42.

Here is a list of your your top 10 all time domain sales -

1.)
2.)
3.)
4.)
5.)
6.)
7.)
8.)
9.)
10.)

For someone who says "make something happen", there seems to be a lot more talking than making something happen.

This might be a nominee for post of the year, in the zinger category. Well played sir

I just registered a .mobi and .tel. I am a trendsetter too!
As a visionary and stable genius as well I see a bright future for them.

GoDaddy even appraises them at $1K+ so they have to be good.
There is no way GoDaddy could be wrong.

Thanks Bulloney. You have taught me the true value in terrible domains!

I do expect you to start a new domains wanted thread Brad, premium .tel and .mobi, DataCube is open for business.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I think selling these would be very unlikely. I could not find in NameBio a sale ending in yeh with meaning you have (only ones are short overall domain names). There were 4 sales ending in 'yeah' including WellYeah that sold (in com) for $1500 in 2015. TruckYeah sold for same amount. I know that past sales do not necessarily reflect future, but a sale would surprise me.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You obviously didn't totally read what I said. Of course I've heard the term Hell Yeah and think ShellYeah.com is ok even though it's a very limited target market. ShellYeh.com absolutely positively sucks. No one will ever buy this name when the much better, correctly spelled and affordably priced version is available to purchase.

It's just your opinion hookbox, and you know what they say about opinions

I think selling these would be very unlikely. I could not find in NameBio a sale ending in yeh with meaning you have (only ones are short overall domain names). There were 4 sales ending in 'yeah' including WellYeah that sold (in com) for $1500 in 2015. TruckYeah sold for same amount. I know that past sales do not necessarily reflect future, but a sale would surprise me.

Thanks Bob...coming from you, your comments mean a lot. I didn't start this thread saying how great this domain is, but rather how many hand reg's come into being. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't every domain hand reg'd at one time? I know you've "liked" many of my other hand regs, and I know you're a good and honest man who understands this industry far better than most. Thanks again Bob.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

Cool story bro. You have anything more relevant than 40 years ago, not involving a domain?

Considering you would register "Shell Yeh" and looking at your other recent registrations, I think that tells me enough about your skills in the domain world today. I hope you are indeed a great salesman, because you will need to be to sell the domains you are registering.

Plenty of others have come into the field with big talk and haven't done squat before they disappeared into obscurity. They have many of the same traits you have. They think they are great and are stubborn and unwilling to learn.

Best of luck!

I've been around naming businesses long before you were born Brad. I know it doesn't mean much to you, but ShellYeh(.)com appraises for more than ShellYeah(.)com at 2 of the 3 appraisers that most domainers use. I'm sure you don't know why, but that's because you're living in the past

 

[namezest]

You can get decent hand reg domains but when you look at drops, you can see why ..... Most were hand reg and awful! I have a hand reg that is awesome sometimes you get lucky, most often your best bet is the one you don"t see, the one right under your nose so simple yet powerful. A famous domain investor grabs my drops. Purely because I registered to develop and end up doing something else that gives me no time to develop.. Good luck! (You Can Do It!!).

 

[NYJimbo]

You can go cherry-picking appraisers but most people use GD.

GD appraise:

ShellYeh - $892
ShellYeah - $1,666

ShellGlop - $931
ShellFrap - $1,083
ShellMung - $1,143

I could reg junk and beat your numbers.

Maybe you should hire someone to pick them for you.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You can go cherry-picking appraisers but most people use GD.

GD appraise:

ShellYeh - $892
ShellYeah - $1,666

ShellGlop - $931
ShellFrap - $1,083
ShellMung - $1,143

I could reg junk and beat your numbers.

Maybe you should hire someone to pick them for you.

Hey NY Jimbo...I own plenty of domains where GD appraises them for more than the examples you reference. Interesting, you should check out appraisals for hand reg's; rxrentals.com at GD and Rx.rentals. I'm not sure how it happened, but Rx.rentals wasn't "Premium" when it was reg'd a few months ago, but maybe GD realized who was doing the hand regging Now show me the kind of junk you reg? Inquiring minds would luv to know.

