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There are people who think just because a domain isn't an ultra premium .com, that the rest are worthless. They even tend to give more weight to a a .com with crappy and awkward keywords than a different extension with excellent keywords that tell exactly what the site is about. Yes end users preffer the .com, but most good .com domains are unobtainable for most groups.

Besides. Who cares if you buy i.e. an OKAY .org domain, which fits a business, at reg fee and manage to sell it for just $xx... Do that over and over again, and you can make $xx money for an hours worth of work finding/researching the domain.

What are your thoughts? Any truth in their beliefs?

Personally I think I'm going to be laughing all the way to the bank with this business model, while they are getting into frustrating bid wars with .com domains for the small cost to them of lots of $$$$$$
 
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My thoughts are, do you want to work 9 to 5 at Micky D's or an hour on the floor on Wall Street?

Not belittling anyone who works hard for their money to just make it nor saying it's that easy on the other spectrum either.

If you can find a formula that works for you that allows you to quit your day job, go for it.

This route could lead to $$$/day+, but it will take a huge portfolio and many contacts.

As opposed to 1 domain that people contact you monthly about.
 
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how much do decent or OK .orgs typically sell for?
 
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Everything is a variable, all you included was the TLD.

What's the niche? What's the search volume? High or low competition? Anyone else in the industry using the same or similar name in other TLDs or even org? Do they hold TMs for that word/phrase with intended use?

Most importantly, what is the name?

By posting it in the appraisal section, you will get a better idea of its exact value besides asking such a broad question.
 
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how much do decent or OK .orgs typically sell for?
please go to namebio.com and search by tld .org

To say they dont sell would be silly as the proof is right there that they do sell, but for the most part for them to sell for mid XXXX or above it must be a real good name.

If you watched enough late night TV in your life you will realize that you can sell everything, the question is the amount of work it would take.

Good luck
 
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Yeah the only downside to working like this would be a ton of microtransactions. $40 here and $40 there will take up alot of time. It's not for people with a life, that is for sure. Personally I would be using this business model to supplement a full time job. I don't make much so this could be extra spending money.
 
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Yeah the only downside to working like this would be a ton of microtransactions.
Sounds like a lot of work to get these microtransactions.
Personally I would be using this business model to supplement a full time job.
How are you going to find the time for finding end users to make those $40 $40 $40 sales with a full time job?
I don't make much so this could be extra spending money.
Realistically, you're shooting for the stars if you say you want extra spending money by selling .org on top of a full time job. Basically you're speaking 0 time off. When do you plan on using that extra spending money (assuming you're not speaking of bills, etc.)?
 
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Sounds like a lot of work to get these microtransactions.

How are you going to find the time for finding end users to make those $40 $40 $40 sales with a full time job?

Realistically, you're shooting for the stars if you say you want extra spending money by selling .org on top of a full time job. Basically you're speaking 0 time off. When do you plan on using that extra spending money (assuming you're not speaking of bills, etc.)?

Good points for sure. But my plan inculdes working a 24 hour job (full time + plus little domain sales), and then take time off from the domain business. If i had $xxx or $xxxx to invest in a good pre-release name I would definitely do it. But for now I'm just gonna have to rely on drops for regfee. It's hard to find drops that could be worth even $xx-$xxx. But they are out there and sometimes uncontested. These names likely drop because the previous owner wanted to put a B-rate domain for sell for boocoo bucks, and gave no effort in finding a buyer.
 
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There are people who think just because a domain isn't an ultra premium .com, that the rest are worthless. They even tend to give more weight to a a .com with crappy and awkward keywords than a different extension with excellent keywords

It's simple they're protecting their interest in .com and anything new or different isn't accepted. People in general don't like change but it's obviously coming.

Too much money being spent moving forward, look around...
 
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You can prove anything with statistics. But I am one of those .com guys, although about 10% of my portfolio is in other tld's. I can tell you, that I've sold maybe 100 .com domains over the years, but the number of non .com domains I've sold, I can count on 1 hand. I'm a passive seller. I'm also one of those guys who is letting most of his non .com portfolio expire. There just isn't the interest there. So go where the market is.

