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[jlc]

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[benzdorf]

Deep Voice with Echo & Reverb:yell: >>. ( The Future is now; now now now now !!! )

 

[snoop]

"Who says there is no Future in dot tv... Not me!"

Actually I'm not sure anyone is saying that. The argument has alwways been whether there is money in it for domainers.

 

[mathewka010]

"Who says there is no Future in dot tv... Not me!"

Actually I'm not sure anyone is saying that. The argument has alwways been whether there is money in it for domainers.

I sold a dot.tv for 3500 euros (NDA) I'd have to say YES there is money in it for domainers.

 

[jlc]

"Who says there is no Future in dot tv... Not me!"

Actually I'm not sure anyone is saying that. The argument has alwways been whether there is money in it for domainers.

Just my opinion, the key word here is Future.

How long did Rick have to sit on candy.com or ireport.com and many others before they sold?

JLC

 

[poiuytrewq]

I would hate to be a lone voice in the wilderness, but I have been saying on here for a quite a while that there is no future in dot tv - from a domaining point of view. After several months of not even thinking about domains (as it is no longer my hobby and as a result I am alot happier, healthier, richer) I decided to update myself on the market. So I have just popped in to visit this board, checked out a few sales prices and trends on DNJ and sedo etc. and I have to conclude that it's even worse than I thought. Quite why anyone is wasting time aquiring and discussing something that has so obviously faltlined is beyond me.

Take my advice, forget dot TV and go and get some fresh air and exercise, get some sun and enjoy life! Don't waste time on a fruitless folly!

I will pop back in 6 months to see if things improve. Probably.

Au Revoir.

 

[freedom30]

...Au Revoir.

Toodle-doo.

 

[RogueWriter]

I would hate to be a lone voice in the wilderness, but I have been saying on here for a quite a while that there is no future in dot tv - from a domaining point of view. After several months of not even thinking about domains (as it is no longer my hobby and as a result I am alot happier, healthier, richer) I decided to update myself on the market. So I have just popped in to visit this board, checked out a few sales prices and trends on DNJ and sedo etc. and I have to conclude that it's even worse than I thought. Quite why anyone is wasting time aquiring and discussing something that has so obviously faltlined is beyond me.

Take my advice, forget dot TV and go and get some fresh air and exercise, get some sun and enjoy life! Don't waste time on a fruitless folly!

I will pop back in 6 months to see if things improve. Probably.

Au Revoir.

There is no magic switch that's gonna turn on and suddenly all of these domains are gold. The domain 'facebook.com' is not a billion dollar domain because of the keyword or extension, it's the idea, investment, and development behind the domain, as is the case with every other extension. If you are a lot happier, hey, great, life is short, go out and have a great life. But, don't forget to come back from time to time, it's always good to 'see' old faces pop up.

 

[gr8trfoo]

I will pop back in 6 months to see if things improve. Probably.

Au Revoir.

You ought to make it it 2-3 years. I think by then there might be a sustainable trickle of type-in traffic on good names.

 

[Blastoff]

If anyone interested, we just had a discussion about “The Future of .TV”: http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/593446-the-future-of-tv.html

Thanks Clips.TV for the advise, but, I'd bet most of us here are able to balance their time between work and play.

 

[snoop]

There is no magic switch that's gonna turn on and suddenly all of these domains are gold. The domain 'facebook.com' is not a billion dollar domain because of the keyword or extension, it's the idea, investment, and development behind the domain, as is the case with every other extension. If you are a lot happier, hey, great, life is short, go out and have a great life. But, don't forget to come back from time to time, it's always good to 'see' old faces pop up.

Some names are valuable and some aren't.

Facebook.com is an example of a site where success has not been due to the domain name. Las Vegas was built in the desert, but let's not kid ourselves that they somehow started with good land because it was successful.

Elements of your business model can be "not so good" or "bad" and you can still do well. But if your model loosely titled "registering hundreds of domains and trying to make money" starts with registering not good domains, well, there is really no cure for that. It is a bit planning on being a mathematician even though you can't count. Ok in some occupations you probably don't need to be able to count, but if you are a mathematician you do. If you are an expert developer with great ideas etc you can probably get away with registering names like "facebook" or del.ico.us but if you are a domainer you probably cannot.

For those who think they are "developers" I would ask what they heck are they doing on a domain forum and and why do they own hundreds of names that they have no hope of developing?

If you want to do well at domaining buy valuable domains, if you want to do badly buy worthless domains. If you want to be a good developer, then learn how to develop well, the domain won't be crucial, but if you are registering dozens of names then realize you are probably a domainer.

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You ought to make it it 2-3 years. I think by then there might be a sustainable trickle of type-in traffic on good names.

How about we agree it on the never never?

