analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

Thread rules: everyone is invited to participate as long as things are kept on topic and are on the constructive, professional, and respectful side (personal attacks and demeaning of others will not be tolerated). Do not overwhelm this thread with memes and if you provide a link to an article you must give a brief explanation as to what it is about so that people know ahead of time what they are clicking on.

 

[bmugford]

The Moscow Times @MoscowTimes March 21, 2022

⚡ A Moscow court has banned Facebook and Instagram as "extremist" organizations themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/21/rus…

View original Load full embed

 

[Kingslayer]

and Russia has new, hypersonic missile that can carry nukes.

Hypersonic missiles is a hardly a gigantic leap in warfare. It's not like the development of the radar, a missile is a missile, it doesn't matter what speed they are coming in.

 

[mr-x]

Joe Biden actually had the balls to finally end the 20 year bullshit occupation in Afghanistan. What were we even still doing there? He can't take all the credit though, he actually just carried out Trump's withdrawal plan.

Former Trump officials praise Biden for carrying out 'Trump-Biden withdrawal' from Afghanistan:​

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...ying-trump-biden-withdrawal/story?id=79794652

LOL. You're posting propaganda from a democrat media outlet. Yes, Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan, he didn't want to leave in disgrace.

Biden partnered with Putin? Yeah...ok dude. You are losing it.

Brad

You didn't know Russia ( Putin ) is representing the USA in nuclear treaty negotiations between the USA and Iran?

You didn't know Biden agreed to wave sanctions on Russia so they could build a nuclear reactor in Iran in exchange for representing us?

 

[.X.]

Well, in fairness technology has advanced quite a bit since the late 60s/early 70s.

The Vietnam War is actually a good comparison to Ukraine.

We occupied a foreign country that did not want us there. They were never going to stop fighting.
It was also unclear what we were fighting for, or what "victory" was defined as.

It was the type of insurgency you are going to see in Ukraine even if Russia takes over large cities. They will never be able to hold them.

Did we win in Iraq and Afghanistan? Militarily both countries were taken over without that much issue, but we stuck around for years trying to occupy the country and force democracy.

So when it came to the military itself we won easily, when it came to nation building we did not.

Brad

George H and George W Bush thought they could go liberate a country of Iraq , establish a democracy in a country that’s religion doesn’t allow for such , that in itself was defeat before it even started IMO , The people of Iraq never wanted the US there , so the only way to win the Iraq would have been to convert a country of Islam into a country of ?? Which would be a vendetta against the Iraq peoples religion. We stuck our ass in a country that we had no business being in IMO

Afghanistan was supposed to be a fight on terrorist , the 911 , aside from killing Osama Binladen , we failed miserably , not only did we fail miserably , but we left Al - Queda our weaponry freely .. these groups of fighters such as Al - Queda , these militia groups have been in the Middle East for centuries , it is their nature and religion to do the things they do and behave how they behave.

Vietnam, my dad did two tours in Vietnam, I didn’t meet my dad until I was 16 years old , he came back bat shit crazy from the Vietnam war, a war he never understood why we were fighting, that all the way to his death bed, we went to train one side of the country to fight the other side of the country , The country of Vietnam and the Vietnamese had and have a culture of their own just like the middle eastern people do .. these cultures and religions of countries around the world are to each and their own , these countries have history dating back hundreds of years of fighting with one another , when they decide to fight , they have always done it on their own terms .

When countries have imposed their will on countries due to their beliefs , laws , culture , they are trying to disband the very country they invade, much of the time , the citizens of the country do not want the change of doctrines in their country , so what is the point of invading such countries , tearing up their infrastructure and ruining their lives ????

 

[mr-x]

Joe Biden actually had the balls to finally end the 20 year bullshit occupation in Afghanistan. What were we even still doing there? He can't take all the credit though, he actually just carried out Trump's withdrawal plan.

Former Trump officials praise Biden for carrying out 'Trump-Biden withdrawal' from Afghanistan:​

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...ying-trump-biden-withdrawal/story?id=79794652

this is an opinion piece written by John Karl, the guy who speculated on live TV a Muslim terrorist who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino California might be a "tea party" member.

 

[.X.]

Hypersonic missiles is a hardly a gigantic leap in warfare. It's not like the development of the radar, a missile is a missile, it doesn't matter what speed they are coming in.

It’s the payload capability along with the speed , if the missile is so fast it can hardly be shot down , it’s going to deliver its payload on the target almost guaranteed, Putin has upped the payload on the missile warheads now , it’s deadly combat.

 

[bmugford]

George H and George W Bush thought they could go liberate a country of Iraq , establish a democracy in a country that’s religion doesn’t allow for such , that in itself was defeat before it even started IMO , The people of Iraq never wanted the US there , so the only way to win the Iraq would have been to convert a country of Islam into a country of ?? Which would be a vendetta against the Iraq peoples religion. We stuck our ass in a country that we had no business being in IMO

Afghanistan was supposed to be a fight on terrorist , the 911 , aside from killing Osama Binladen , we failed miserably , not only did we fail miserably , but we left Al - Queda our weaponry freely .. these groups of fighters such as Al - Queda , these militia groups have been in the Middle East for centuries , it is their nature and religion to do the things they do and behave how they behave.