So I think there is lot of truth in their beliefs and your proposed strategy is going to take up a lot of your time with little reward. It's a very few people who will buy and develop something other than .com. It's mostly a credibility thing. Your customers will question your credibility if you are not on a .com or your country level tld (except .us) :)

I also see, as you rightly point out, a very competitive marketplace for the drops. Once one noob places a bid, you get more noobs competing with them. Happens with experienced domainers as well. I think quite often these domains go for way too much money. At least for a passive domainer, like me.

A case in point. Carol.com, a great domain name, went for $20k+ on GoDaddy recently. I was in that auction. But this domain is faillisted by Google. Believe me, it is nigh on impossible to get a domain un-faillisted. I think for a faillisted domain, $20k is too much money. OK, if they spend the time and get it unfaillisted, it's probably worth between $50-100K, if they can find the right buyer. But I suspect the buyer just wants to try to sell it on for that price without doing anything to get it un-faillisted. ie. find a mug to buy it in this faillisted condition. They might or might not be successful.
 
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Domaining should not be one extension to the exclusion of others. There are opportunities in each extension, although I would stay away from the truly weak extensions. Certainly if you are going to spend a couple thousand registering .org, you could look at picking up a nice .com instead, nothing wrong with researching your options before you jump.
 
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I don't think you are a ".COM snob" if you deal in .COM. There is actual demand and a proven market there.

With that said, I also agree that the majority of .COM sell for way too much at most auction venues when it comes to reseller price.

The problem really is not .COM, it is your business model. I deal in secondary extensions as well, but you are assuming "okay" .ORG are going to be easy to sell. That is not the case.

Even if you hand registered an okay domain for say $9, you are talking about selling it for $XX. Is that $10 or $99?

There is going to be a lot of time and resources in finding potential buyers, negotiating, transferring domains, etc. I can't see it being worth the effort you will be putting in.

Brad
 
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There are people who think just because a domain isn't an ultra premium .com, that the rest are worthless. They even tend to give more weight to a a .com with crappy and awkward keywords than a different extension with excellent keywords that tell exactly what the site is about. Yes end users preffer the .com, but most good .com domains are unobtainable for most groups.

Besides. Who cares if you buy i.e. an OKAY .org domain, which fits a business, at reg fee and manage to sell it for just $xx... Do that over and over again, and you can make $xx money for an hours worth of work finding/researching the domain.

What are your thoughts? Any truth in their beliefs?

Personally I think I'm going to be laughing all the way to the bank with this business model, while they are getting into frustrating bid wars with .com domains for the small cost to them of lots of $$$$$$


Okay. Laugh Your way to the bank.
So do I, too, and many others. What makes You think most End Users prefer .com? What is a Premium domain? Where did You get that information from? What makes You so sure it is correct? Where can one find from what survey Your decision comes? Where can we find the Industry Norm about domains?

You are free in Your beliefs, but I sell my stuff to them who pay what I ask, and not to them who try to get my stuff for almost freel based upon some appraisal. I am 64 and on the Net since 1993. I am well educated about economy and Internet related matter. I have a little website at DotComsOnly.com. I sold and still sell on many platforms. I'm okay and I could do even better.

The thing is that not everybody sees what we have for sale. And even then then people are probably not interested in having it at all. What is Premium for one may be crap for somebody else and vice versa.

This aside, if there would be some interest to get something one person has, people usually want to pay little to nothing to have it. Name this conduct as good business or just greed, but it is built in human nature. People just don't want to pay.

Don't forget the basics of the game: Demand and Supply. All the theories about value of the SLD domain element (descriptive, length) and the TLD element (gTLD, CC) are just how some groups see things. Each and every person has personal needs and desires, and that is so about Internet domains.

The original poster does here nothing more than asking the n-millionth time asked question on the Internet: What is a domain really worth?
Answer: Value is in the eye of the beholder and in the eyes of the ones who desire the item valuated.
Briefly, if You want something, then pay the price.

The appraising industry is non-scientific. Each appraiser has in-house methods, based upon in-house interpretation of statistics. While the numbers of each survey are mostly correct, the interpretation can only be subjective. A number of people accepts appraisals for reasons they know, and a number of people does not believe in appraisals.

There is no way to know if an item will find somebody to pay for it the same price as it was paid for yesterday or today. Yet, the latest price paid for could be easily accepted as nearest to reasonable.

About the Crappy dot com etc. remark I think Crappy is Crappy with any extension, and that good business goes before a brand. It is about ROI rather than about fame. To make money that is.