 

[JB Lions]

You haven't seen my portfolio of name's so I would reserve judgment if I were you.

Richard, he said domain names. Anybody can see your portfolio.

 

[Ategy]

Because of your extreme rudeness to myself and others in the past, your false accusations, and unwillingness to even listen or respect the advice of those far more experienced in the industry then either of us, I've really tried hard to avoid your "justification" discussions where you try to explain and justify all your bad decisions as a domainer!

But I just can't let this one go for fear newer domainers will wrongly look to you as an example!

ShellYeah.com = Solid domain .. when I saw you write that I was thinking ... "FINALLY .. FINALLY .. He's FINALLY starting to learn and actually got himself a half-decent / not-horrible domain" ... and particularly if it was a handreg it would have been amazing at $15 or less! I saw the same thing as you did in it being a potential lobster/crab related slogan. I likely would not have handreg'ed it thinking that there aren't enough potential end user buyers (I'm not saying that there aren't enough, just that I'm not aware of "enough" aside from Red Lobster which isn't even that big up here in Canada) .. but I also most certainly would not have said getting "ShellYeah.com" at handreg was a bad decision.

But .. sigh .. then I continued to read ... lol

99% of the time if it takes more than a sentence to explain or justify a domain, then it's a horrible domain. The only rare exception to this might be for technical terms of future-tech.

You tend to keep on registering what are known as "One-Off" domains. Essentially domains that would be good *IF*:
- They were spelled correctly
- They were terms people ACTUALLY use!
- They were in a better TLD (mainly .com)

For the most part you keep registering domains that are almost good .. but continue to ignore the fact that "almost" is not enough. The only thing "almost" domains are good for is to "almost" guarantee long term losses in a portfolio that holds too many of them.

The problem with your ShellYeh is that the VAST MAJORITY of English speakers not only use "Yeah", but they see "Yeh" as being incorrect or a typo.

It doesn't matter if it's what the dictionary says is correct.

It doesn't matter if all the automatic appraisals say it's worth $10k

It doesn't matter if you played golf with the president of Lobsters-R-Us

It doesn't matter if you bought the domain for $1

The most important thing that matters is if there are potential end users with a realistic chance of wanting to buy it! Period. "." Exclamation Point! "!"

I know it doesn't mean much to you, but ShellYeh(.)com appraises for more than ShellYeah(.)com at 2 of the 3 appraisers that most domainers use. I'm sure you don't know why, but that's because you're living in the past

Please STOP referencing automated appraisals for brandables! Just STOP !!! They are almost completely irrelevant for brandables. Even you have said in the past they aren't reliable ... yet each time you start a thread like this you use them indirectly to justify something. If an automated evaluator puts it at $10k .. it in no way means it's a bad domain .. but when you have 30 domainers telling you that the wording is wrong or that the term isn't usable for an end user .. then I'm sorry to say that the domain is worthless!

And that's not to say that nobody should handreg ... but it's significantly harder to find good domains to handreg than it is to find good expiring domains. In the past year I think I've hand reg'ed about a dozen or less domains at regular (DCC discounted) pricing. Mainly while watching the news, and seeing something in a potential future trend that could be commercialised. Then the other day I also bought 50 .co at $1 that were technically handreg's .. but were actually older drops. (In the last year and a bit I've sold 3 .co each in the $1k range and I'm quite confident I'll make money)

Inventing terms or one-offs and then handreg'ing them is very risky. Particularly if for some unknown reason you're keen on also registering 50+ variants or related/associated concepts like with all your "simpli___" domains.

What concerns me the most is that you seem to have convinced people to invest with you (I think you've mentioned 2 people at $5k each). I really want to drive the point that that is not domaining. It in no way means your domains are any good (although admittedly it doesn't mean they are bad .. it's just that in your specific cases like your 50x Simpli____.com domains .. they are indeed bad).

What you're trying to do is "Business Development". Which you claim to have done successfully in the past .. how true that is I'm not entirely sure of. But based on your posts here over the past year or so you clearly do NOT know much about "Online Business".

