news Whois data GONE in USA on May 25, 2018

[John Mauriello]

http://www.circleid.com/posts/20180412_holocaust_remembrance_day/

see the last 2 paragraphs

Yet privacy rights were not the issue raised in the discussion convened by the IPC/BC on their proposed model for 'accreditation' to access Whois data. Instead, last Friday, we heard - yet again - how to give unlimited access to Whois data to any law enforcement, any cybersecurity firm, any trademark owner; basically to anyone who seeks it. The potential that journalists might use the non-public WHOIS data was recognized and credited; the potential that journalists might be the subject of a fishing expedition by a government or individual they criticized in a publication was not. The IPC/BC lawyers heading the meeting then heard that the GDRP rejects unlimited access to data — and they, in turn, unilaterally rejected the interpretation and advice of the legal advisor to ICANN, in the Hamilton Memo (#3). They told 150 people listening to the meeting that ICANN could give unlimited access to non-public Whois data to those the IPC/BC chose in their accreditation model.

We need real community consultation and on neutral ground — at ICANN — where we can again discuss what the law requires and what real compliance involves. Most importantly, we need to stop talking about who wants access to domain name data and start talking about how to respect the privacy rights of registrants. On this day of all days, on this week of all weeks, it's time for ICANN to be on the right side of law, the right side of principle and the right side of history. We hold the personal and sensitive data of almost 200 million domain name registrants. Today we must recognize that the privacy of this data could be the difference between protection and suppression.

 

[Name Trader]

Because EU citizens are required to have protection no matter where they live, and it would be a nightmare trying to track down everyone in the world who has dual/multi-citizenship to an EU nation.There is no "opt out" option for an EU citizen living in the US.

I'm going to change my citizenship..... O. I forgot. we're leaving

 

[alwaysforGod]

One could just make live changes to displayed core or otherwise administrative files/text data, or perhaps the issue is that people do not want to have to actually host a space to display their ownership of a domain?
Not to sound offputting, but I feel it is a small demand (one that should probably already be met) that if you wish to sell a domain for a (usually large, as everyone always talking about) profit then you should also be prepared to use traditional means of verification to show it belongs to you, or that you are genuinely acting on behalf of the owner. Long before the hustle and bustle of selling raw domain names there was the original, and still currently, intended purpose for such sales: websites.

It's kinda like: Want to sell land for developed land prices yet do not want to have the slightest understanding of what goes into developing land? Desire to draw Park Place revenue like you have 4 hotels on it but you still haven't even got the Boardwalk, much less understand the costs associated with such?
Do you typically buy specialty items from a seller who doesn't even know what company they were made by, which materials it is made from, and where to trace its point of origin?
Or how can you expect to sell something door-to-door when you don't even understand common courtesy or how a doorbell works, ya dig?

IMHO too many people that have too much extra cash have been roaming around (ab)using their social sway and influence to profit off of companies that didn't understand what enduser possibilities truly are, or what was being offered fully, and then by falsely inflating certain "land values" (with private trading, expensive marketing, casting shade in the form of untrue negative reports about competitors 'not in the club' given to potential customers) on the internet they have caused an extreme level of distrust among the common consumer.
And with all the negative connotations brought about by scammers, dishonest sellers, and then the borderline or actual spammy tactics employed by pretty much all of the domaining community (in one sense or another) we now see new restrictions in place, which are all aftereffects of influence by people whose business sense is based primarily around thoughts for their own personal profit margins and not for quality product assurance, or even for just simply having the customer's best interests at heart.

Now we are seeing more attention on internet security in general, and hopefully will continue to see a much more cautious and slow-to-go approach being made by endusers, site owners, and new/old people who wish to be involved with the buying/selling of domains and websites, along with everyone in general!

-Professor Domain

 

[Galaxy Traveller]

For ownership verity:
I would like to receive an email using the domain and then escrow service. Though if the seller is trusted namepros member like xynames, silentptnr, mapledots and many well known members I think even escrow is not required for most of the transactions.

For outbound:
It will be difficult if using who is email. (please focus on this area)

For inbound:
We need to depend on service like Afternic, Undeveloped etc.

 

[Galaxy Traveller]

It would be better if this privacy thing is optional . Example, Yes No button for privacy option.

 

[elevator]

I'm going to change my citizenship..... O. I forgot. we're leaving

Not only in US
Check this
Key changes upcoming:
https://www.eugdpr.org/key-changes.html

 

[elevator]

I am very sure there will be a way out of it

 

[jideofor]

It is even better for me as a Nigerian; no body will be looking at my profiles and discriminate anymore

lol bro,how would you reach end users?

 

[elevator]

lol bro,how would you reach end users?

One way closes another one opens; world will never end. Wait and see what will happen, we have expirienced many obstacles in domaining and there were always way out of them all.

Cheers World will not end.

