new gtlds Why "the new gTLDs haters" lose hours and hours in new gTLD discussions???

[Wass]

Why "the new gTLDs haters" lose hours and hours in new gTLD discussions???

If there is a bad news for new gTLDs, "the new gTLDs haters" tell us that the news is true...
If there is a good news for new gTLDs, "the new gTLDs haters" tell us that the news is false...

And these haters work like as a team...
And I have the feeling that the new gTLD discussions are very very very important for them. Why???

Why they lose so much time if they are not investors????

If you are a new gTLD hater, this question is for you:
Why you lose hours and hours in new gTLDs discussions???
And why this topic is very important for you???
Of course, you know why but you can not tell us the truth...

 

[Rainmaker-NL]

I dont think anyone is being tagged stupid. I personally heard this same advice some months back but I continued in my buying spree but to be honest with you I am beginning to look stupid now that I have to cough out $35 to $40 for renewals. The bad side of my own investment was that I have bought hundreds of them before $1 ''market flooding''.

Those who are relatively new to domain business are the major investors in the nGTLDs. They are good at publicizing their domain sales but till date very few sales have been reported.

I bought into this trash called nGTLDs and got my hands burned. For someone like me, the advisers are making sense. The fact that 1% domainers have succeeded in recouping their investment doesn't make them ideal investment to encourage others to flock into.

Does it mean I am quitting the business? No. I now realize that I could have spent $2000 on a .com and spend possibly $300 on the others. By now, my renewal would be minimal that's if I haven't sold the .com and made good ROI. I Will surely keep at least 10 of them that has good average monthly searches for development..

As I mentioned in my previous comment, it's possible I didnt choose the right marketplace to sell but it's like they didn't worth their renewal tags

Or $2.5 renewal at West.xyz.......

 

[Domain Galleria]

Or $2.5 renewal at West.xyz.......

Thanks. Let me try that out

 

[168]

PS: because on other forums new extensions are hardly being discussed. .

The "other" forums that are not "newbies"
I could list several more, but the point is, more BS

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[dordomai]

.xin -16000 today. Chinese drops have officially begun. More to come. and the band kept playing.

 

[Domain Galleria]

So much problems with west.xyz. I transferred some domains but at completion what I was taken to a chinese page. I couldn't tell whether transfer successful or not. Nothing shows in my incoming transfer status.

Edit: I submitted a ticket for clarification. They replied that I just topped up my account and I have to re-initiate the transfers.
Hands on deck

 

[Wass]

Still I have noticed that few members here (maybe 5 people) are literally hijacking all threads related to new gTLDs and bash them with tens/hundreds of negative comments.

Maybe we also have the same people with multiple accounts. It's possible: I personally have this doubt.

 

[dordomai]

Maybe we also have the same people with multiple accounts. It's possible: I personally have this doubt.

personally I believe we have more delusions than people. One way to explain this is that some people have several delusions.

 

[Wass]

personally I believe we have more delusions than people. One way to explain this is that some people have several delusions.

You have your point of view.
And I have my point of view.
what is the problem? good luck to you my friend

 

[Bram C.]

Maybe we also have the same people with multiple accounts. It's possible: I personally have this doubt.

Sure, whenever someone disagrees with you it is actually always the same person who is posting from multiple accounts. After all it would be truly unimaginable that more than one person would disagree with your grand vision of an utopian gTLD future.

*Hopes that @Wass understands sarcasm*

 

[Wass]

Sure, whenever someone disagrees with you it is actually always the same person who is posting from multiple accounts. After all it would be truly unimaginable that more than one person would disagree with your grand vision of an utopian gTLD future.

*Hopes that @Wass understands sarcasm*

You have your point of view.
And I have my point of view.
what is the problem? good luck to you my friend

I add one thing: my doubt is not about you

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I'm not a hater or lover...
It is just simple analytics... Look at Alexa 100K/1M + at weekly Sales = in both cases nTLDs-share is 1.xx%...
That's why tons of those nLTD-threads are really annoying...

 

[dordomai]

I'm not a hater or lover...
It is just simple analytics... Look at Alexa 100K/1M + at weekly Sales = in both cases nTLDs-share is 1.xx%...
That's why tons of those nLTD-threads are really annoying...

the problem is that some will say 1.xx% means they are great and spreading fast and others think 1.xx% means .fail.

even if we have a simple number we can't agree.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I don't think that 1.xx% for ~2 years is "fast"...

 

[dordomai]

I don't think that 1.xx% for ~2 years is "fast"...

I don't think it is impressive either. One of the reason why I am still skeptical of ngTLDs.

 

[wwwweb]

I guess GTLD's must be in high demand as Donuts is increasing pricing on new registrations, and renewals for select extensions in October.

