The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

Palestinians dead - 58
Israelis dead - 0

Seems balanced

Crazy watching liberals side with Iranian backed terrorist. On the bright side, the Jews controlling the weather mad sure it was a nice day for the dedication ceremony.

 

[mr-x]

Carved in Stone, the sign of today's newly opened US embassy in the Israeli Capital of Jerusalem

Now the Arab world is gonna go apesh*t for a month or two, with the pathetic Liberal Media on their side, squewing the news and telling us that Israel has reacted disproportianety to Palestinian provocations and violence...

Didn't bother Saudi Arabia.

 

[JB Lions]

Crazy watching liberals side with Iranian backed terrorist. On the bright side, the Jews controlling the weather mad sure it was a nice day for the dedication ceremony.

58-0 balanced?

Also, what would you do if somebody that lived next to you, one of your neighbors, started encroaching on your land, would you:

a. fight for it
b. let them have it
?

 

[enlytend]

Why does 45 mysteriously want to help ZTE - a Chinese patent thief which has deliberately built back doors into its products so it can spy on government officials? How does this help American business and save American jobs? Why not support US companies instead?

http://m.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2145808/trump-indonesia-project-latest-stop-chinas-belt-and-road

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/china-contributing-500-million-trump-linked-project-indonesia/

52 Palestinians killed, over 2000 injured. Unarmed protesters shot and killed. Kids killed. Because the US insisted on unwisely relocating an embassy that didn’t need to be relocated. Contrary to experienced advice at the time the decision was made. More blood on this admnistration’s hands.

And for the “whatabouters” who are going to parrot stats about tragedies under previous administrations...

“Be Best”

If you know better, do better. No excuses.

 

[DNWon]

Palestinians dead - 58
Israelis dead - 0

Seems balanced

Do you realize how silly it is to keep a body count scoreboard to determine if a disagreement is balanced or not. I know you're a sports fan so keeping score is important, but these are lives we are talking about and not the score of the Celtics game!

Crazy watching liberals side with Iranian backed terrorist.

Crazy yes! But certainly not surprising! As long as it's anti-Trump the libs will sympathize with terrorist backed organizations! We see that a lot here!
I noticed not one lib here condemned Iran for burning the American flag and chanting death to America on their Parliment floor. They were probably happy to see that as well?

CNN is a sh*t-hole organization that has destroyed any credibility they had.

Amen! I used to love CNN because their news coverage was timely and thorough, now it's just a shell of it's former self, and totally unwatchable! I can't get through a 5 minute segment without hearing something that is strictly a twisted one-sided opinion that usually doesn't qualify as factual or even newsworthy! It's one big opinion piece!

Democrats have gone all in on obstruction of President Trump's nominees, polices.

It's truly pathetic, and they're not even trying to hide it!

52 Palestinians killed, over 2000 injured. Unarmed protesters shot and killed. Kids killed. Because the US insisted on unwisely relocating an embassy that didn’t need to be relocated. Contrary to experienced advice at the time the decision was made. More blood on this admnistration’s hands.

How do you even remotely believe some of the drivel that comes out of your keyboard? Because Isreal is defending their border wall, after warning Palestinians that terrorist activities would be dealt with harshly, it's the US with blood on their hands. You're commentary is foolish and ill-informed!

 

[BRANDERX]

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Didn't bother Saudi Arabia.

Dear @mr-x

I am in neighboring Jordan & I would like to bring a few points to your attention.

-It didn't bother Saudia Arabia's government, because that paranoid regime is on a mission to empower themselves at the expense of all others around them.

-Moving the Embassy doesn't bother us because we don't recognize Isreal's right to exist. Israel is there, always will be.
It bothers us because we know this means the end of a two-state solution. Where East Jerusalem was supposed to be the capital of a future Palestinian state. Most Ex Israeli Mossad chiefs said so.

Many in Israel except for the ruling party, do support a two state solution, many recognize that Israel cannot be a Jewish Democratic state with Palestinians being the majority & second class citizens.

-Sure, Hamas's practices are not legit & their actions, both political & militant are questionable to say the least, BUT & its a big BUT, The innocent people killed in Gaza are not terrorists, & were not Hamas militants, they were extremely poor (unarmed) civilians, men, woman & children. Shot down like sitting ducks.

Last but not least: Dude, most Arabs(Muslims & Crhistians) are fascinated by you guys in the US, believe it or not, most love you guys.

Sure we have problems, we have bad apples but believe me, the vast majority of us are peace loving individuals who just want to live in peace & prosperity.

