What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Grilled]

https://archive.li/HzjTl

https://twitter.com/x/status/1263633780247420929

Taking a quick glance at FemFax.com
to see what the tweet may have been about,
On FemFax.com homepage,
under How can we help

CONNECT WITH YOUR BROS
"I got a message on Facebook with a link to my wife's FemFax report. As a Christian man I cannot utter what I saw, but I can tell you her soul is forever forfeit to Satan."

Jim J.New York

Not sure what FemFax.com is all about, but it sounds a little bit like, TrollTrace.com

 

[Grilled]

I'm going to try to keep this short. It's tough to write about.

Following in last months reporting of Epik Twitter updates,
recently I noticed a campaign relating to a domain registered at epik.
SanctionedSuicide.com/forums/recovery.7/
The domain appears to have been transferred to Epik
(not originally registered at epik -- initially at NameCheap)

Looking at that Twitter Members other tweets, I noticed a call to YourAnonCentral

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275526585689542656

If true about his gf, that is troubling to hear. Though, I question if there are other ways the bf can help. I don't know what current encouragement is occurring, but perhaps she could use some encouragement to seek help. Or redirect https://sanctionedsuicide.com/forums/suicide-discussion.2/ to https://sanctionedsuicide.com/forums/recovery.7/ in the host file. Or some similar evolved subtle approaches? If not a heavier more hands on approach?

My anxiety spikes while searching through that site, trying to get a grasp of what it's all about. Certain areas of that site have some very detailed content that I'm in no position judge. But another area [The Recovery Section] of that forum has some very encouraging, and appears to be a helpful community.

Recovery
Receive support, help others in need, form partnerships to get better, or just spend some time breathing in positivity.

Checking "sustainedsuicide.com" via Google News

https://local21news.com/news/local/mother-blames-website-for-daughters-suicide-pushes-for-change

So while there's probably a lot to unpack here, such as a free speech discussion regarding the parameters of what happens next after certain speech occurs in a public or recorded setting such as suicidal speech or threatening speech.

I don't recommend folks go to sustainedsuicide due to graphic content. Perhaps one of those consult your doctor, or a loved one prior. Though for those who have baseline suicidal ideations, I suppose talking to others who suffer similar thoughts in a 24/7 online anonymous recovery setting, then, that might be some intense free therapy. Taking it a step further, could a members forum profile be downloaded (with permission) then analyzed by AI or a mental health professional, to be used as a tool to assist a mental health professional, so to also help alleviate a patients concern of pressured speech condensing an extended life time period into a short 30-60 minute session? IDK. I wanted to keep this message short.

If anyone needs to talk, I'm not a mental health professional, though I suppose I am an experienced patient.

I can also vouch for @Rob Monster and other nPer's making themselves available in critical times to talk on a personal and helpful manner; differences aside.

Though a mental health provider is probably the best option.

 

[Samer]

I'm going to try to keep this short. It's tough to write about.

Following in last months reporting of Epik Twitter updates,
recently I noticed a campaign relating to a domain registered at epik.
SanctionedSuicide.com/forums/recovery.7/
The domain appears to have been transferred to Epik
(not originally registered at epik -- initially at NameCheap)

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Looking at that Twitter Members other tweets, I noticed a call to YourAnonCentral

https://twitter.com/x/status/1275526585689542656

If true, that is troubling to hear. Though, I question if there are other ways the bf can help. I don't know what evidence Robert Johnson speaks to, or the current encouragement, but perhaps she could use some encouragement to seek help. Or redirect https://sanctionedsuicide.com/forums/suicide-discussion.2/ to https://sanctionedsuicide.com/forums/recovery.7/ in the host file.

My anxiety spikes while searching through that site, trying to get a grasp of what it's all about. Certain areas of that site have some very detailed content that I'm in no position judge. But another area [The Recovery Section] of that forum has some very encouraging, and appears to be a helpful community.

Recovery
Receive support, help others in need, form partnerships to get better, or just spend some time breathing in positivity.

Checking "sustainedsuicide.com" via Google News
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https://local21news.com/news/local/mother-blames-website-for-daughters-suicide-pushes-for-change

So while there's probably a lot to unpack here, such as a free speech discussion regarding the parameters of what happens next after certain speech occurs in a public or recorded setting such as suicidal speech or threatening speech.

I don't recommend folks go to sustainedsuicide due to graphic content. Perhaps one of those consult your doctor, or a loved one prior. Though for those who have baseline suicidal ideations, I suppose talking to others who suffer similar thoughts in a 24/7 online anonymous recovery setting, then, that might be some intense free therapy. Taking it a step further, could a members forum profile be downloaded (with permission) then analyzed by AI or a mental health professional, to be used as a tool to assist a mental health professional, so to also help alleviate a patients concern of pressured speech condensing an extended life time period into a short 30-60 minute session? IDK. I wanted to keep this message short.

If anyone needs to talk, I'm not a mental health professional, though I suppose I am an experienced patient.

I can also vouch for @Rob Monster making himself available in critical times to talk on a personal and helpful manner; differences aside.

Though a mental health provider is probably the best option.

