I think there is a decline in demand and price of .com domains because of new gTLDs. What's your opinion ?
never said that ngtlds are all over the place, just that europeans are more open to use them then US, so they have a market here.
The hard market for them is US because of .com usage, but in most places end users are not tied to a certain tld so much
For us as a domainer .com for sure has more value because of the sale tag, but for an end user from outside US not so much...
I can give you another example, a it company with offices in 7 european countries and Australia and I needed two months to explain them why they could use .com, the owner never wanted to buy, eventually the it guy said the will pay some symbolic amount just to forward it, otherwise they don't need it
I never said that ngtlds are all over the place, just that europeans are more open to use them then US, so they have a market here.
More reality than actually talking with end users? You should say that to some of my friends using them, when .com is available and try to convince them. Also, I know at least 5 companies which are using a ngtld when the com is available and I'm talking about companies who could afford to pay xxxx for their tld or who are paying premium renewal for their ngtls, but I could not find a cheap offer for .com and I will not pay 50$ to register them to prove my point, when I will find a cheap promo, I will point them out. Also, for sure that out of 30 million regs you will find other thousands-hundred of thousands doing the same, that doesn't mean that they are the majority, but it's a trend which means acceptance.Not based on reality/numbers. I posted links earlier. There is more adoption in the US. China half. Europe, not so much.
More reality than actually talking with end users? You should say that to some of my friends using them, when .com is available and try to convince them. Also, I know at least 5 companies which are using a ngtld when the com is available and I'm talking about companies who could afford to pay xxxx for their tld or who are paying premium renewal for their ngtls, but I could not find a cheap offer for .com and I will not pay 50$ to register them to prove my point, when I will find a cheap promo, I will point them out. Also, for sure that out of 30 million regs you will find other thousands-hundred of thousands doing the same, that doen't mean that they are the majority, but it's a trend which means acceptance.
I'm talking about acceptance..not real usage, I would like to see how you can measure that if you choose to stay in US and suppose that you know what most europeans are thinking, you can have a taste of reality by visiting some EU countries.Yes, more reality. Real numbers, not somebody talking to a few friends.
I'm talking about acceptance..not real usage, I would like to see how you can measure that if you choose to stay in US and suppose that you know what most europeans are thinking, you can have a taste of reality by visiting some EU countries.
People who are commenting here and assuming that gTLDs or other extensions do not affect .com market have no idea about basic economics or how the markets work.
Of course, any other extension than .com is affecting .com sales and growth.
If you have more competitors in a market this means you will lose a certain amount of percentage in the market. If the number of competitors raises you will lose your customers to your alternatives.
If there were only .com available in the market it means that this extension is the monopoly for the industry.
But today there are hundreds of extensions available to register and millions of them registered by end users and domainers. So .Com is losing their market share to their competitors. Period.
It's faulty for you...as I said earlier, I will not register names at 10$ a piece just to prove my point, when I will find a 1-2$ com promo I will point it out. They are using ngtlds as combination of brandables and a hack, exactly how you would use a cctld for a suffix, the only thing is that they have real words to do so, they use fire.club instead of fireclub.com or real.estate instead of realestate.com, so they have a general tld to do so and a catchy/brandable, where the actual tld looks better and catchy for them than with something extra.I would say they are less likely to use them not more.
They are very ccTLD and local language centric and that works against nGTLDs.
They are using ccTLDs that is why they don't buy nGTLDs.
I think this logic is faulty. You assume because some companies on a ccTLD don't care about .com means that the nGTLDs will be used.
I say if a company don't want .com they will want nGTLD even less.
The fact that ccTLDs are popular does not make nGTLDs stronger it makes them weaker.
People who are commenting here and assuming that gTLDs or other extensions do not affect .com market have no idea about basic economics or how the markets work.
Of course, any other extension than .com is affecting .com sales and growth.
If you have more competitors in a market this means you will lose a certain amount of percentage in the market. If the number of competitors raises you will lose your customers to your alternatives.
If there were only .com available in the market it means that this extension is the monopoly for the industry.
But today there are hundreds of extensions available to register and millions of them registered by end users and domainers. So .Com is losing their market share to their competitors. Period.
Yes, and I pointed out tens number of companies which they are using ngtld( for which they paid xxxx-xxxxx) and the com is parked or not revolving, or in some cases .com is available and we are talking about companies who raised hundred of millions, companies who have owners like Robert Downey JR or companies who work with Lego, Disney and othersBesides real numbers I posted, you had Kate, passini etc post about what they're seeing. But you talked to a few friends.
Maybe, you're unaware of the alternatives to .com that existed before the new gtlds came along? That's where it's having an affect.
