The future of .COM after new gTLDs boom! Big DROP?!

[New.Life]

According to the data and this simple chart:

http://www.registrarstats.com/TLDDomainCounts.aspx

Is there a BIG drop? Coming soon?

 

[Brands.International]

Not following what you're talking about:

"if car.shop will not be available, second choice would be something like carshop.com,"

The .com would be the first choice, not second.

And then what trend are you talking about? There is a huge price increase for keyword1.keyword2?

As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever
I appreciate that you do not see it that way, that is why we invest in totally different names, which is fine.

 

[JB Lions]

As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever
I appreciate that you do not see it that way, that is why we invest in totally different names, which is fine.

I don't see it that way because it's not reality, just wishful thinking, and nothing is pointing to that happening. It's just the ongoing new gltd investors trying to convince each other/sell each other on the idea. Their value isn't going to hop over .com. It's just ridiculous. Can't even recall 1 sale of that happening, yet in a few years you think this will be commonplace.

 

[Brands.International]

Everything is pointing to that happening..you just need to study more about the topic and learn directly from people who actually are heavily investing in gTLDs (which is not my case at all, I own hardly 1% of what these guys have).

Are you yourself investing into new gTLDs?

 

[JB Lions]

Everything is pointing to that happening..you just need to study more about the topic and learn directly from people who actually are heavily investing in gTLDs (which is not my case at all, I own hardly 1% of what these guys have).

Are you yourself investing into new gTLDs?

Post what you got. Give me something real. For example:

"Can't even recall 1 sale of that happening, yet in a few years you think this will be commonplace."

List them.

 

[Brands.International]

Post what you got. Give me something real. For example:

"Can't even recall 1 sale of that happening, yet in a few years you think this will be commonplace."

List them.

Like you want me to post domains, or my sales?

 

[JB Lions]

Like you want me to post domains, or my sales?

Where car.shop is going more for carshop.com

Those type of sales. Any sales like that.

 

[Brands.International]

Ok, I get you now.

Here, I can serve you with personal example. I see you have nice auction ongoing on Flippa. I just flipped few days ago *Cannabis.Something, and I can tell you it was for higher price, that your actual domain TheCannabis at Flippa will achieve, with all the exposure it has. I flipped it to re seller, not even end user.
Once you sell your domain, PM me, and I will PM you the new gTLD name I am speaking about, with its price..you would be surprised how your .com was beaten with new gTLD

 

[JB Lions]

There is no such thing, a .cannabis.

I want you to list some sales.

You said:

"As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever"

You said car.shop value and usability would be far ahead of carshop.com. You said "Everything is pointing to that happening". For that to be true in a few years, there should be some signs, aka sales of that happpening now.

So list them.

 

[Brands.International]

You misunderstood ..the domain which I just flipped is *Cannabis.Something, where keyword is "*Cannabis" and .SOMETHING is new gTLD string (it can be .market, .online, etc).

As I promised, I will send it to you via PM, just to show you that your *Cannabis.com will sell for less in auction then my quick flip of *Cannabis.newgTLD

 

[JB Lions]

You misunderstood ..the domain which I just flipped is *Cannabis.Something, where keyword is "*Cannabis" and .SOMETHING is new gTLD string (it can be .market, .online, etc).

As I promised, I will send it to you via PM, just to show you that your *Cannabis.com will sell for less in auction then my quick flip of *Cannabis.newgTLD

I'm not misunderstanding anything. You're dodging my post because you don't have any examples of what you posted. The Cannabis example is a different order.

wine.club - wineclub.com
car.shop - carshop.com

Give me examples of the new gltd selling for more, what you said.

Again:
"As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever"

That's what I want you to tackle. Back that up.

 

[Brands.International]

I am not going to post publicly my sales here, it is my private issue and nobody elses.
Unlike you, I have most of my domains openly and clearly shown in my marketplace which is in my signature. Where are your domains? You do not provide anything, and would like to see my sales?? Come on..