It has been "wait a few more years" for as long as I can remember. "Making money" generally starts with making money today. Things won't suddenly change for this extension after 13 years of mediocrity.

 

[benzdorf]

Well im here to discuss, buy and some day sell domain names..
:talk:

 

[gr8trfoo]

It has been "wait a few more years" for as long as I can remember. "Making money" generally starts with making money today. Things won't suddenly change for this extension after 13 years of mediocrity.

actually you make a lot of sense a lot of the time when you illustrate for users here why they should stay out of .tv. there are plenty of much more brilliant opportunities to meet roi with all the dropping .com's right now. buying .tv with the hope of making a killing is going to be for most a very painful experience.

but its not the extension that things will change for. television and how its delivered and what people think about it are whats changing. take a look around and you cant help but see that its so. you readily admit that the real world finds use in .tv, and we see everyday more notable exposure. hence my intuitive prediction that type-in traffic for .tv is an eventual certainty. we might both be wrong about when - you can say never and my projection of 2-3 years could be extremely optimistic, but it will happen someday. just probably a lot farther off than most domainers want to be invested for.

btw - it took me more than a whole year before i made a single dime off domains. but then end-user sales (esp of LLLL.com's) took off like a rocket. darn few ventures of any substance start off earning money from day 1. to belive otherwise is merely inviting premature disappointment.

 

[Kate]

Personally, I like .us and I think the US shunning its own TLD is an anomaly. But let's face it: the market is crap.

Don't kind yourself. Don't put blind faith in extensions just because you like them. It will be a one-way love story.

After a decade of stagnation and 'mediocrity' I am surprised domainers are still waiting... waiting for what exactly ?

Not to say there is no future in .tv, but what kind of future ?

How long did Rick have to sit on candy.com or ireport.com and many others before they sold?

Candy.com is a premium domain that can sell anytime. Premium domain are normally going to remain premium domains. Crap domains are normally not going to become premium over time, ditto for the extensions.

Not everything can sell just by 'waiting'. Too many domainers are 'waiting' for dreams that will never materialize.

 

[snoop]

hence my intuitive prediction that type-in traffic for .tv is an eventual certainty. we might both be wrong about when - you can say never and my projection of 2-3 years could be extremely optimistic, but it will happen someday. just probably a lot farther off than most domainers want to be invested for.

Type in traffic isn't something that would "suddenly" appear. It would have been already building up over the years and we'd see people selling .tv names with screenshots of traffic attached. In .tv it is only the very top names and domains with typo/confusion traffic that produces meaningful traffic. I really hope you aren't banking on type in traffic to save the day for .tv.

btw - it took me more than a whole year before i made a single dime off domains. but then end-user sales (esp of LLLL.com's) took off like a rocket. darn few ventures of any substance start off earning money from day 1. to belive otherwise is merely inviting premature disappointment.

Disagree, on the internet things seem to work pretty quickly or they don't. And we aren't talking days, we are talking years, decades. In 1999 people were making a big deal about .tv.

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Just my opinion, the key word here is Future.

How long did Rick have to sit on candy.com or ireport.com and many others before they sold?

JLC

To be honest he didn't have to wait long. He has a strong portfolio of names that produces solid revenue and occasional big sales (every 3-6 months). The model is there, it works today, it worked 5 years ago, it will probably work in another 5 years.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

Thanks once again for the valuable input Snoop. This irrational hatred of an extension is bizarre and must consume rather a lot of your free time. It also confirms what I was told as a child, always be wary of people who start sentences with 'to be honest..." (does this imply you are normally not honest, but are making an exception just for us?)

The main point of you tale, I assume, is to say .TV has been around for some time therefore has had enough of a chance to make its mark. If that were always the case in life then things like Facebook, IMDB, even the wonderful Susan Boyle would never have entered our world as they too were all 'slow starters'.

Who actually cares about .Tv in 1999? The technology to show the output wasn't realistically in place at the time - unlike today - and more importantly - tomorrow.

Fact - the domain aftermarket and domainer to domainer sales are in a horrible state of affairs....

...but so too are sales of .coms and .everything else. I think many have dropped far more .coms than .TVs. It might also be worth noting that most 'domainers' get their info on .TV names from Namepros - and guess who's always sitting here to slag off everything .TV and stifle real conversation?

Fact - the real world IS creating more and more .TV channels...

...yes, pure domainers may have lessened their sheeplike view of the value of .TV but end-users most certainly haven't. They, and the rest of the real world accept .TV to be what it says it is - TV - pure and simple.

The recession may be coming to an end - it may not. But technology is ALWAYS going forward. Examining the world from a 1999 perspective is mistaken. Perhaps many of us should be looking to 2010 to see what new opportunities there are for .TV instead of sitting here moaning.

Who knows could happen to change the world. If something crazy like Mac adding a .tv button next to their .com button on the iPhone - then some people could end up looking like the dinosaurs they really are.