If they couldn't get a .com, then they settled for a .net, .info or whatever. Now they can settle for one of the new gtlds.
Yes, and I pointed out tens number of companies which they are using ngtld( for which they paid xxxx-xxxxx) and the com is parked or not revolving, or in some cases .com is available and we are talking about companies who raised hundred of millions, companies who have owners like Robert Downey JR or companies who work with Lego, Disney and others
It's faulty for you...as I said earlier, I will not register names at 10$ a piece just to prove my point, when I will find a 1-2$ com promo I will point it out. They are using ngtlds as combination of brandables and a hack, exactly how you would use a cctld for a suffix, the only thing is that they have real words to do so, they use fire.club instead of fireclub.com or real.estate instead of realestate.com, so they have a general tld to do so and a catchy/brandable, where the actual tld looks better and catchy for them than with something extra.
The big mistake you make is thinking as a domainer and try to give a certain dollar value to a tld..if you ask an end users, they don't give any dollar value to a tld, for them it's valuable if they can use it properly and not loose customers. Also, I've heard the story where you loose traffic to a com but I could not prove on any on my .com names, even do I own a few where the equivalent tld is used by certain companies some with over 500 employees, so not small companies, but I can see any extra traffic coming from them, just the occasional few a month, like for any other .com, maybe others have better experiences.this is one in hundred or one in thousand. 37 reported sales worldwide last month.
creditcard.cc looks great too. How much is it worth?
http://domainincite.com/7992-o-co-loses-61-of-its-traffic-to-o-comThe big mistake you make is thinking as a domainer and try to give a certain dollar value to a tld..if you ask an end users, they don't give any dollar value to a tld, for them it's valuable if they can use it properly and not loose customers. Also, I've heard the story where you loose traffic to a com but I could not prove on any on my .com names, even do I own a few where the equivalent tld is used by certain companies some with over 500 employees, so not small companies, but I can see any extra traffic coming from them, just the occasional few a month, like for any other .com, maybe others have better experiences.
Overstock.com’s decision to rebrand itself O.co had a disastrous effect on the internet retailer’s traffic, according to its CEO.
The big mistake you make is thinking as a domainer and try to give a certain dollar value to a tld..if you ask end users, they don't give any dollar value to a tld, for them it's valuable if they can use it properly and not loose customers.
People who are commenting here and assuming that gTLDs or other extensions do not affect .com market have no idea about basic economics or how the markets work.
Of course, any other extension than .com is affecting .com sales and growth.
If you have more competitors in a market this means you will lose a certain amount of percentage in the market. If the number of competitors raises you will lose your customers to your alternatives.
If there were only .com available in the market it means that this extension is the monopoly for the industry.
But today there are hundreds of extensions available to register and millions of them registered by end users and domainers. So .Com is losing their market share to their competitors. Period.
Yes, I know the story, but it's not proved, as the article say: Quote- 'It’s not clear what the source of the data is, or why the measurement given was out of 13' .So, the the company was down 3% in a certain year and the CEO had to find somebody to blame in front on the stockholders, without saying how he knows and what method he used, but it's used by .com owners every time, I received the same link a few times now. I'm asking you, real data that you own, for sure you have .com's which are used by other companies in .org, net, cctlds or ngtlds and you could genuinely say that you have lots of traffic coming from them, I own over 10 and for neither one I can say that I have extra traffic.http://domainincite.com/7992-o-co-loses-61-of-its-traffic-to-o-com
if this is true why is the .com registration count going up while nGTLD count is going down?
@boker you won`t be able to change their mind, this is just waste of time. Just ignore what they are saying. They will suck all the energy you got with their ignorance. There is no point to discuss. At least this is how I feel about them. Same people same ignorance. Just let it go. Cause I don`t really care their ideas anymore.Yes, I know the story, but it's not proved, as the article say: Quote- 'It’s not clear what the source of the data is, or why the measurement given was out of 13' .So, the the company was down 3% in a certain year and the CEO had to find somebody to blame in front on the stockholders, without saying how he knows and what method he used, but it's used by .com owners every time, I received the same link a few times now. I'm asking you, real data that you own, for sure you have .com's which are used by other companies in .org, net, cctlds or ngtlds and you could genuinely say that you have lots of traffic coming from them, I own over 10 and for neither one I can say that I have extra traffic.
@dordomai don`t give me the business101 bs cause you have no idea what you are talking about. Check the numbers and you will see millions of customer choose other extensions than .com. This means .com lose that amount of customer to other extensions.
These people are living in their own reality and can`t accept the real facts about how the market works.