Vietnam, my dad did two tours in Vietnam, I didn’t meet my dad until I was 16 years old , he came back bat shit crazy from the Vietnam war, a war he never understood why we were fighting, that all the way to his death bed, we went to train one side of the country to fight the other side of the country , The country of Vietnam and the Vietnamese had and have a culture of their own just like the middle eastern people do .. these cultures and religions of countries around the world are to each and their own , these countries have history dating back hundreds of years of fighting with one another , when they decide to fight , they have always done it on their own terms .

When countries have imposed their will on countries due to their beliefs , laws , culture , they are trying to disband the very country they invade, much of the time , the citizens of the country do not want the change of doctrines in their country , so what is the point of invading such countries , tearing up their infrastructure and ruining their lives ????

I am not a big fan of nation building. Some places are just not ready for democracy. Going in trying to force democracy is likely never going to work out well.

Foreign countries rarely see occupiers as liberators. You know after a couple decades it is time to leave.

The issue though with these are with the nation building aspect, not the military aspect.

These come down to there being no clear goal. What "victory" means is not defined, and therefore there is no clear exit plan.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

this is an opinion piece written by John Karl, the guy who speculated on live TV a Muslim terrorist who killed his co-workers in San Bernardino California might be a "tea party" member.

Feel free to choose any other author that you prefer. The bottom line is Biden essentially carried out Trump's exit plan. If it was a bad plan, blame your boy. Trump actually tried to carry it out on an even more expedited basis.

Brad

 

[Kingslayer]

It’s the payload capability along with the speed , if the missile is so fast it can hardly be shot down , it’s going to deliver its payload on the target almost guaranteed, Putin has upped the payload on the missile warheads now , it’s deadly combat.

A missile coming in at mach 5 is hardly gaming changing tech to a country who have missiles coming in at mach 4.

Even if it was game changing tech, NATO countries who invest huge amounts in tech will know how to do it. It just has to pass loads of tests for it to come into operation, if it was gaming changing tech (which it isn't) and would be in best interests of national security to deploy, it would be rushed out.

I'd concider a bigger advantage NATO being multiple nations and able to strike Russia from various angles simultaneously.

 

[.X.]

The geniuses running the USA military were chased out of AF by warriors in sandals driving mini-trucks. We left billions, including high tech weapons for the Taliban and the Chinese.

We deserted our allies.



We might be able to destroy most of Russia's infrastructure from the air quickly but Russia is not back-water third world military. It would be months of bloody warfare. Russia has modern anti-aircraft and missile defense systems.

Russia would attack the USA , including Washington DC, using nuclear submarines. They would attack our supply lines.

Russian military are are well trained and equipped in comparison to the enemies we have fought in the middle east.

You can't hold land without ground troops. Iran helped Iraqis use low-tech improvised weapons to hamstring the USA in Iraq for two decades.

Ignoring the evidence Joe Biden has partnered with Vladimir Putin, how is a man who can't stay awake past 8pm going to lead a nation at war.

Yep wearing sandals and pickup trucks , the shit is embarrassing as fuck , then on top of it all , Al- Queda headquarters was in Pakistan the whole time …

In 30 years of war , what was accomplished ??? Al-Queda got gifted billions of dollars in US modern weaponry..

30 years , trillions of dollars , US military lives , Iraq and Afghanistan civilian life lost , For ?? Not to forget the US soldiers that made it home without limbs and ect , severe PTSD

 

[mr-x]

Feel free to choose any other author that you prefer. The bottom line is Biden essentially carried out Trump's exit plan. If it was a bad plan, blame your boy. Trump actually tried to carry it out on an even more expedited basis.

Brad

It this you denying recent history and keep insisting the USA military wasn't surprised, didn't leave hundreds of Americans and allies behind when they fled ?

Why do you think insulting, blaming Trump makes Joe Biden's mistakes OK?

 

[mr-x]

Yep wearing sandals and pickup trucks , the shit is embarrassing as fuck , then on top of it all , Al- Queda headquarters was in Pakistan the whole time …

In 30 years of war , what was accomplished ??? Al-Queda got gifted billions of dollars in US modern weaponry..

30 years , trillions of dollars , US military lives , Iraq and Afghanistan civilian life lost , For ?? Not to forget the US soldiers that made it home without limbs and ect , severe PTSD

Arm chair generals need to face facts so they don't keep repeating their mistakes.

 

[bmugford]

It this you denying recent history and keep insisting the USA military wasn't surprised, didn't leave hundreds of Americans and allies behind when they fled ?

The military certainly was surprised by the complete lack of fight in the Afghan military after 20 years of support and training. That lack of fight just proves that leaving was the right decision. They did not want us there.

Anyway, I am going to try to keep this thread on topic. It is starting to derail off track.

Brad

 

[mr-x]

Trump actually tried to carry it out on an even more expedited basis.

