warning Does Rami Steitieh A/K/A steitieh Shill? You Decide.

[N-A]

In March of 2016 @steitieh was found guilty of shill bidding on NamePros with @tha-she. While these two members are no longer permitted to conduct business with each other here, @steitieh is still able to participate in the marketplace and carries an undeserving PRO badge.

Recently, Rami was accused of shill bidding again. However, the evidence is circumstantial, at best, but it's admitted by him that he had close personal acquaintances bid on his auctions – something that we all know that most other marketplaces would never tolerate.

Beware: if you choose to bid on one of @steitieh 's auctions, know that someone else may be purposefully bidding you up.

 

[ZapNano]

NamePro doesn't need to hire detectives. We have plenties here. NamePro save your money.

 

[ksusha64]

The new members are usually Rami's victims unless they know him for 13 years. We found by pure chance yesterday @DNBank.com and @steitieh used same hosting server since 2011. They admitted being friends since 2003 and promised to let people take all their bids back.
@tha-she admitted on bidding on 100 of @steitieh auctions, winning at least 5 and not paying for any of them. They created fake reviews to cover it up. Their excuse was @tha-she was confused at the time. @tha-she was bidding on his 10 auctions at the same time with INSANE $400 to $600 bids, similar to what @DNBank.com did. So Their story is he forgave her and allowed her not to pay, but she continued to bid on his 10 auctions at the same time. This is 100% proof of shill bidding. Please someone explain to me how this is not 100% proof?

 

[ZapNano]

I am. And to whoever said photoshop... photoshop that in 1 minute and get back to me. Hell, I'll even invite you to a livestream of my paypal if you're going to try to tarnish my name here. Or am I streaming a video edit at that point? Geez, folks. I'm sorry i even said anything in this thread.

Edit: It was brought to my attention there's even more than meets the eye with this situation. So I understand the accusations here, by lighten up, you guys are making accusations towards the innocent.

I don't think you are part.

 

[N-A]

This is 100% proof of shill bidding. Please someone explain to me how this is not 100% proof?

It'll probably be found to not be 100% proof. Things appear different to different people; much like my interpretation of the below sentence, and Eric's intended meaning with an explanation. However, this thread is out there... and it's going strong... with pretty damning proof in my opinion.

People will now be able to decide on their own, and intervention of staff going forward (if there will be any) may not likely be necessary.

Since you two were unable to provide adequate evidence that shill bidding did not take place between the two of you, the rules below have been placed on your accounts and MUST be adhered to for all transactions you partake in on NamePros with anyone. There will be no exceptions to these rules.

 

[trap3]

Is it actually possible that Rami just has a lot of followers and those guys bid on a lot of his auctions ?
That would explain some crazy bidding wars between rivals and why you see the same people bidding over and over !

Additionally maybe they think/know Rami is an easy touch, so when they cant afford or want to pay for their indulgence they simply pull out of the deal.

I know perhaps improbable, but isnt it possible ?

 

[tha-she]

The matter many seem to overlook is that everything all Pm`s and transactions, between

The new members are usually Rami's victims unless they know him for 13 years. We found by pure chance yesterday @DNBank.com and @steitieh used same hosting server since 2011. They admitted being friends since 2003 and promised to let people take all their bids back.
@tha-she admitted on bidding on 100 of @steitieh auctions, winning at least 5 and not paying for any of them. They created fake reviews to cover it up. Their excuse was @tha-she was confused at the time. @tha-she was bidding on his 10 auctions at the same time with INSANE $400 to $600 bids, similar to what @DNBank.com did. So Their story is he forgave her and allowed her not to pay, but she continued to bid on his 10 auctions at the same time. This is 100% proof of shill bidding. Please someone explain to me how this is not 100% proof?

Thats a twist of words like i have rarley seen it, and also includes false statements.

I never said i bid on 100 auctions, false statement, and that number is way to high, thou i didnt count.
winning "atleast five" and not paying for any of them, is also a false statement as you are saying i didnt pay for any of the domains, there are MANY domains i won and paid for in full.

Its also time for you to drop the DnBank thing, thats insanity, they have both provided more then enough proof that DnBank simply bid on many of the auctions and thats it, everything he won he instantly paid for, (proof was provided i would highly assume so) and DNBank also ended many auction with BIN, also paying right away... now PLEASE TELL ME @ksusha64 who in their right mind, would shill and end the auction via bin with their second account? Totally retarded conclusion.

 

[N-A]

I know perhaps improbable, but is it possible ?

Possible for some. But when you have 1 bidder that gets out of paying for 5 auctions, and increases the bid where another person may be liable to pay a larger amount because of that, things go from possible to improbable.

 

[ksusha64]

@tha-she are you saying now you did not bid at least on 100 auctions by @steitieh ?

 

[N-A]

@tha-she are you saying now you did not bid at least on 100 auctions by @steitieh ?

I would have to go back and count, but, I don't believe it to be 100 auctions... rather 100 bids placed across a definite 10+ auctions, with 5 being unpaid for.