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Well then, someone better call Alex Jones.

 

[Grilled]

Well then, someone better call Alex Jones.

Oh er

 

[frank-germany]

...
I can also vouch for @Rob Monster and other nPer's making themselves available in critical times to talk on a personal and helpful manner; differences aside.

Though a mental health provider is probably the best option.

do I get it right?
@Grilled
you are proposing a NP member with suicidal intentions should contact Rob Monster????????

 

[Grilled]

you are proposing a NP member with suicidal intentions should contact Rob Monster????????

I said ideation.

To the point of intentions,
I recommend somebody with suicidal intentions reach out to as many folks as possible.

The premise being, there is always another option than ****....

If that other option is contacting another nP member, who are we to judge?

I spoke to Rob once in a similar situation. Having just left an inpatient unit against medical advice following a psych hold, and even though I disagree with most things Rob, I don't disagree with that phone call, or reaching out. Nor do I disagree with me reaching out to other nP members.

I would caution folks with thinking following the bible means following robs politics or epik marketing, or anything in between.

The world has a vast amount of resources. Some of it easier reachable than others, no matter if it's physically, or psychologically. We are all in this together comes to mind. You, me, other members, the outside world, to include doctors, nurses, mental health professionals, scientists, nuns, and more.

If your amount of question marks was wondering if Rob encouraged my suicidal ideations, the answer is a resounding NO.

Would I contact him again? Likely not. But that's due to events after we spoke.

Plus, I'm happy being connected to other nPers. Though, that doesn't mean I have found the fix all to alleviate frequent ideations.

 

[frank-germany]

I said ideation.

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To the point of intentions,
I recommend somebody with suicidal intentions reach out to as many folks as possible.

The premise being, there is always another option than ****....

If that other option is contacting another nP member, who are we to judge?

I spoke to Rob once in a similar situation. Having just left an inpatient unit against medical advice following a psych hold, and even though I disagree with most things Rob, I don't disagree with that phone call, or reaching out. Nor do I disagree with me reaching out to other nP members.

I would caution folks with thinking following the bible means following robs politics or epik marketing, or anything in between.

If your amount of question marks was wondering if Rob encouraged my suicidal ideations, the answer is a resounding NO.

Would I contact him again? Likely not. But that's due to events after we spoke.

Plus, I'm happy being connected to other nPers. Though, that doesn't mean I have found the fix all to alleviate frequent ideations.

I absolutely support your proposal to talk
to others
that includes NP Members

but my concern is that an unwanted effect might happen
as I guess that's a very tricky situation

 

[Grilled]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297191676004438017

 

[dirk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297191676004438017

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Sigh... If they would only just put all that effort in fixing their own issues. It's getting tiresome.

 

[tonyk2000]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297191676004438017

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@Grilled - what is it all about? Maybe a naive question (I do not follow social networks of industry participants), so what did we miss?

Competition between epik marketplace and dan marketplace? OK, statistically speaking ( https://bgp.he.net/report/tophosts ) dan is more popular. Dan is included into world top 100 hosts report - separately as dan and as undeveloped - while epik is not. It means that each has its own niche, pros and cons, and both should be able to peacefully coexist... I, for one, have accounts with both platforms (not actively using either, but it is irrelevant) - and I wish only the best to both dan and epik. Moreover, “A horse never runs so fast as when he has other horses to catch up and outpace.” - Ovid. Competition is good, both platforms and the industry in general can only improve as the result...

 

[Grilled]

@Grilled - what is it all about? Maybe a naive question (I do not follow social networks of industry participants), so what did we miss?

It seems to be some type of carry-over that briefly revealed itself in the comments of @Braden Pollock now deleted epik resignation tweet from June 2020.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1270611867598311425

<<<>>>

The anti DAN marketing material referenced in the June 10th tweet might** be the image that resurfaced in this latest exchange.

**might theoreticized by recognizing the email received dates in "The Truth about Dan" screenshot from the August tweet is ranged from June 1st to June 4th.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297165771483877377

...

More context to the current tweet exchange

Tweet string created by @Dosebuy ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297112285106843649

<<<>>>

@Rsardeha of @DAN.COM then responded, alleging Robert Davis (@Intelliname) was the poster of the screenshotted messages.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297121107523371010

@Intelliname responded

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297168090501963776

Others have jumped in urging peace.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297123196903272450

Meanwhile, the head of the ship, @Rob Monster appears to have stopped by to announce .VC promo. What's that old phrase again... don't trust a fart, and never waste a good PR scandal?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297188815329730560

 

[bmugford]

Wouldn't it be nice if Epik was just a normal registrar...that they just did normal registrar things and weren't constantly involved in all the drama around politics and other BS from Rob Monster, Intelliname, and others?

The common link between all this constant drama is Epik. It is one thing or another, non-stop.

Brad

 

[Grilled]

Continuing...

Arnold appears fed up, and drops the stupid mic.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297117471279849473

Meanwhile @lambo.com seems to think there is a better approach.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1297979198800384005

Shouldn't it be WWJD?

Why does it appear many are adopting to the WWDJTD approach?