Ramadan is around the corner guys & I wish all (Jews, Christians & Muslims, all other religions & non-believers) in the world a happy peaceful month.

Thank you,

 

[enlytend]

Regardless of who you vote for, the computerized voting systems in the US raise some serious concerns.

“Last year, the Defcon hackers’ conference sponsored a Voting Village. Organizers collected 25 pieces of voting equipment, including voting machines and electronic poll books. By the end of the weekend, conference attendees had found ways to compromise every piece of test equipment: to load malicious software, compromise vote tallies and audit logs, or cause equipment to fail.”
​

Great article by security expert Bruce Scheier. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/18/american-elections-hack-bruce-scheier

 

[mr-x]

....
Dear @mr-x

I am in neighboring Jordan & I would like to bring a few points to your attention.

-It didn't bother Saudia Arabia's government, because that paranoid regime is on a mission to empower themselves at the expense of all others around them.

-Moving the Embassy doesn't bother us because we don't recognize Isreal's right to exist. Israel is there, always will be.
It bothers us because we know this means the end of a two-state solution. Where East Jerusalem was supposed to be the capital of a future Palestinian state. Most Ex Israeli Mossad chiefs said so.

Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem doesn't prevent a two state solution. It just acknowledges that is Israels capital. Everything is open to negotiation.

If Palestine denounced violence, they would have the support of the entire EU and most of the USA for a two state solution. Palestine doesn't want a two state solution, they want to kill every Jew in Israel.

"Anyone who relinquishes a single inch of Jerusalem is neither an Arab nor a Muslim.” —Yasser Arafat (Voice of Palestine, Algiers, 2 September 1993).

Hamas charter intro: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)."

Israel is the lone liberal democracy in the middle east. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Arabs all live and vote under the same rule of law.

Many in Israel except for the ruling party, do support a two state solution, many recognize that Israel cannot be a Jewish Democratic state with Palestinians being the majority & second class citizens.

-Sure, Hamas's practices are not legit & their actions, both political & militant are questionable to say the least, BUT & its a big BUT, The innocent people killed in Gaza are not terrorists, & were not Hamas militants, they were extremely poor (unarmed) civilians, men, woman & children. Shot down like sitting ducks.

** edit : I agree many in Israel would accept a two state solution., Gov's on both sides do not.

I read this morning that Hamas is paying a reward to people who reach the border fence and using catapults to launch incendiaries. Palestine pays the family of people who go to Israel and kill Jews.

Last but not least: Dude, most Arabs(Muslims & Crhistians) are fascinated by you guys in the US, believe it or not, most love you guys.

Sure we have problems, we have bad apples but believe me, the vast majority of us are peace loving individuals who just want to live in peace & prosperity.

Ramadan is around the corner guys & I wish all (Jews, Christians & Muslims, all other religions & non-believers) in the world a happy peaceful month.

Thank you,

I'm not passing judgement or trying to degenerate anyone. I try to speak factually. Israeli Gov has their own problem and have been very harsh in response to Palestine, especially in the past.

I truly believe if Palestine Gov wanted peace, their would be peace. That can't happen when the Palestinian Auth and Hamas using civilians as fodder for headlines.

If I'm wrong or offend you unjustly, please tell me. Thank you for you kind thoughts.

 

[mr-x]

Regardless of who you vote for, the computerized voting systems in the US raise some serious concerns.

“Last year, the Defcon hackers’ conference sponsored a Voting Village. Organizers collected 25 pieces of voting equipment, including voting machines and electronic poll books. By the end of the weekend, conference attendees had found ways to compromise every piece of test equipment: to load malicious software, compromise vote tallies and audit logs, or cause equipment to fail.”
​

Great article by security expert Bruce Scheier. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/18/american-elections-hack-bruce-scheier

Don't trust anyone who says paper printouts of ballots are not needed.

 

[mr-x]

How do you even remotely believe some of the drivel that comes out of your keyboard? Because Isreal is defending their border wall, after warning Palestinians that terrorist activities would be dealt with harshly, it's the US with blood on their hands. You're commentary is foolish and ill-informed!

It's Nuts.. It's President Trump's fault Hamas is sending fighters to the border mixed with civilians for cover, throwing grenades, using catapults, fire bombs.

People have lost their minds.

 

[mr-x]

And for the “whatabouters” who are going to parrot stats about tragedies under previous administrations...

“Be Best”

If you know better, do better. No excuses.

Short for, don't hold me to the same standards I used two years ago.

 

[mr-x]

58-0 balanced?

Also, what would you do if somebody that lived next to you, one of your neighbors, started encroaching on your land, would you:

a. fight for it
b. let them have it
?

