Will Bush Attack Iran If McCain Loses?

[dgridley]

Some speculate that Bush will order a strike on Iran if it looks like McCain will lose.. what a legacy!

Here's this bit of news as Israel eggs the US on toward a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/24/eveningnews/main4206201.shtml

"The Israelis have been assured by the Bush administration that the Bush administration will not allow Iran to nuclearize," Oren said. "Israelis are uncertain about what would be the policies of the next administration vis-à-vis Iran."

Israel's message is simple: If you don't, we will. Israel held a dress rehearsal for a strike earlier this month, but military analysts say Israel can not do it alone.

 

[-Alex-]

If Bush trys attacking Iran I am confident that criminal charges will be sought against him.

Plus, he will be president for what? 1 month? — no time to start a war, plus huge revolts against it.

Highly unlikely, should not even be a topic to debate on lol.

 

[dgridley]

Plenty of time to start a war, not enough time to finish one.. hence the legacy for the next president.

If Bush trys attacking Iran I am confident that criminal charges will be sought against him.

Plus, he will be president for what? 1 month? — no time to start a war, plus huge revolts against it.

Highly unlikely, should not even be a topic to debate on lol.

 

[GILSAN]

Ahmedinejan has said on various ocasions that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map and that the Holocaust did'nt really happen. The Israelis are uneasy with this provocation. The US cannot start another war in the Middle East at the moment because they are still involved in Iraque and Afghanistan and most of the world would be against it.

Israel however has a legitimate right to defend itself, so if there is an attack on that Nuclear Power Station it will be by Israel. They have done it in 1981 against Iraq. see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

and they will do it again against Iran even though it's further away and a bit more difficult to do.

Bush would be really stupid to do it, but it would not surprise me that Obama might do it after getting the US troops out of Iraque and if provoked suficiently by Ahmedinejan.

There are a lot of IFS in this scenario.

 

[thebrokenbox]

Yeah doing that would probably solidify the common feeling about him being the worst president ever. It's not the right time for Iran, although I do believe their time will come soon. Would be a legacy, but the wrong kind.

 

[kemjika11]

he probably will........just before he loses. Military conflicts no longer happen the way US wants them(short and sweet). If we attack iran, get ready for a mega-iraq situation...

 

[-Alex-]

Ahmedinejan has said on various ocasions that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map and that the Holocaust did'nt really happen. The Israelis are uneasy with this provocation. The US cannot start another war in the Middle East at the moment because they are still involved in Iraque and Afghanistan and most of the world would be against it.

Israel however has a legitimate right to defend itself, so if there is an attack on that Nuclear Power Station it will be by Israel. They have done it in 1981 against Iraq. see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

and they will do it again against Iran even though it's further away and a bit more difficult to do.

Bush would be really stupid to do it, but it would not surprise me that Obama might do it after getting the US troops out of Iraque and if provoked suficiently by Ahmedinejan.

There are a lot of IFS in this scenario.

One thing for sure. Unless obama is a liar (I'm 99.99999999% sure hes not) then he would definately not invade Iraq...

(That's excluding extravagant cases)

 

[GILSAN]

One thing for sure. Unless obama is a liar (I'm 99.99999999% sure hes not) then he would definately not invade Iraq...

(That's excluding extravagant cases)

We all know that Presidential Candidates have a diferent speech and have to act diferently once they get to Washington depending on the circumstances. Yes I would agree that it's unlikely to happen, but to be 99.99999999% sure !??... Hmmmm, thats wishfull thinking. In politics you can never be 99.99999999% sure.

 

[interestedenough]

Bush can't just declare war, that is congress' place. He could involve the US into another war behind the scenes, but that can finally get him impeached; sorry, but he might be dumb, but not suicidal. However, the Iranian's government's pursue of (more advanced) nuclear technology is VERY scary.

 

[Sergio965]

Bush can't just declare war, that is congress' place. He could involve the US into another war behind the scenes, but that can finally get him impeached; sorry, but he might be dumb, but not suicidal. However, the Iranian's government's pursue of (more advanced) nuclear technology is VERY scary.

Correct. Bush can't just go around the Senate and the House because he wants to wage war. He'd have to take it through congress in order for his actions to be considered viable.

The only time that Bush, or any president for that matter, can declare war without the approval of Congress if he declares it an act of self-defense (say Iran bombs New York - he can declare war). Otherwise, he won't do it.

Checks and balances people, checks and balances.

