discuss Why I disagree with registered TLDs as a standard of value

[Stan Spencer]

I own many names with very few names registered in extensions. But they are still valuable in my opinion.

I'll give a couple examples. Two geodomains I registered, Surxondaryo.com and Qashqadaryo.com. Both of them only have 2 TLDs registered, .com and .uz (the ccTLD for Uzbekistan). If I was able to afford it, I would have registered .org and .net in both, but I've been focused more on having more variety in names.

A lot of people's initial thought is probably that these domains are low value and not even worth selling for $100. The names don't seem immediately notable to them, therefore they aren't. In fact these are names of regions of a country, Uzbekistan, that each have millions of people living in them.

The fact that they are obscure to many people does not disprove their inherent value. The domain community just hasn't gotten around to appreciating their value. The same is true of automated appraisals, they don't always appreciate a domain's true value. I think any province-level region of a country should be considered high value in .com .net and .org extensions.

These domains are just an example, I'm not trying to sell them in this thread. If we went solely by registered TLDs, domains like them wouldn't be considered. How many good domains are sitting there, because of they have a low number of registered TLDs?

Domains like that are hard to sell, but they may not always be. As more of people in countries like that go online and use the Internet more, geodomains like that are not going to be as easy to register.

 

[simonpan]

You are destroying your own argument. I won’t even take Surxondaryo.com and Qashqadaryo.com for free

 

[Stan Spencer]

You are destroying your own argument. I won’t even take Surxondaryo.com and Qashqadaryo.com for free

Does it not matter at all that they are names of province-level regions, with millions of residents?

Why would anyone give away names like that for free?

 

[bmugford]

I own many names with very few names registered in extensions. But they are still valuable in my opinion.

I'll give a couple examples. Two geodomains I registered, Surxondaryo.com and Qashqadaryo.com. Both of them only have 2 TLDs registered, .com and .uz (the ccTLD for Uzbekistan). If I was able to afford it, I would have registered .org and .net in both, but I've been focused more on having more variety in names.

A lot of people's initial thought is probably that these domains are low value and not even worth selling for $100. The names don't seem immediately notable to them, therefore they aren't. In fact these are names of regions of a country, Uzbekistan, that each have millions of people living in them.

The fact that they are obscure to many people does not disprove their inherent value. The domain community just hasn't gotten around to appreciating their value. The same is true of automated appraisals, they don't always appreciate a domain's true value. I think any province-level region of a country should be considered high value in .com .net and .org extensions.

These domains are just an example, I'm not trying to sell them in this thread. If we went solely by registered TLDs, domains like them wouldn't be considered. How many good domains are sitting there, because of they have a low number of registered TLDs?

Domains like that are hard to sell, but they may not always be. As more of people in countries like that go online and use the Internet more, geodomains like that are not going to be as easy to register.

In general, the more domains a term is taken in the more demand there is.

It's true that any term can have value, especially in .COM.

However, I doubt domains of regions in Uzbekistan are really in high demand.

They are not taken in many domains for a reason.

Brad

 

[Eric Lyon]

I own many names with very few names registered in extensions. But they are still valuable in my opinion.

The "Number of extensions registered" as a value metric, only works in some cases with some combinations, not all of them. It's actually a false positive assumption of demand. For instance, just because a vague acronym or word is registered in 325 different extensions, does not mean the end user or start-up demand justifies it, it generally just means investors/resellers are highly speculating it.

I'll give a couple examples. Two geodomains I registered, Surxondaryo.com and Qashqadaryo.com. Both of them only have 2 TLDs registered, .com and .uz (the ccTLD for Uzbekistan). If I was able to afford it, I would have registered .org and .net in both, but I've been focused more on having more variety in names.

if you researched it and found demand in multiple other variables/metrics, then you would know better than those who have not researched it.

A lot of people's initial thought is probably that these domains are low value and not even worth selling for $100. The names don't seem immediately notable to them, therefore they aren't. In fact these are names of regions of a country, Uzbekistan, that each have millions of people living in them.

Sounds like they have a Geo-Targeted audience, which limits the window of opportunity and pool of demand.

The fact that they are obscure to many people does not disprove their inherent value. The domain community just hasn't gotten around to appreciating their value. The same is true of automated appraisals, they don't always appreciate a domain's true value. I think any province-level region of a country should be considered high value in .com .net and .org extensions.

You should never rely on automated appraisal tools, which don't account for various factors, like upcoming trends, markets shifts, real world use case comparisons vs 12-month projected start-up revenue potential, etc...

These domains are just an example, I'm not trying to sell them in this thread. If we went solely by registered TLDs, domains like them wouldn't be considered. How many good domains are sitting there, because of they have a low number of registered TLDs?

Domains like that are hard to sell, but they may not always be. As more of people in countries like that go online and use the Internet more, geodomains like that are not going to be as easy to register.

Most investors/resellers aren't even up-to-date in all the different niche combinations in their own country, let alone another countries potential(s).

It really boils down to your own in-depth research and due diligence to identify a local or Geo potential that a new start-up could use to build a trusted brand on.

Remember, at the end of the day, a domain name is truly only worth what a buyer and seller agree on.

 

[Stan Spencer]

In general, the more domains a term is taken in the more demand there is.

It's true that any term can have value, especially in .COM.

However, I doubt domains of regions in Uzbekistan are really in high demand.

They are not taken in many domains for a reason.

Brad

It's true they aren't in high demand. But I don't consider current demand to reflect potential demand and potential value.

More and more people around the world are going online, and more are becoming involved in domain investing as a result. I doubt they will always be low demand.