You're being a troll. I don't want to debate 80 years of history with you.

 

[mr-x]

You know what's worse than an extra scoop of ice cream?

The font size of President Trump's name on US embassy dedication plaque

 

[BRANDERX]

Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem doesn't prevent a two state solution. It just acknowledges that is Israels capital. Everything is open to negotiation.

If Palestine denounced violence, they would have the support of the entire EU and most of the USA for a two state solution. Palestine doesn't want a two state solution, they want to kill every Jew in Israel.

"Anyone who relinquishes a single inch of Jerusalem is neither an Arab nor a Muslim.” —Yasser Arafat (Voice of Palestine, Algiers, 2 September 1993).

Hamas charter intro: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)."

Israel is the lone liberal democracy in the middle east. Christians, Muslims, Jews, Arabs all live and vote under the same rule of law.



Hamas is paying a reward to people who reach the border fence and using catapults to launch incendiaries. Palestine pays the family of people who go to Israel and kill Jews.



I'm not passing judgement or trying to degenerate anyone. I try to speak factually. Israeli Gov has their own problem and have been very harsh in response to Palestine, especially in the past.

I truly believe if Palestine Gov wanted peace, their would be peace. That can't happen when the Palestinian Auth and Hamas using civilians as fodder for headlines.

If I'm wrong or offend you unjustly, please tell me. Thank you for you kind thoughts.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. No offense taken. We're just having a friendly conversation.

Moving the Embassy doesn't prevent a two state solution, thats right, & thats according to the US, because the US government does support a two state solution.

This solution is supposed to include East Jerusalem as the capital city of Palestine. Have you heard Neftaali Bennet speak yesterday? He said in an interview with Becky Anderson of CNN, "Jerusalem will never be divided again & since we gave Gaza to the Palestinians to create a state & it turned out to be a terrorist state, we'll never allow anything similar to happen again" what does that mean? Its pretty obvious.

@mr-x , East Jerusalem is an "illegally occupied territory" according to international law. Every country on earth supports a two state solution.

Jerusalem is a holy city, important to all Abrahimic faiths.

About the people you quoted, we are the children of today.

The Palestinian authority is corrupt, didn't you know that? They have been a subcontractor for the Israeli government for years. Palestinians are just as frustrated with them as with anyone else.

On the killings: the Israeli army & leadership are merciless, they have killed 60 since yesterday, for attempting to cross the border & throwing rocks not grenades as you said. These are civilians, uneducated poor civilians.

Gaza has been a huge prison for the past decade. As a result of the Israeli decade long blockade.
No water, no food, no medicine, no work, no education. nothing whatsoever. isn't this inhuman?

Let them cross the border & arrest them, why indiscriminately kill women & children?

Dude, the Palestinian people have suffered enough. please understand that.

Thanks

 

[mr-x]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. No offense taken. We're just having a friendly conversation.

Moving the Embassy doesn't prevent a two state solution, thats right, & thats according to the US, because the US government does support a two state solution.

This solution is supposed to include East Jerusalem as the capital city of Palestine. Have you heard Neftaali Bennet speak yesterday? He said in an interview with Becky Anderson of CNN, "Jerusalem will never be divided again & since we gave Gaza to the Palestinians to create a state & it turned out to be a terrorist state, we'll never allow anything similar to happen again" what does that mean? Its pretty obvious.

I agree neither Palestine or Israel Gov's want a two state solution.

@mr-x , East Jerusalem is an "illegally occupied territory" according to international law. Every country on earth supports a two state solution.

Except Iran, Syria, Palestine, Israel and the USA apparently.

Jerusalem is a holy city, important to all Abrahimic faiths.

About the people you quoted, we are the children of today.

The Palestinian authority is corrupt, didn't you know that? They have been a subcontractor for the Israeli government for years. Palestinians are just as frustrated with them as with anyone else.

Corrupt? yes, Sub-contractor? I don't think so. Palestine needs to stop teaching hate to their children.

Governments sometimes have different priorities than the Governed. I don't know how to stop this except both sides agree to stop fighting.

On the killings: the Israeli army & leadership are merciless, they have killed 60 since yesterday, for attempting to cross the border & throwing rocks not grenades as you said. These are civilians, uneducated poor civilians.

Gaza has been a huge prison for the past decade. As a result of the Israeli decade long blockade.
No water, no food, no medicine, no work, no education. nothing whatsoever. isn't this inhuman?

Let them cross the border & arrest them, why indiscriminately kill women & children?

Dude, the Palestinian people have suffered enough. please understand that.