 

[blockchain]

great..
no more search domain registration and crap web design services

 

[ajenipa]

lol bro,how would you reach end users?

iinbound, info@domain, contact form,mailtester = a lot of work there, hunter and clearbit might help.

the big downside to this is that we might not be able to check the rightful owner of a domain name .

 

[alwaysforGod]

Ensuring you have a way to be contacted from your domains is a good step for people to take if they want to be able to be reached by users typing a domain in directly.

 

[imadoer]

I think whois will only be gone in the eu. I don't think this will be the case in the USA I guess we have to wait and see. Im sure there will be a loophole somewhere. I will be hunting for one

 

[viralk]

spammers now

VS
Spammers after Whois data is gone. LOL

 

[gpmgroup]

This is what I would do: Please feel free to shoot it down
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Only 7% of the world lives in the EU.
It only affects companies with a presence in the EU
It only applies to natural EU persons

Therefore for this group only, what is required is registrant consent. (The EU registrars want to quit complaining and either move out the EU or get an email sent out to their registrants.)

The email simply needs to explain that WHOIS is a valuable public resource and asking registrants for consent to:

1. Their data being escrowed to a third party outside the EU
(It’s for the registrant’s benefit in case a registrar decides it desires to keep some of the registrant’s domains.)

2. How they consent to their personal data will be used for public WHOIS purposes
(a) their personal information is displayed in the public WHOIS.
(b) their personal information is held with an existing approved 3rd party privacy service
(c) their objection to their personal data being used for WHOIS purposes

Any that opt for (c) should have all their name, telephone number & email address only removed, a note should be placed in the WHOIS and their name should be replaced with an ID Number/Hash so that all domains owned by the same person can be easily identified of being under the same ownership.

New registrations are easy as a request for consent at the point of registration can be made. People with multiple domains are also easy as this information should only need to be requested once per account. The registrars already have to email registrants about WHOIS compliance notices so this really shouldn’t be such a big problem.

This should mean only a small percentage of the domains in ICANN WHOIS see any change.

Any suggestions errors would be appreciated then we can send ICANN a letter on how to get this fixed before the 25th May

 

[McDuke]

I wonder how Godaddy is going to recoup "privacy" profits for share holders.

 

[alwaysforGod]

They should start with ensuring they properly meet all customer satisfaction needs, since they are now on the more expensive end of things with less to offer!

 

[ajenipa]

I think there is opt in to disclose data

 

[Kale Kale]

Mmmmm, it a part it is "good", because we will see less spam, but it is bad for our own privacy, those who wish to maintain their anonymity online.

 

[Kale Kale]

I don't see why people care about spam. delete and move on. takes less than two seconds. most of the spam i get goes direct to spambox anyways, i don't even see it.

Exactly, that's why I wrote "good", because that's the only "benefit" people seem to see. They are only taking away another bit of our personal freedom and right to anonymity, but well, that seems to be very normal nowadays and people are happy to take it, because you know, security matters more than freedom!

 

[alwaysforGod]

I am certain different methods of privatization will be implemented, either by individuals or business entities. Either way, it will play out

 

[jideofor]

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I think there is opt in to disclose data

Who sent that bro?

 

[Daniel Owens]

If, you were worried about domain selling you could put a landing page up to help get a sale. Yeah, it's a little unclear if this only affects Europe or if it affects everyone's whois on every domain. Anyone here know 100% for sure, do it affect USA domain holders?

 

[Haris]

If, you were worried about domain selling you could put a landing page up to help get a sale. Yeah, it's a little unclear if this only affects Europe or if it affects everyone's whois on every domain. Anyone here know 100% for sure, do it affect USA domain holders?

I get more inquiries via whois than landing page.

and it looks like whois is gone already. Every service giving errors.

 

[elevator]

See the updating on GDPR and WHOIS forwarded to me by the Resellerclub.com

• • Privacy Protection remains beneficial for customers interested in having emails forwarded to them (e.g., for customers who are interested in sales opportunities for their domains, transfer requests, and fielding other communications) without publicly displaying their personal data
  • The email address displayed on WHOIS will be [email protected]
  • Parties interested in contacting the domain owner can fill out a form on the website and contact the domain owner through a forwarding service
• Notwithstanding the foregoing, access to the personal data of domain name registrants inside and outside the EEA may be granted when such access is necessary for technical reasons such as for the facilitation of transfers, or for law enforcement when it is legally entitled to such access

I have said there will be a way out of this matter. We are still going to have more way out soon.

 

[thevictor]

Does anyone know how this GDRP would affect outbound?

For example, if I was using LinkedIn to obtain contact info for a potential end-user and sent them an email to the email address listed on LinkedIn, would there be any issues associated with that process?

I could be wrong, but from what I understand, the "use" of information is what GDRP is all about, and not the "storage" of that information.