Partly flawed argument.If you have more competitors in a market this means you will lose a certain amount of percentage in the market. If the number of competitors raises you will lose your customers to your alternatives.
I answered at least one of the two questions asked in this thread:
Are gTLDs affecting .Com price and growth
As for growth, you can judge for yourself. PS: .com domains are not given away for free or $0.01 unlike some nTLDs, which figures were massively inflated.
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Also it is a mistake to think of it as a zero-sum game. Just because somebody registers a NTLD doesn't mean they don't register .com too, or that they would have otherwise registered a .com instead of a nTLD.
Defensive registrations are another example. Corporations register domains in new extensions just to protect their brands. Otherwise they would hardly buy any.
Partly flawed argument.
If I have good .com domains, I don't care about weak domains in nTLDs, they are not really competing against me, but against other weaker extensions, or weaker domains.
Also, when someone buys a domain name for regfee, usually it's not business lost to domainers anyway. That person had no intention of buying a name on the aftermarket. They just bought whatever they found available for regfee. Doesn't mean more extensions are stealing business from you.
Real competition exists when there is an alternative product of similar quality or priced right to offset the inferior quality. When somebody is trying to sell an inferior product at huge prices, this is hardly competition.
We could also say that ccTLDs are competing against .com. So what ? I buy ccTLDs too. But mature ccTLDs only, that have end user demand.
Kate, you are saying that hand reg doesn't affect the value of .com for domainers, because they will not pay anyway for an aftermarket domain and try proving your point by giving a statistic with the total number of registrations, where over 90% are hand regged, but you don't say that the average sale value has reached 500$, the lowest point in ten years...for me looks like a flawed logic.
Regarding the competition between com and cctld/ngtld, the examples I was giving are companies who payed xxxx-xxxxx for they ngtlds where com is parked, not revolving and in some instances available to reg, or in the case of cctld, big players who don't care about .com( including big UK players) when with one hour of revenue from their activity could pay for the com, but decided that it's not worth it.
Don't get me wrong, 80% of my portofolio and 80% of my sales are .com's, but that doesn't mean I cant see a trend and that it doesn't make me think what will be in 3-5-10 years. Exactly how you can use data to know that China will surpass US GDP by 2020 and will be double until 2030, exactly the same you can use the same data regarding future value of any tld.
I have sold 9 .co's in the last year, much more then I've sold ngtld, but reading the data, asking every end user or business owners what they think, make's me think that in 3-5 years I should base my sales on ngtlds. I'm not talking about short term, like in the next year, because I'm sure that still .com will make the most sales, but they are going down in value month by month, until they will reach a bottom, my idea is that they will stop when they will reach around 30% of their highest value. I think that somewhere in 3-5 years, 50% of the aftermarket sales will be done by gtlds, 30% of the sales by .com, and 20% of sales done by cctlds and some individual old legacy gtlds(.net, .org). Time will say who will be right and who was wrong and probably everybody will invest how they think is best. Also, I think that never the prices will not be as high as their were( this is valid regarding .com and ngtlds as well).you think nGTLDs are everything that is there. .io, .co and .cc are doing much better. What makes you think the growth will go the nGTLDs?
I have sold 9 .co's in the last year, much more then I've sold ngtld, but reading the data, asking every end user or business owners what they think, make's me think that in 3-5 years I should base my sales on ngtlds. I'm not talking about short term, like in the next year, because I'm sure that still .com will make the most sales, but they are going down in value month by month, until they will reach a bottom, my idea is that they will stop when they will reach around 30% of their highest value. I think that somewhere in 3-5 years, 50% of the aftermarket sales will be done by gtlds, 30% of the sales by .com, and 20% of sales done by cctlds and some individual old legacy gtlds(.net, .org). Time will say who will be right and who was wrong and probably everybody will invest how they think is best. Also, I think that never the prices will not be as high as their were( this is valid regarding .com and ngtlds as well).
Again, I'm not talking about actual sales, when you release over 1k tld's, peoples have millions of tld to choose from, so first they will register what's good and just after that they will start buying in the aftermarket, this is the reason why it takes so long time. Also, if in 2015 you hardly could see some ngtlds used by end users and they didn't know anything about them, now I'm dealing with few who are using ngtlds and I know more of them who own or build new businesses with them. From my view, this is another 1990 regarding tlds, when you could use it to build for the future, but probably it's a little bit early if you want a big portofolio and keep them for 5-10 years, because they will eat all your ROI, until constant sales will start showing up.These are the nGTLD sales reports from Namebio:
2015: 1,360
2016: 1,285
2017: 577
I don't see any growth in reported sales, it looks like a decline.