 

[Ixix]

Ahmedinejan has said on various ocasions that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map and that the Holocaust did'nt really happen. The Israelis are uneasy with this provocation. The US cannot start another war in the Middle East at the moment because they are still involved in Iraque and Afghanistan and most of the world would be against it.

Israel however has a legitimate right to defend itself, so if there is an attack on that Nuclear Power Station it will be by Israel. They have done it in 1981 against Iraq. see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm

and they will do it again against Iran even though it's further away and a bit more difficult to do.

Bush would be really stupid to do it, but it would not surprise me that Obama might do it after getting the US troops out of Iraque and if provoked suficiently by Ahmedinejan.

There are a lot of IFS in this scenario.

Well, i guess in that case Iran has a right to defend itself, too. how many countries want to see Iran off the map? Who over there wouldn't want to stockpile nukes after the mess that has happened in Iraq!

seriously, we need to stop this double standard when it comes to the middle east. Isreal has a right to invade other countries and blow up nuclear facilities....and they have the right to conduct military test maneuvers near iran, but imagine what would happen if syria or iran did the same thing. There'd be hell over there right now.

The world is angry, unhappy, and unbalanced. What does a country do when it's unhappy? They threaten to nuke each other off the planet.

You know, let it happen...lets just nuke ourselves off this planet, maybe the people that survive can get along better than we do. But then maybe there'd still be war and destruction afterward.

 

[weblord]

i pity the next president.

Plenty of time to start a war, not enough time to finish one.. hence the legacy for the next president.

 

[-Alex-]

We all know that Presidential Candidates have a diferent speech and have to act diferently once they get to Washington depending on the circumstances. Yes I would agree that it's unlikely to happen, but to be 99.99999999% sure !??... Hmmmm, thats wishfull thinking. In politics you can never be 99.99999999% sure.

Unless Iran attacks U.S. directly, or some matter similar to that, I HIGHLY doubt that Obama would start a war with Iran—unless he goes crazy with some desiese...

 

[bras0746]

seriously, we need to stop this double standard when it comes to the middle east.

quite. there's only one middle eastern country with nuclear weapons and that's the one occupying the west bank and gaza and which annexes territory and builds settlements on occupied territory in contravention of international law

 

[whitebark]

Ahmedinejan has said on various ocasions that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map and that the Holocaust did'nt really happen.

First of all - the Iranian president NEVER said 'wipe ISRAEL' from the map. It was a misquote during translation. This has been proven at length. Only those wanting war still trot this little line out. In fact - he was quoting someone else when this all started!

This article breaks this misquote down and its subsequent misuse by those wanting war:
www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

Did the moron question the holocaust - yes he did. And often at that. But if we are going to condemn a person and his nation to war, the least we can do is stay within the realm of fact in ALL instances.

Finally the Iranian president has no power to make war. He is a fake boogeyman. The real power in Iran is with the Supreme Leader who get this - soon after Sept 11 offered to meet with the Americans and settle their dispute - including their recognition of Israel as a state. It was ignored by Bush Co. The Supreme Leader has the sole power to declare war, the president has NO POWER to make war. He is nothing more than an idiot loudmouth.

If the only thing we have to start a war on Iran is this clown's denial of the holocaust then we best start bombing every nation where such idiots inhabit. Canada has one such clown, so does England, so does France, so does Germany...

But hey don't believe me - I only have a Master's Degree in Middle East studies.

 

[GILSAN]

Well, i guess in that case Iran has a right to defend itself, too. how many countries want to see Iran off the map? Who over there wouldn't want to stockpile nukes after the mess that has happened in Iraq!

seriously, we need to stop this double standard when it comes to the middle east. Isreal has a right to invade other countries and blow up nuclear facilities....and they have the right to conduct military test maneuvers near iran, but imagine what would happen if syria or iran did the same thing. There'd be hell over there right now.

The world is angry, unhappy, and unbalanced. What does a country do when it's unhappy? They threaten to nuke each other off the planet.

You know, let it happen...lets just nuke ourselves off this planet, maybe the people that survive can get along better than we do. But then maybe there'd still be war and destruction afterward.

You seem to have your facts wrong.
1. No country that I know of wants to see Iran wiped off the map. It's Iran that wishes that on Israel.
2. Israel is not conducting military test maneuvers near Iran, they did it over the Mediterranean last week. That is in the opposite direction to Iran.

If you remember, when the US invaded Iraque the first time after liberating Kuwait, hundreds of Scud missiles landed in Israel. If Israel had not destroyed that Nuclear power station near Bahgdad, who knows, maybe some of those Scuds could have contained Nuclear warheads.