The Internet has great potentials, and millions of people want to make easy money. On a shoestring, of course, of for free. They are the people who talk about over paying, over pricing, and under pricing, etc. all the time. They are the frustrated and jealous wannabe millionaires that envy people who made a good deal in their life or who just inherited some nice sum.

Who cares about what others earn? It is about our self.
Success!
 
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Okay. Laugh Your way to the bank.
So do I, too, and many others. What makes You think most End Users prefer .com? What is a Premium domain? Where did You get that information from? What makes You so sure it is correct? Where can one find from what survey Your decision comes? Where can we find the Industry Norm about domains?

You are free in Your beliefs, but I sell my stuff to them who pay what I ask, and not to them who try to get my stuff for almost freel based upon some appraisal. I am 64 and on the Net since 1993. I am well educated about economy and Internet related matter. I have a little website at DotComsOnly.com. I sold and still sell on many platforms. I'm okay and I could do even better.

The thing is that not everybody sees what we have for sale. And even then then people are probably not interested in having it at all. What is Premium for one may be crap for somebody else and vice versa.

This aside, if there would be some interest to get something one person has, people usually want to pay little to nothing to have it. Name this conduct as good business or just greed, but it is built in human nature. People just don't want to pay.

Don't forget the basics of the game: Demand and Supply. All the theories about value of the SLD domain element (descriptive, length) and the TLD element (gTLD, CC) are just how some groups see things. Each and every person has personal needs and desires, and that is so about Internet domains.

The original poster does here nothing more than asking the n-millionth time asked question on the Internet: What is a domain really worth?
Answer: Value is in the eye of the beholder and in the eyes of the ones who desire the item valuated.
Briefly, if You want something, then pay the price.

The appraising industry is non-scientific. Each appraiser has in-house methods, based upon in-house interpretation of statistics. While the numbers of each survey are mostly correct, the interpretation can only be subjective. A number of people accepts appraisals for reasons they know, and a number of people does not believe in appraisals.

There is no way to know if an item will find somebody to pay for it the same price as it was paid for yesterday or today. Yet, the latest price paid for could be easily accepted as nearest to reasonable.

About the Crappy dot com etc. remark I think Crappy is Crappy with any extension, and that good business goes before a brand. It is about ROI rather than about fame. To make money that is.

The Internet has great potentials, and millions of people want to make easy money. On a shoestring, of course, of for free. They are the people who talk about over paying, over pricing, and under pricing, etc. all the time. They are the frustrated and jealous wannabe millionaires that envy people who made a good deal in their life or who just inherited some nice sum.

Who cares about what others earn? It is about our self.
Success!

great points and nice to be able to communicate with a veteran!

I see domaining almost like real estate in a way

Lets talk miami for a minute, there are condos for sale there that are water front and condos that are not. The most desirable are the waterfront condos.

Now do non waterfront condos never sell? SURE they do
Are people paying more waterfront? Yes
Will you have more prospects if your condo is water front? yes
Will people be more forgiving about the size and maybe wear and tear on a waterfront property than if it wasn't waterfront? YES
If you are waterfront will the value go up faster than non waterfront? YES
Are there less quality waterfront properties available than non waterfront? YES
Are there people that hate waterfront? YES
Will you create an entire business plan and invest in just non waterfront because you met 2 people that cant stand waterfront? Hopefully not

domaining is the same story, a so so .com domain in a .org extension can possible sell but the chances are way less.

In simple terms, if you have unlimited money buy whatever domains you wish .this and .that .net and hyphen-hyphen.org.

If you do not have unlimited money BUY what has the best chance of selling for a profit. YES YES I know joe schmoe you met a show sold a .whatever for lots of money, and its true too, but do not engage in fantasy unless you have money to burn all day and night. Do what is most probable.
 
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Great domains come in lots of different flavors. Half my portfolio is non-.COM.

But .COM is the top-selling TLD in every possible sense. Investors would be foolish to ignore that fact.

The biggest .COM snobs aren't domainers. They're end-user buyers and the consumers who browse the internet.
 
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.org is good extension, albeit for not any purpose. But I can't say the same about all the other extensions.

The market for domain names is very illiquid,so it's normal that people will focus on the extensions that have at least a remote chance of selling.

Your business model doesn't sound that good to me, maybe because I earn more than that in my (other) day job.

The risk/reward ratio is not attractive because you will have unsold inventory. It's not like every domain is going to sell.
 
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