Is it a deep state conspiracy after all, or can it be boiled down to one giant sized pr/communication CATASTROPHE/problem?

 

[topdom]

I wonder which conspiracy theories Epik is spreading. Give examples please.

 

[Truespin Domains]

Every now and then I poke my head back into this thread... And regret it immediately.

 

[Grilled]

I wonder which conspiracy theories Epik is spreading. Give examples please.

Here's one...
https://www.namepros.com/threads/epik-wikipedia-battle-is-full-on-right-now.1186029/#post-7726720

You can be sure that we used the nice guy approach first.

I am not debating her writing skills or research talent.

I was calling out her obvious bias.

I was calling out the locked down status of the article that blocked others from editing.

You can turn a blind eye to that if you like but I think if you look a little deeper, you might conclude that the playing field is far from level.

The timing is also bizarro:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2018/10/15/george-soros-invests-future-free-open-knowledge/

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/vice-media-250-million-debt-funding-george-soros-1203205076/

Do you think just possibly people might follow the money?

 

[tonyk2000]

OMG. The things are so complicated, and there is no actual reason for this. IP blocking? Of office IP ranges? To begin with, Epik staff works mostly from home(s), as Rob himself stated on various occasions. Blocking dynamic IPs or residential ISPs serves no purpose, even if there is something questionable in their online activity.... .VC promo? Is it Epik exclusive? I thought it was available to all registrars who elected to offer this country code. At least, a related .vc namepros thread ( https://www.namepros.com/threads/warning-the-ngtld-and-cctld-fallacy-and-trap.1204144/ ) is educational and interesting, does not appear to be against any particular registrar or marketplace, and I myself enjoyed reading it and posting in. Long story short - I sincerely wish both epik and dan to resolve any and all issues they may have, without going public.
And @Truespin Domains posted my thoughts exactly -

Every now and then I poke my head back into this thread... And regret it immediately.

So I'll better return to daily tasks, would at least be productive!

 

[topdom]

I didn't follow this thread, just read some random parts of it.

What is the source of the problem (if any) between Dan and Epik: I don't know. My impression: Epik was interested in buying Dan, and decided to make some tests on it to check whether it works well, and this may involve fake offers on our domains or their own domains, making offers from different IPs, listing unregistered domains and making offers on them.. So it would be like whitehat hacking test. And Dan considered this as an attack from a competitor.. I think a good rating company should do such tests on marketplaces to check if everything is right. For example what happens if a domain is listed with 500 BIN in one marketplace, and gets 1K offer on the other marketplace: how does the second marketplace behave.

I consider both Epik and Dan as good companies, I mean they have good intentions, why I think so, for example both have fast customer service. It is not reasonable to think that Epik would attack Dan to become the 3rd biggest marketplace instead of 4th one. But purchasing the company makes lots of sense, if they have enough money and motivation. In short I suspect some experiments were considered as attacks. In other words challenge and attack are different things. But I really have no idea.. also I don't care much.

I suspect Dan is overreacting: not claiming what I mention above is correct but there are other examples:
problem with Sav, and not accepting corona domains.

(I will edit/remove this post if either party is unhappy about it,..so pls don't quote it for now..)

 

[dirk]

I didn't follow this thread, just read some random parts of it.

What is the source of the problem (if any) between Dan and Epik: I don't know. My impression: Epik was interested in buying Dan, and decided to make some tests on it to check whether it works well, and this may involve fake offers on our domains or their own domains, making offers from different IPs, listing unregistered domains and making offers on them.. So it would be like whitehat hacking test. And Dan considered this as an attack from a competitor.. I think a good rating company should do such tests on marketplaces to check if everything is right. For example what happens if a domain is listed with 500 BIN in one marketplace, and gets 1K offer on the other marketplace: how does the second marketplace behave.

I consider both Epik and Dan as good companies, I mean they have good intentions, why I think so, for example both have fast customer service. It is not reasonable to think that Epik would attack Dan to become the 3rd biggest marketplace instead of 4th one. But purchasing the company makes lots of sense, if they have enough money and motivation. In short I suspect some experiments were considered as attacks.

That ship has long sailed. They were acquired by Epik in march 2017 for €4M then they decided to part ways later that year. Details were not disclosed but apparently their services were not a good fit and didn't integrate very well.

They may have found some weaknesses at the time which shouldn't be surprising as undeveloped only started out in 2014 or 2015.

I'm not sure what dan's worth is atm but I think it'd be a very costly purchase for a registrar the size of Epik.

 

[frank-germany]

That ship has long sailed. They were acquired by Epik in march 2017 for €4M then they decided to part ways later that year. Details were not disclosed but apparently their services were not a good fit and didn't integrate very well.

They may have found some weaknesses at the time which shouldn't be surprising as undeveloped only started out in 2014 or 2015.

I'm not sure what dan's worth is atm but I think it'd be a very costly purchase for a registrar the size of Epik.

so you think Epik stepped away from the deal?

I was always thinking it was Undeveloped.

I was always thinking Rob was talking to Reza,
and then Reza stepped away ....

To me Reza always looked to like a clever guy.