 

[ksusha64]

We need couple stats.
1. How many auctions?
2. How many bids?
3. TOTAL $ of those bids?
4. How much $ was actually paid for?
5. How many fake reviews etc>
If conclusion @The-she bid in xx,xxx figures and and bought for xx, We know people got cheated for 5 figures! This is only shill bidder. There are many more that we will present.

 

[ksusha64]

This is the work admins should of done. I am sure they have those numbers for us. @Eric Lyon Can you present us this info?

 

[ZapNano]

NamePro's detectives is on...

 

[pchip]

Providing proof of payment doesn't really necessarily mean anything. You could be shuffling the same money around between multiple individuals. There are no auction fees so the cost would be nil to minimal, depending on the transaction. Think about it.

 

[tha-she]

@tha-she are you saying now you did not bid at least on 100 auctions by @steitieh ?

I didnt count, but you are putting 100 out there as if its a number for a fact, its possible, but i myself Highly doubt it was 100....or even close...

Either way, however you want to twist this, i have given my explenation and some may not want to go with it, this is their choice, the only thing that sickens me is that Ramis reputation will be hurt because i didnt follow the exact guidelines at some point.
$xx,xxx in bids, are you out of your mind?...

I would suggest, you back out now... and get your facts together, once you have them, come back, without stating stuff that is simply untrue, you are hurting business images here.

 

[ZapNano]

Another detective.....
All you NamePro's detectives will get special badge; and it's called "DetectivePro" you can pick the color you want.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

If my friend(s) and i were shill bidding, maybe once in a while one of us would pull the trigger on the BIN to make it look real. And sure money would change, but it cant be sent back via a different method.
Pay via paypal, and refund via skrill. No one knows about the skrill, but there are proofs money was paid via paypal, as an example. Scammers arent stupid. This is far more complex than we imagine, far to many trails to follow.

 

[Eric Lyon]

However, we cannot confirm whether money changed hands, or if the domain is just being held.

We confirmed this on a few transactions that have been reported to us. It was confirmed without a doubt through video evidence that multiple deals between them did complete: money was sent, domains were received, Etc.

We found by pure chance yesterday @DNBank.com and @steitieh used same hosting server since 2011.

It was not pure chance. NamePros moderators noticed it months ago and we asked @steitieh about it.
You can read the full report here which we made public recently:

• https://www.namepros.com/posts/5787629/

 

[ksusha64]

@Eric Lyon are you saying you knew 1 month ago that dnbank.com and @steitieh are best friends since 2003, using same scripts, same server etc and you were perfectly ok with it?

We confirmed this on a few transactions that have been reported to us. It was confirmed without a doubt through video evidence that multiple deals between them did complete: money was sent, domains were received, Etc.


It was not pure chance. NamePros moderators noticed it months ago and we asked @steitieh about it.
You can read the full report here which we made public recently:

• https://www.namepros.com/posts/5787629/

 

[CursedToast]

Providing proof of payment doesn't really necessarily mean anything. You could be shuffling the same money around between multiple individuals. There are no auction fees so the cost would be nil to minimal, depending on the transaction. Think about it.

Whois the domains I bought? I don't know what to really say at this point, other than I've legit bought domains from Rami and sold a couple (at a loss) to others here.

 

[Eric Lyon]

@Eric Lyon are you saying you knew 1 month ago that dnbank.com and @steitieh are best friends since 2003, using same scripts, same server etc and you were perfectly ok with it?

Everything has already been discussed in this thread:

• https://www.namepros.com/threads/2-...ry-same-and-bid-up-their-own-auctions.978339/

Please read it at your convenience. All of your questions have already been answered.

Thanks,

 

[pchip]

Whois the domains I bought? I don't know what to really say at this point, other than I've legit bought domains from Rami and sold a couple (at a loss) to others here.

Poor choice of words on my part, but then again, I didn't quote anyone in my post. I wasn't implying "You". I was just stating something that could be done.

 

[Mahogany]

Ive bid on a lot of @steitieh auctions and spent hundreds with him. I stand with my brother!

I too love a good conspiracy story but Rami is solid in my book.

 

[Chris Hydrick]

Edit: It was brought to my attention there's even more than meets the eye with this situation. So I understand the accusations here, by lighten up, you guys are making accusations towards the innocent.

Welcome to NamePros Mr. Cursed Toast... Love the name btw!

From my perspective, it's unclear, and unfair to accuse you as a shill bidder simply for participating in Rami's auctions. It seems as this thread is attempting to extract as much info as possible to create data points in hopes of uncovering the truth. Please don't take things personal. I commend you for participating in this discussion.

I've been suspicious of Rami's auctions myself, simply because of the amount of bidders / prices his auctions fetch. I assumed his PRO status had something to do with it. ie As a new member, I fell victim to FanBoy purchases, in that if I saw a respected members auction about to end at a low price, I'd bid, in assuming that it's a good domain simply because it's owned by a pro and others bidding. Victim is of course a strong word; as a general rule of domain appraisals, the domain is worth whatever somebody will pay. The issue being, when a new member see's others bidding, it can validate their thought that it's a good domain, and in turn cause them to pay more than it's worth. Imagine if shill bidders drove up the price, and though it's not a large amount, it's still profit for the seller, and unless you find a buyer, you're stuck holding the high priced hot potato. Domains that cost more than reg fee are harder to drop (ie not pay renewal) given the high purchase price. This can be a problem for new domainers, as knowing when to drop a domain is key in terms of margins and opportunity costs.