I'm just saying my opinion is that the number of registered TLDs is not that important to be considered a requirement of value. The number reflects current demand for that name. That does reflect value, but should not be a requirement to be considered valuable, in my opinion.

 

[Stan Spencer]

Questions to ask of low reg TLD names:

Is this a real word, phrase or place name?

Does it have geographic or economic relevance?

If it's not a real word, is it at least brandable and seems like a valuable brand name?

If it's a place name, how many people live there?

Beyond population, is the place notable in some other way?

Does the name represent a valuable industry?

Is there a Wikipedia article about this word/phrase/place?

 

[biggie]

Hi

your personal opinion about a domains value is less important to those who view it

especially when it’s listed on a marketplace, because you are not there to speak for the name.

so, it stands alone, waiting


imo….

 

[Stan Spencer]

What if someone said the name of a US state (like Massachusetts.com) is not valuable, because I've never heard of it. Which probably would be a true statement for many people around the world who don't know all the names of US states. It's true more people know about the United States than various countries. It's definitely one of the most important countries in the world and one of the most populous countries. Names of US states should definitely be considered more valuable than many other comparable province-level regions. That's because of the prominence of the US. Yet, countries are still countries, and there has to be some baseline of value for that. There are less than 200 independent countries on Earth, which usually only have a few dozen regions each. That's a very finite pool of names. My opinion is that many domain investors and automated appraisals haven't appreciated the true value of these names yet.

I'm not bothered only by those names specifically not selling, as I have other comparable names (low reg TLD) that are also not selling (regions of Honduras for example). I just don't see the number of registered TLDs as that important for value. It could be any type of name, not just geodomains. I often see buyer requests that always require a certain number of TLDs registered. It's very easy to register TLDs for cheap, anyway. So one could easily fake this "value" with some cheap TLDs.

.COM is the most important domain extension in the world. I don't judge .com domains by how many other extensions copy that name. It may be a factor, but it's not something I see as very important. Similarly, .net and .org are also important as some of the oldest extensions, so I don't consider whether some have registered a lot of cheap .website .online .site type of names which some probably do to make their names seem more valuable.

A lot of valuable names are just not taken in many extensions. That applies to a lot of premium Atom.com names, especially since a lot of them are just made up words that sound brandable.

 

[Kyle Tully]

Uzbekistan

Ah yes the thriving domain hotspot that is Uzbekistan.

 

[alcy]

I own many names with very few names registered in extensions. But they are still valuable in my opinion.

I'll give a couple examples. Two geodomains I registered, Surxondaryo.com and Qashqadaryo.com. Both of them only have 2 TLDs registered, .com and .uz (the ccTLD for Uzbekistan). If I was able to afford it, I would have registered .org and .net in both, but I've been focused more on having more variety in names.

A lot of people's initial thought is probably that these domains are low value and not even worth selling for $100. The names don't seem immediately notable to them, therefore they aren't. In fact these are names of regions of a country, Uzbekistan, that each have millions of people living in them.

The fact that they are obscure to many people does not disprove their inherent value. The domain community just hasn't gotten around to appreciating their value. The same is true of automated appraisals, they don't always appreciate a domain's true value. I think any province-level region of a country should be considered high value in .com .net and .org extensions.

These domains are just an example, I'm not trying to sell them in this thread. If we went solely by registered TLDs, domains like them wouldn't be considered. How many good domains are sitting there, because of they have a low number of registered TLDs?

Domains like that are hard to sell, but they may not always be. As more of people in countries like that go online and use the Internet more, geodomains like that are not going to be as easy to register.

they are not low value

they are no value

tlds taken are not some standard of value

they are equivalent of age of domain being standard of value

meaning.. old names and names with many tld taken have better odds of selling.

that's all there is to it

 

[Stan Spencer]

Ah yes the thriving domain hotspot that is Uzbekistan.

It's not a thriving domain hotspot, yet.....all countries with large populations have that potential.

There are over 140,000 .uz domains registered. Yes, more are most likely being sold than listed there.

 

[Future Sensors]

The core question remains: is this the most efficient/effective use of your capital, offering the greatest likelihood of a solid return? Your capital would likely work harder for you in a different type of domain investment.

 

[NameGroove]

OP, you are arguing against supply & demand. In extensions taken in high numbers supply is limited (both by being taken, and by the price of the subset that taken and for sale). Whatever demand there is has limited choice.

In your examples, if I was a business and wanted the keyword Surxondaryo - and went to see if it was avail and you listed it at what I considered a high price, and then I noticed Surxondaryo.org was avail at a hand registered price, I'd take that and be quite happy. Because supply is plentiful for these "unknown" names - it caps the price you can charge. Go over that price - and watch demand move to alternate extensions. Especially outside the USA where com is less king than within it.

 

[JB Lions]

Does it not matter at all that they are names of province-level regions, with millions of residents?

Why would anyone give away names like that for free?

I like geos myself, quick look and it's mostly known for agriculture. I like geos known for tourism aka money. Never heard of the ones you mentioned, hard to spell. I'm sure locals know it. Not registered in any other extensions besides the local one is another clue.

I have geos registered in many extensions, I also have a few like the ones you mentioned, where I have the .com and it's registered in the local extension like this one, eysturoy - https://dotdb.com/search?keyword=eysturoy&position=any

In .com and .fo but also part of other names.

Look how beautiful that place is - https://www.google.com/search?clien...eb6AR4QtKgLegQIDxAB&biw=1536&bih=678&dpr=1.25