Great news for you guys, the demand must be thru the roof, or they know domainers are a desperate breed, and they can take a bit more blood from them.

 

[dordomai]

I guess GTLD's must be in high demand as Donuts is increasing pricing on new registrations, and renewals for select extensions in October.

Great news for you guys, the demand must be thru the roof, or they know domainers are a desperate breed, and they can take a bit more blood from them.

how much do they increase?

 

[Domain Galleria]

If you ever traded forex you would agree with this - never hold on to a losing trade. Wise investors know when to cut their losses and move on.

 

[wwwweb]

how much do they increase?

Donuts increases their price, then your registry will need to update their price to meet their margin, so you need to talk to your provider specifically.

You can renew for up to 10 years out before October if you want to lock in your lower price. This will be a great windfall for donuts, all this upfront cash, not good for the domainer who will be put into a bad cashflow position of fronting so much cash on a unknown.

This is only the start, if you factor in all the non renewals, and drops coming off the gtld's from hyped up early investors who are not renewing, they are trying to make up for this lost revenue.

This is what companies do when they have revenue shortfalls. They up their prices.

 

[wwwweb]

One example I can give you is .camera currently has a $34.99 retail, and it will be increase to $42.75 retail for registration, renewal, and transfer Each register has their own specific discount levels, and such, but they all have to absorb price increases, so it will be passed onto the consumer.

 

[dordomai]

Donuts increases their price, then your registry will need to update their price to meet their margin, so you need to talk to your provider specifically.

You can renew for upto 10 years out before October if you want to lock in your lower price. This will be a great windfall for donuts, all this upfront cash, not good for the domainer who will be put into a bad cashflow position of fronting so much cash on a unknown.

I don't have any exactly because I wanted to avoid what is happening now. Just curious how greedy they got.

OK. I see. At least $40 bucks and all good words probably reserved. I don't see how one can make any money with prices like this.

 

[wwwweb]

I don't have any exactly because I wanted to avoid what is happening now. Just curious how greedy they got.

Just like Marchex it was a great company, problem was they had to many executives to pay, ate up all the profits. They really only needed a few people to run the domain sales division.

You hire staff, you go to conferences, you pay out bonuses, people don't renew their domains, then you need to look for new revenue to maintain that level of workplace expense.

Domainers are the best target, only thing is most of these guys holding are still years out from seeing any kind of return, and are already bleeding high premium registration, and renewal fees.

The EAP money has been accounted for, the extensions are not being released as fast as they were in 2014, the accounts are not as flush.

 

[wwwweb]

I don't have any exactly because I wanted to avoid what is happening now. Just curious how greedy they got.

OK. I see. At least $40 bucks and all good words probably reserved. I don't see how one can make any money with prices like this.

Good premium keywords cost $xxx-xx,xxx now, in 2014 they were $xx-$xxx, in 2015 they started moving into $xxx-xxxx.

Just standard stuff you are looking at $40 renewals. The domainer equation makes it very hard to account for 5X premium over .com.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If .web will be launched soon - why you transfer .xyz???
Really, I don't understand what you expect from .xyz next year... the best time to flip them is already over.

 

[wwwweb]

If .web will be launched soon - why you transfer .xyz???
Really, I don't understand what you expect from .xyz next year... the best time to flip them is already over.

I agree the best time to sell .xyz was a few months back, there was alot of attention with the whole google abc thing.

The 1 cent promo really killed things.

 

[Brands.International]

Good premium keywords cost $xxx-xx,xxx now, in 2014 they were $xx-$xxx, in 2015 they started moving into $xxx-xxxx.

Just standard stuff you are looking at $40 renewals. The domainer equation makes it very hard to account for 5X premium over .com.

I have pointed it out several times on this forum that some registries somehow lately "woke up" and started to protect their premium combos much more intensively now.

But what would you expect : for example, auction price for .WEB was more then 130 mil USD..so should we realistically expect that premium keywords in .WEB would be for 40 USD each? Each new gTLD in my opinion has only limited numbers of premium combos which makes sense and are great from business point of view (how much? lets say 100 for those more specific, maybe 1000 for those more general like .online or .vip?) and if you do not protect them with higher pricing, they would be gone in first minutes of GA. In that case you could basically buy with 100*40 USD = 4000 USD huge part of overall value of .WEB which costed > 130 mil. So nobody in their right might would expect that there will be just standard pricing everywhere. Registries are not charities they are business organisations, they do it for profit.

What is key here is to identify combos which are of great value, and to buy them for standard renewals.
I did lot of analysis and I can tell you there are lot of gaps. Registries also only consists of people, and the list of keywords they protect depends on how clever those people are. Usually there are clever, but there are still gaps. So yes, registries which paid millions in dollars will hold most of premium combos by themselves, but if domainers invest time and effort, they can find and buy some gems too even now, it is not that difficult.