Not sure how much sense my jumbled rambling is making; just wanted to point out that domain purchases should be about the domain, and not necessarily the salesmanship, or social status of the seller. Best of luck in your domaining career @ Mr CursedToast

EDIT ADDED: The above thoughts do not reflect on Rami or his dealings. Just a bystander sharing some thoughts. Thanks to the community for having this conversation, and best of luck to all in finding factual resolutions.

 

[steitieh]

Alright - My Final contribution to this thread:


I understand sometimes people see things that looks weird to them and base many judgements accordingly. Yes, I have allowed many people who won my auctions not pay – but not only auctions, many people came to me with offers and backed out and it was cool with me. And like the “Yellow Tagged Dancer” asks, did I get other un-payers and never reported them: YES – and I am in no way obligated to explain myself to you.


After all, you’ve ( @ ksusha64 ) been reported to me many times that you go after MY SALES and contact MY BUYERS trying to sell them – this to me show that you’re leeching and by that you have no authenticity nor credibility to judge my domains – you barely jumped into domaining when the Chinese Rush started and then you thought domaining is about buying today and selling tomorrow for an XXXX return – You lack knowledge big time, thus, everything you write is just laughable and only time will show that.

David – you obviously have something personal despite claiming otherwise – when you go to a court, and the judgement is out that the alleged guilty is officially innocent, do you keep on going around saying: NO NO NO , Guilty? I offered you in a private chat to let this go as you’re clearly digging your own grave with this post.


In this forum, I’ve always helped people and when @CursedToast called me his mentor – it’s NOT the case in which I charged him to teach him – he just happened to join NamePros – asked me questions and I answered every single question he asked and helped evaluate his domains without a return – a mentor usually get paid – I haven’t


So, I am done defending myself here – and I am doing it for the good people around. Now, it’s time for the dancers in this thread to take a rest and understand the actual facts mentioned by NamePros.


David, I understand you did all this because your posts kept getting deleted in the previous thread – but everything gets an end – and this post of yours if clearly as stated by name pros is untrue – so it’s time to let it go and try to listen to the fact given to you by the management of the platform you’re being part of. Heck, you started accusing everybody of shill bidding – why wouldn’t I do the same to you? Maybe you SHILLBID (exactly what you’ve got, it’s a MAYBE) – Plus, Cecill (Tha-She) came out and said clearly that she asked for that (Backing out of the auction due to personal issues and lack of funds as my auctions are usually long) and YES I agreed. And If anybody else did the same, I would have agreed too – that’s just me and it’s not anybody’s business to judge.



Shill bidding is a deep topic – doesn’t matter what I say or NamePros says – some people will believe and some will not – that’s fine.

I will summarize ONE MORE LAST TIME the three incidents:


1- DnBank – 100% legit SOLID buyer who pays faster than anybody else I’ve got MANY friends in NamePros and I thank God for that rather than enemies and jealous bugs.

2- Tha-She – yes, she bid on many of my auctions – won some – paid for some – asked politely to retract from some and I said OK – JUST LIKE I will give the opportunity to people who bid on my current auctions where DnBank was involved to retract although by the rules of NamePros all bids are FINAL and binding and since DnBank has been 100% Proven innocent, all bids SHOULD be binding and paid, YET, I Chose to give them the chance to retract.

3- Saeed – I purely helped this guy when nobody else agreed to help him – He needed to accept payment but he couldn’t get a PayPal account – No shills no crap – anything he won was deducted from his balance with me – PLUS, he was my customer WAY before asking me to help him – and most of you guys miss this fact as well – but you got to do what you go to do.



Finally – Facts are facts and truth always prevail

 

[Name Trader]

Ok so I closely looked at one, being an outsider and it was for pictured.net from your link provided.

What I see is a no reserve auction and winning bidder DNBank.com $800.00. But when I look at Whois it's still under "Registrant Name: Rami Steitieh".

This would be a red flag to me too running a auction site myself.

Those whom are disagreeing with David, follow this:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/pictured-net.976465/

http://whois.domaintools.com/pictured.net

@Eric Lyon - Was this one of the transactions you investigated? If not. I think you should. Because it doesn't seem right. Knowing they are friends. I would say I have an open mind on this issue, and would go wherever the proof takes us. And I know you do a thorough job with your investigations.

I agree with your conclusions in the @tha-she case, that you never stated there was any shill bidding going on. I think you stated it could not be disproved. But taking all their other transactions into consideration, which you were satisfied with. I'd say the preponderance of evidence would lead you to the conclusion you came to.

I take a jaundiced view of friends bidding on other friends auctions. Generally. If they were friends, they could have worked out a mutually agreeable price before the domain even went to auction. It is especially suspicious when a domain doesn't change hands after the auction. IMHO. But I hold an open mind.