 

[JB Lions]

I am not going to post publicly my sales here, it is my private issue and nobody elses.
Unlike you, I have most of my domains openly and clearly shown in my marketplace which is in my signature. Where are your domains? You do not provide anything, and would like to see my sales?? Come on..

I didn't say your sales, I said any sales. I just want you to back your post up. I'm only asking for this and nothing else:

"As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever"

So said everything is pointing to that, yet you can't even give me 1 example. In my last post, I clearly laid out what I was looking for.

 

[slader23]

I guess the point is why would we roll out whole extensions just to have some nice word.word domains??

So we can't even cover everything, what's the point? Just stick with what we have already.

Sticking to what we have means that the internet will stop innovating. There has to be logical progression to the next step in the evolution of the internet. There may very well be a .rugs extension but for that to happen, competition must increase drastically and the cost of operating your own ngtld must drop significantly because at the moment the opportunity cost is too high for low potential keyword string ngtlds. This isn't about something being nice or being pretty. This is a very, very serious thing. Its either we innovate or let our system ossify. People will always be hostile to competition and the language, rhetoric and bias positions of numerous users on this thread is a clear reflection of that.. We don't live in the first to market world anymore.

This goes beyond our simplistic view of selling our domains to resellers and end users, its innovate or die. The internet does not slow down and let you squeeze every bit of profit out of your investment, its not here to wait around for you to get every last lick of enjoyment. If that were true we'd all be millionaires. I highly doubt many people actually take the time to do research, most people on this forum just follow the herd and wholeheartedly jump into every .com niche that's in vogue, looking to make quick cash.

I can say that ngtlds are shit and have 1000's of people agree with me without giving me any clear and coherent reasons why, relying on rhetoric and echoing the same irrelevant, uninformed and bias things other people have said but when I see people who sell ngtlds successfully provide me with factual evidence, methods and statistics, it becomes very clear that things are not as black and white as people seem to think it is.


Think about it this way, when you want to learn how to sell a boat do you go to a car salesman? No you go to the boat salesman and learn how about the business from him. Don't listen to people with no experience selling ngtlds because all they'll be able to provide you with is a biased and negatively skewed perspective of the industry. Always go to the source for your information because it cannot be disputed. Someone can say Paul Mockapetris doesn't know shit about selling domains but it only takes a second to realize, that someone like him is thinking beyond our puny world, he's thinking about the future of the internet, he's thinking about everyone. So you can rip into him all you want but its his creation that puts food on your table and money in your coffers so in an all honesty his opinion on the internet is more important than any big domain investor because its his vision that started it all.

 

[Brands.International]

And I have immediately 1 very actual sale which is related to your TheCannabis domain, lol,,which I will send you in PM, as it is my own very recent sale.

As for other sales where new gTLDs are overcoming .com sales, even if I would know something about it, I would not be able to post it here..again, privacy reasons.

 

[JB Lions]

And I have immediately 1 very actual sale which is related to your TheCannabis domain, lol,,which I will send you in PM, as it is my own very recent sale.

As for other sales where new gTLDs are overcoming .com sales, even if I would know something about it, I would not be able to post it here..again, privacy reasons.

You said everything, yet can't provide even 1 example. Fluff, just like most of these new gltd threads. No, car.shop type domains aren't going to be worth more than carshop.com type domains, they're not going to be used more etc.

Sticking to what we have means that the internet will stop innovating. There has to be logical progression to the next step in the evolution of the internet.

It's not innovation, it's just new extensions.

 

[wormfood]

Bro your making such poor arguments. Those names will only work in ngtlds when the ngtld matches the word to left of the dot. There has to be synergy i.e for Persian rugs it would have to be Persian.Rugs for Country Inn it has to be Country.Inn and for clear tax, there is already a matching ngtld , .TAX so for that it will be Clear.Tax. I already know of a private sale of simple.tax for high 4 figures this past week which was reported on the ngtld forum. It actually has to work with the tld to have any value and at this point the only things that work are word+ngtld not word+word+ngtld. Luckily you caught yourself lol, yup it has to be an emd to hold any resale/enduser value. Which is why good .coms like persianrugs will maintain value..I mean..honestly when are we ever gonna need a .rugs ngtld?