So how on earth can anyone trust Ahmedinejan with a Nuclear Power Station and with tested missiles that can easily reach the Jewish State and especially after his threats towards Israel?

If Iran wants to provoke Israel that's up to them, but they must be prepared to suffer the consequences if they push too far!

GIL

 

[Ixix]

You seem to have your facts wrong.
1. No country that I know of wants to see Iran wiped off the map. It's Iran that wishes that on Israel.
2. Israel is not conducting military test maneuvers near Iran, they did it over the Mediterranean last week. That is in the opposite direction to Iran.

If you remember, when the US invaded Iraque the first time after liberating Kuwait, hundreds of Scud missiles landed in Israel. If Israel had not destroyed that Nuclear power station near Bahgdad, who knows, maybe some of those Scuds could have contained Nuclear warheads.

So how on earth can anyone trust Ahmedinejan with a Nuclear Power Station and with tested missiles that can easily reach the Jewish State and especially after his threats towards Israel?

If Iran wants to provoke Israel that's up to them, but they must be prepared to suffer the consequences if they push too far!

GIL

well then, go in and kill them all. war is good for the economy anyway, right..and the republicans need to win this year, so let's just go and fight the big bad iran. we should have it like a vote where people call in on their phones (like american idol) for who wants a war with iran. wars are fun, and that's what everybody wants.

only, i suggest that only the ones that want to fight should go and fight. i mean, people like mccain, bush, and all the war hawks out there should put their blood where their mouth is and go fight in these stupid, impossible to win, militant inciting, wars themeselves.

Go ahead, Iran provoked you. Mr. Ahmedajawhatever his name is said that the holocaust didn't exist ... or something like that... oh no! get a rope, there needs to be a hanging! he probably said your mama wears army boots too...lets destroy iran's economy now too.

Yeay! a war!

 

[interestedenough]

If only the heads of all these governments devoted themselves to domain investing like we do then they would stop irresponsible wars, greedy development of nuclear weapons, and provocative military maneuvers.

 

[-Alex-]

well then, go in and kill them all. war is good for the economy anyway, right..and the republicans need to win this year, so let's just go and fight the big bad iran. we should have it like a vote where people call in on their phones (like american idol) for who wants a war with iran. wars are fun, and that's what everybody wants.

only, i suggest that only the ones that want to fight should go and fight. i mean, people like mccain, bush, and all the war hawks out there should put their blood where their mouth is and go fight in these stupid, impossible to win, militant inciting, wars themeselves.

Go ahead, Iran provoked you. Mr. Ahmedajawhatever his name is said that the holocaust didn't exist ... or something like that... oh no! get a rope, there needs to be a hanging! he probably said your mama wears army boots too...lets destroy iran's economy now too.

Yeay! a war!

Sarcastic... im guessing?

And Gilsan, we agree on futball/soccer, but not here lol. I think you've got your facts wrong :p

In all truth though, do you believe the u.s. should go to war?

 

[.X.]

Well, i guess in that case Iran has a right to defend itself, too. how many countries want to see Iran off the map? Who over there wouldn't want to stockpile nukes after the mess that has happened in Iraq!

seriously, we need to stop this double standard when it comes to the middle east. Isreal has a right to invade other countries and blow up nuclear facilities....and they have the right to conduct military test maneuvers near iran, but imagine what would happen if syria or iran did the same thing. There'd be hell over there right now.

The world is angry, unhappy, and unbalanced. What does a country do when it's unhappy? They threaten to nuke each other off the planet.

You know, let it happen...lets just nuke ourselves off this planet, maybe the people that survive can get along better than we do. But then maybe there'd still be war and destruction afterward.

"The world is angry, unhappy, and unbalanced. What does a country do when it's unhappy? They threaten to nuke each other off the planet."

I believe the same Isis, The tension in the world is beyond Pissed Off.

The US needs to get it's troops out of Iraq, I don't think we could go at a ground war with Iran right now, the resources of troops are exhausted between Iraq and Afghanistan. The middle east has it's way of living, country by country. A lot of their ways of life are Religion, The US needs to let them be, leave the region as an aggressor, and let the people live their lives, like they know how.

As you are saying Isis, Israel can, and has fought it's own battles, for many years, they can continue to fight them, with out the US, they have capabilities to kick some major ass, If they ever choose to do so.

Do i think Bush would deploy troops into Iran, If McCain looses? Lord help us if he does, Look at our economy, look at the losses of life in Iraq and Afghanistan, It could possibly take a Military Draft, to enable the US to send ground troops into Iran.