So congratulations to you on being a good salesman in getting people to invest in your business "concepts" .. but please note that this is a domaining forum not a business development forum .. and purely in terms of domains and branding, most of the domains you've presented in the various threads you've started proclaiming how wonderful you are, are simply not good!

I really would not be looking forward to being in your shoes a year after your initial "investments" at renewal time when faced with full priced renewals and having to explain to your "investors" that they will need to invest more money just to maintain the names .. as well as invest significantly more if they actually want to see the businesses developed.

I really hope for your case that you find a nice gullible unicorn investor who has enough money to pay for the development and marketing needed to overcome all those poor domain names. There are such people looking to invest in anything "tech" .. the one quality you have is (painful) persistence .. so hopefully you stick around long enough to get lucky in that way ... but realise that even if you do get an investor(s) that it does not mean your domains are any good (I seem to recall seeing at least one or two that weren't so bad .. so hopefully you will learn more before spending too much more).

I also strongly suggest you go to Domain Sherpa and do a search for "Sherpa Reviews" that contain the term "One-Off" .. I think more than anything else learning more about that type of very common mistake will help you get to the next level! I really hope you end up understanding .. because I really can't take any more threads like this one! lol


PS .. AcSel is not a good name .. in terms of a domain (which I admit wasn't a priority in 1978), unless it's a business that's mostly B2B (where business cards rule and thus the radio test matters less), people will go to Axel.com and the company will lose business and confidential emails.

 

[urljunky]

Shellyeh! Great name!
Don't listen to these "Haters"!
It is one hell of eh name.
Keep up the hard work.
I love your threads. It gives me hope.

 

[urljunky]

Report that one

 

[alex067]

Hey NY Jimbo...I own plenty of domains where GD appraises them for more than the examples you reference. Interesting, you should check out appraisals for hand reg's; rxrentals.com at GD and Rx.rentals. I'm not sure how it happened, but Rx.rentals wasn't "Premium" when it was reg'd a few months ago, but maybe GD realized who was doing the hand regging Now show me the kind of junk you reg? Inquiring minds would luv to know.

GoDaddy puts every single domain as a "premium" domain once you put it on sale...

Ategy is 100% spot on, "Please STOP referencing automated appraisals for brandables! Just STOP !!! They are almost completely irrelevant for brandables." ITS TIME TO STOP

This makes 100% sense considering the algorithm behind automated appraisals. All appraisals are calculated based on historical sales within that keyword. Therefore, brandable names are NEVER, not even close to being accurately appraised, since the words are essentially made up.

 

[JB Lions]

PS .. AcSel is not a good name .. in terms of a domain (which I admit wasn't a priority in 1978).

That one I was a little confused on when he said he sold the name, wasn't sure in what aspect. Since the first domain wasn't registered until 1985 and you couldn't really use them (for sites, no browsers existed) until the 1990's.

 

[Bertrell]

Inventing terms or one-offs and then handreg'ing them is very risky. Particularly if for some unknown reason you're keen on also registering 50+ variants or related/associated concepts

There were some very good points in the post. This one, I believe...was spot-on.

 

[Satyajit Adhikary]

Hand reg isn't bad. But your post exactly shows what is wrong with hand reg.

Here is what is bad with hand reg:
"We get an idea, invent a very beautiful brandable name and search to register it.
But when we find the name is already taken, we get desperate and sad. To cope up with this, we try to compromise with the name by trying its not-so-beautiful variations"

When your invented domain isn't available, accept the fact and move on. Don't settle for a lesser quality and justify it with stupid appraisals.

 

[wot]

OP do you actually sell any of those 1500+ names you own or do you buy them because they make nice ornaments that few can appreciate?

 

[nomen]

@Bulloney The biggest problem with newbies (such as yourself) registering domains is that you have absolutely no idea what is a good domain or what kind of domains has a chance of selling.

You reg obscure domains and then try to force them to mean something. From the perspective of a possible buyer that would mean that the buyer tries to come up with a domain, and every time he/she finds that this or that domain is taken, he/she comes up with a worse domain until the domain is the worst possible, and then he/she pays you the big bucks for it. What makes you think that people who buy domains from the aftermarket are idiots?