Okay, gotcha.

By the way, Isn't simple.tax a brand, not EMD?

 

[Brands.International]

I guess I can provide 1 example : my *Cannabis.newgTLD which I flipped for higher value that you will get for your TheCannabis at Flippa auction with all those bids.

It is not fluff, it is real. And it is just a beginning of new gTLDs..

Well, I can not see your portfolio, so I can not comment on your domains, which is pity..I would like to see some of them

 

[JB Lions]

I guess I can provide 1 example : my *Cannabis.newgTLD which I flipped for higher value that you will get for your TheCannabis at Flippa auction with all those bids.

It is not fluff, it is real. And it is just a beginning of new gTLDs..

Well, I can not see your portfolio, so I can not comment on your domains, which is pity..I would like to see some of them

Look at you dodge. It's not the same order. I went over that in a previous post.

For there to be an equal, there would need to be a the.cannabis

car.shop - carshop.com
wine.club - wineclub.com

Get it?

 

[Brands.International]

I do not understand your first sentence, and also the second one..what do you mean?

 

[wormfood]

I think he just wants you to show any sales where word1.word2 sold for more than word1word2.com.

 

[slader23]

Okay, gotcha.

By the way, Isn't simple.tax a brand, not EMD?

Its a Canadian brand so only Canadian TM rules apply, it would be hard to file a udrp on that. There is a US trade &service mark for tax preperation but not tax software, which is what simple tax is being used for. Smart buy for the buyer and good sale for the seller.

 

[JB Lions]

I do not understand your first sentence, and also the second one..what do you mean?

You don't understand? It's from your own post:

"As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever"

You compared car.shop to carshop.com .net etc

Words in the same order. You said in a few years, the car.shop type domains will have more value/usability. If that were true, you could at least come up with some examples now. You haven't.

I think he just wants you to show any sales where word1.word2 sold for more than word1word2.com.

Exactly.

 

[wormfood]

Sticking to what we have means that the internet will stop innovating. There has to be logical progression to the next step in the evolution of the internet. ... This is a very, very serious thing. Its either we innovate or let our system ossify. ....
its innovate or die.

I don't understand what's so serious. What would happen? Specifically. What would be so terrible about never having these new extensions?

 

[slader23]

You don't understand? It's from your own post:

"As I see it, car.shop value and usability will be in few year far ahead to any carshop.TLD, where TLD = .com, .net, .xyz, .whetever"

You compared car.shop to carshop.com .net etc

Words in the same order. You said in a few years, the car.shop type domains will have more value/usability. If that were true, you could at least come up with some examples now. You haven't.



Exactly.

All 5 figure sales:
X.Company-->sold XCompany.com--->parked
education.global---> Sold Educationglobal.com---->Parked
Casino.Global---->Sold CasinoGlobal.com---->Parked
Commercial.Property---->Sold CommercialProperty.com---->Parked
baltic.cruises----->Sold Balticcruises.com------>Parked


All end user sales. All the buyers had the choice to own the .com. This is consumer choice at work.

 

[JB Lions]

I think he just wants you to show any sales where word1.word2 sold for more than word1word2.com.

All 5 figure sales:
X.Company-->sold XCompany.com--->parked
education.global---> Sold Educationglobal.com---->Parked
Casino.Global---->Sold CasinoGlobal.com---->Parked
Commercial.Property---->Sold CommercialProperty.com---->Parked
baltic.cruises----->Sold Balticcruises.com------>Parked


All end user sales. All the buyers had the choice to own the .com. This is consumer choice at work.

You can't read either? So where are the numbers? How much did the .com sell for?