Thanks

The videos I've watched and the interviews with Palestinians are pretty damming. They want violence and the resulting media sympathy.

Let me ask you a question, why are Palestinians taking children to a border riot?

 

[mr-x]

52 Palestinians killed, over 2000 injured. Unarmed protesters shot and killed. Kids killed. Because the US insisted on unwisely relocating an embassy that didn’t need to be relocated. Contrary to experienced advice at the time the decision was made. More blood on this admnistration’s hands.

Why are Palestinians taking children to a border riot? Is that President Trump's fault or their parents?

 

[mr-x]

Hamas Planned The Violence On The Gaza Border. The Media Act As Their Propaganda Arm.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/30638/hamas-planned-violence-gaza-border-media-act-their-ben-shapiro

We will tear out their hearts.

 

[GILSAN]

The Israeli government is doing what all governments should be doing which is, to protect their citizens.

Hamas are the ones with blood in their hands for instigating and organising these incursions and sending these young Arabs, includig women and children to their deaths, but the Palestinian and Arab population in surrounding countries are too filled with hate to see they are being manipulated.

If they simply dropped their stupid mantra that Israel should not exist (as someone mentioned a few posts back) and declare peace they would be showered with money and expertise from the Americans and Israelis to rebuild Gaza into a modern state.

They choose confrontation over peace. Everytime they start another intifada they come out losing with a lot more casualties than the Israelis. They keep on insisting on the same methods, in the hope that the Israeli Forces someday will fight back with stones, instead of live amunition, just as the stupid Liberal Media wants.

It's disproportionate, the Media keep telling us. When a country is surrounded by enemies that want to remove you from the face of the earth, surrounded by people who's main regret is that Hitler didn't get to finish the job, then the word disproportionate means nothing. They (the media) can go to hell.

BTW, the America Embassy is in West Jerusalem, something that the Liberal Media is not mentioning. Other countries will move their embassies there in the near future. Hamas is gonna be busy protesting and sending more people to their deaths.

 

[GILSAN]

Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., 2000 years BEFORE the RISE of Islam.
Arab refugees began identifying themselves as PART of a Palestinian people in 1967, TWO decades AFTER the establishment of the modern STATE of Israel.
Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion OVER the LAND for 1000 years with a continuous PRESENCE in the LAND for the past 3300 years.
For over 3300 years, Jerusalem has BEEN the JEWISH capital. Jerusalem has NEVER been the capital of any ARAB or MUSLIM entity.
Jerusalem is mentioned OVER 700 times in Bible. Jerusalem is NOT mentioned ONCE in the Koran.
Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were NOT driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to LEAVE Israel by ARAB LEADERS, Sixty-eight percent LEFT without ever SEEING an Israeli soldier.
The ARAB nations STARTED all FIVE wars and LOST all FIVE. Israel defended ITSELF each TIME and WON.
The British Mandate for Palestine, later adopted by the UN and STILL legally binding, called for the “establishment in Palestine of a national HOME for the JEWISH people.”

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/History/Pages/Facts about Israel- History.aspx

 

[BRANDERX]

I am not filled with hate like you said. I am filled with love.

May peace be upon you.

take care.

 

[mr-x]

I am not filled with hate like you said. I am filled with love.

May peace be upon you.

take care.

God bless you!

 

[DNWon]

If they simply dropped their stupid mantra that Israel should not exist

"Anyone who relinquishes a single inch of Jerusalem is neither an Arab nor a Muslim.” —Yasser Arafat (Voice of Palestine, Algiers, 2 September 1993).

Hamas charter intro: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)."

The above is all you really need to know, to realize that peace will be futile in the Middle East!
Until Arab leadership acknowledges Israel's right to exist the prospects of a true peace are farfetched.

 

[mr-x]

Differences in news coverage between the Jerusalem embassy move and the Obama administration announcing normalized relations with Cuba.

 

[enlytend]

@MS-Domains - thanks for your input on this subject. It's always helpful to get the perspective of someone who knows the region and issues first hand than to rely solely on 3rd party accounts.

 

[JB Lions]

Do you realize how silly it is to keep a body count scoreboard to determine if a disagreement is balanced or not. I know you're a sports fan so keeping score is important, but these are lives we are talking about and not the score of the Celtics game!

No kidding there are lives we're talking about, that's my point, it's not matched aggression. Then you follow up talking about the flag being burned. It seems you're more upset about that.

You're being a troll. I don't want to debate 80 years of history with you.

No, it's just you copping out again. Some Palestinians have actually taken them to Israeli court about that encroachment and won.