But Trump wasn't in charge. Trump's military commanders were not in charge.

 

[mr-x]

The military certainly was surprised by the complete lack of fight in the Afghan military after 20 years of support and training. That lack of fight just proves that leaving was the right decision. They did not want us there.

Brad

So Trump was right, again.

 

[bmugford]

So Trump was right, again.

Too bad Trump didn't have the balls to actually end the war then. Biden did.
Respect for that.

I am going to try to keep this about Russia-Ukraine as much as possible, leave the Biden butthurt for the political thread.

Thank God we have Biden in power now, someone who is actually able to help build a worldwide coalition against this action by Russia. It is nice to rebuild a little of the respect on the world stage that the US lost in recent years.

Brad

 

[oldtimer]

Left, right, center...it's still propaganda all the same.

It’s more than just propaganda, it’s also lies, deceit, bondage, and betrayals

No one likes to hear the truth, and when criticized every one will go on the attack, because all the major systems in the World operate the same way and they all resort to torture, violence, and killing when they see their interests and power are at risk.

There are two main forces that have control and influence over the masses,

First is the Governments which in most cases are comprised of self serving politicians who betray the people by selling them out for the wealth that they seem to be able to be accumulating at the expense of all those whom they were supposed to serve and protect.

And second is the religion which in most cases has nothing to do with God (higher power) but rather is used to keep the masses locked in the past with the desires for violence and reaching Armageddon so to prevent the them from hearing the message of Peace that the Lord wants us to hear today.

All these people are concerned about is creating a life of comfort and luxury for themselves while closing their eyes on all the pain and suffering of others.

Just like many Governments around the World these charlatans and crooks who are using religion to hold people captivate under their own control and influence are willing to resort to extreme violence and cruelty to protect the status quo and to prevent the Humanity from advancing to a higher level of thinking and existence.

We have to accept the fact that the World and all its components are currently in an animalistic and evil Era. Hence the need for closing this chapter in the history of the evolution of the World and staring a new Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that are derived through Logic and Compassion.

It’s very simple, those who are working towards achieving this goal are a Force For Good and those who want to keep the status quo and have the World locked in the past are Humanity’s worst enemy.

IMO

 

[.X.]

A missile coming in at mach 5 is hardly gaming changing tech to a country who have missiles coming in at mach 4.

Even if it was game changing tech, NATO countries who invest huge amounts in tech will know how to do it. It just has to pass loads of tests for it to come into operation, if it was gaming changing tech (which it isn't) and would be in best interests of national security to deploy, it would be rushed out.

I'd concider a bigger advantage NATO being multiple nations and able to strike Russia from various angles simultaneously.

With NATO , you just escalated the conflict into WWlll and most likely Nuclear strikes , Zelensky needs to give it up , I understand fighting not to give up your country, I get it 100% , but , Ukraine can not win this conflict , if it ended today , it would start back again , Russia has military power to end it right this minute , Russia could use Bio-Chemical weapons if they want , very large payload missiles , the Russians have far superior fire power , and a lot of it , this could easily lead to WWlll at this point , that effects the whole world , Zelensky would be wise to take refuge in Israel or Germany perhaps , the people in Ukraine who wish to go Russia , Go to Russia , the ones that do not desire to go to Russia , go to Germany , Poland and ect … That is what Zelensky needs to make happen IMO

 

[bmugford]

With NATO , you just escalated the conflict into WWlll and most likely Nuclear strikes , Zelensky needs to give it up , I understand fighting not to give up your country, I get it 100% , but , Ukraine can not win this conflict , if it ended today , it would start back again , Russia has military power to end it right this minute , Russia could use Bio-Chemical weapons if they want , very large payload missiles , the Russians have far superior fire power , and a lot of it , this could easily lead to WWlll at this point , that effects the whole world , Zelensky would be wise to take refuge in Israel or Germany perhaps , the people in Ukraine who wish to go Russia , Go to Russia , the ones that do not desire to go to Russia , go to Germany , Poland and ect … That is what Zelensky needs to make happen IMO

You don't appease tyrants. It didn't work with Hitler.
It won't work with Putin. He very likely has larger plans than just Ukraine.

What are you going to do when he goes into Poland...eh just let him have that country also.

Russia would get absoutely rolled over by NATO if it came down to it. He knows that, that is why he is making belligerent threats.

Nuclear weapons are supposed to be used as a deterrent from actions like Russia has taken, instead they are trying to use them as a deterrent to stop others from getting involved.

So the question is at what point do you stop giving things to an evil tyrant because he is demanding them and threatening nuclear war. Where is the redline?

Brad

 

[Cannuck]

Zelensky needs to give it up , I understand fighting not to give up your country, I get it 100% , but , Ukraine can not win this conflict , if it ended today , it would start back again , Russia has military power to end it right this minute , Russia could use Bio-Chemical weapons if they want , very large payload missiles , the Russians have far superior fire power , and a lot of it , this could easily lead to WWlll at this point , that effects the whole world

Ukraine has nothing left to loose and will continue fighting to the last man against the naked Russian aggression. IMO