More realistically, the simple fact that .TV can be seen everywhere and you don't have to explain what it is anymore in most places in the world will ensure its real world steady growth.

 

[snoop]

The main point of you tale, I assume, is to say .TV has been around for some time therefore has had enough of a chance to make its mark. If that were always the case in life then things like Facebook, IMDB, even the wonderful Susan Boyle would never have entered our world as they too were all 'slow starters'.

Are you saying you agree with Finster that you think this extension will suddenly start getting type in traffic in the next couple of years? (which is what the argument you have joined is about). Have you ever heard of an extension being around (and known) for years then suddenly getting type in traffic?

Fact - the domain aftermarket and domainer to domainer sales are in a horrible state of affairs....

...but so too are sales of .coms and .everything else.

It is a bit like comparing Microsoft with Enron. Yes the entire domain market has crashed. What has happened with .tv though is basically a complete wipeout. We are are comparing 50% falls with 90%-100% falls. That isn't the same thing. Holders of .tv domains are not in a similar position to the rest of the market.

I think many have dropped far more .coms than .TVs.

That doesn't say much. In fact I could say the same thing. I've dropped far more .com's than .tv's, it says nothing of itself. It is a bit like how equity constantly saying far more money has been lost in .com than .tv, of course far more money has been made aswell so it is pretty meaningless.

It might also be worth noting that most 'domainers' get their info on .TV names from Namepros - and guess who's always sitting here to slag off everything .TV and stifle real conversation?

Let me guess: You think that person stifling conversation is me and I think that person is you?....spitting out labels are a waste of words. We know what you think. Real arguments please.

...yes, pure domainers may have lessened their sheeplike view of the value of .TV but end-users most certainly haven't. They, and the rest of the real world accept .TV to be what it says it is - TV - pure and simple.

Of course, but that doesn't help us sitting here as domainers.

The recession may be coming to an end - it may not. But technology is ALWAYS going forward. Examining the world from a 1999 perspective is mistaken. Perhaps many of us should be looking to 2010 to see what new opportunities there are for .TV instead of sitting here moaning.

It might be an idea to look at history rather than making up what you think will happen in the future. I'm not one for predictions, I like making money today. Most people are wrong 50% of the time, me included.

Who knows could happen to change the world. If something crazy like Mac adding a .tv button next to their .com button on the iPhone - then some people could end up looking like the dinosaurs they really are.

So you'll base your domaining future on "crazy" predictions?

If I'm not "revealed as a dinosaur" though in coming years it is highly likely that you'll be doing something else rather than domaining. I guess time will tell though the domain insustry has seen so many h"ere today gone tomorrow" types over the years. They often make bold claims about the future and how others are "stuck" in "old ways" (you know like buy buying domains in extension that nobody uses like .com) then they quietly disappear.

More realistically, the simple fact that .TV can be seen everywhere and you don't have to explain what it is anymore in most places in the world will ensure its real world steady growth.

That has been the case for close to a decade.

 

[GoneWalkabout]

So much time...

(and it shows)

Fact - the real world IS creating more and more .TV channels and pure domainers may have lessened their sheeplike view of the value of .TV but end-users most certainly haven't.

 

[freedom30]

So much time...

(and it shows)

Fact - the real world IS creating more and more .TV channels and pure domainers may have lessened their sheeplike view of the value of .TV but end-users most certainly haven't.

Apparently, jimbola, our gallant crusader, Don Quixote, is marching valiantly forward...into the 20th century. I wouldn't want to inconvenience him by actually telling him what century it is right now, though, as it may send him into a form of culture shock and do irreparable harm to his cause.

I agree, .tv is becoming more clear and defined with each technological improvement of the internet. In the end, the endusers define the usefulness of a domain name(and extension).

 

[snoop]

So much time...

(and it shows)

Fact - the real world IS creating more and more .TV channels and pure domainers may have lessened their sheeplike view of the value of .TV but end-users most certainly haven't.

I have no idea on whether usage is generally rising or not, because I have never seen any reliable stats on it. Note - I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you- just saying there is nothing to show it either way, guesswork or (biased) anecdotal evidence isn't enough.

Whether it is or not enduser demand is rising or not doesn't matter much when prices have fallen to the degree that a liquid market barely exists anymore.

So obviously the majority of people don't share your confidence (despite what they say publicly). You can label them sheep if that is convenient and feels good to do so, but that fact is it makes for a pretty awful situation. Personally I'd prefer to follow the money when looking for the truth of the situation, it says alot more than what people say.

At the end of the day when you say domainers have largely given up buy enduser haven't how does that help us? We are domainers. The enduser market isn't going to sustain domainers. If domainers have given up why is that? Ok you simplify it to people being mindless sheep but surely people are making a financial decision here based on past experience?