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Now there was a sales thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/creampied-com-one-word-category-killer.1084102/

And now it's closed, but the info posted makes little sense. Eric said they found the bidder used a shill account, well why wasn't that account name exposed? And why is the member who backed out of the auction not banned but only restricted?

I am sorry more transparency is needed here.
 
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Oh, its very shady place now, we should do our own due diligence before doing any business here.
 
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This auction couldโ€™ve easily went to thousands of dollars. Members that back out of auction sales, buyer or seller, should be immediately banned.
 
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Ray contacted me and asked if i wanted in on this domain name right when there was a bunch of chatter in that sales thread (which was soon deleted). It looked like the auction would get higher pretty fast so i agreed to go in as 1/2 owner.

I have supported NP for a very long time and have always paid for a membership here and really havent needed a membership at all, just did it forever because i have always been happy to give back to the forum which has given me so much.

My feelings have now changed.

This fraudulent scumbag scam artist member who is not honoring the auction and is only getting a slap on the wrist is a slap in the face to me, an established reputable member here.

If this @bigslim piece of $hit is not banned and still has any type of membership here, i want nothing to do with this place anymore because it will always to me, be considered a new breeding ground for other domaining scam artists.

Please delete my account if this @bigslim
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member is not banned.
 
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I can certainly understand everyone's frustration.

The seller's account was restricted from the marketplace, meaning they can no longer access/participate in the marketplace to help ensure the safety of all our members. They also received an unethical business practices infraction, along with account notes so all moderators are aware of their history moving forward.

This was a 2008 member that has never had any unethical business in the past.

Our members safety is very important to me and a #1 priority for NamePros.

Please provide some suggestions on how we can better our policies and procedures.
 
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I get where you are coming from Eric, but what you said he did is actually a crime, forget forum etiquette.
 
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Is this restricted list open to public by any chance?
 
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Who specifically is it up to? You're the admin. The members here and you the admin agree this person should be banned, but somebody doesn't. Who is this somebody? Who actually makes policies/procedures here?
 
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If there is evidence that he violated the rules then just ban the sucker.
I don't care how long he has been here.
 
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Updates after I talked to management:

Thanks to our technology and members, NamePros is one of the safest (If not the safest) place to conduct business in the industry. This was caught on NamePros because of that.

Eric said they found the bidder used a shill account, well why wasn't that account name exposed?
There are privacy laws that have to be taken into consideration, regardless of what we want to do or what information we want to share, those laws trump everything else. There are certain situations in which we can share information but our lawyers decide that, not us.

And why is the member who backed out of the auction not banned but only restricted?
I asked management about this and they explained to me that it is a security measure.

Is this restricted list open to public by any chance?
Do you mean all restricted accounts on NamePros? It is publicly shown under their usernames, yes. As for a list, you can see all restricted members online using the online members page and Ctrl+F "restricted" to highlight them.

Who specifically is it up to?
The management team.

You're the admin.
I am not the admin. You read and "thanked" the post here, so you already know that ;)

The members here and you the admin agree this person should be banned, but somebody doesn't
I have changed my mind after speaking with the management team. My job is helping members and using the tools I'm provided to do my job. I don't have any knowledge of how those tools work unless I ask or it happens to come up like it did here. Now I understand why the policy is the way it is and it makes sense. ;)

If there is evidence that he violated the rules then just ban the sucker.
I don't care how long he has been here.
He's removed from the marketplace, which is the same thing in this case. The discussion forums and marketplace are treated as separate services. What happens on one doesn't necessarily affect the other.
 
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Privacy laws do not pertain to the same user using two different accounts, this makes no sense, and if it was shill account, why wasn't that account closed, there is one account closed in there the $650 bid, I am willing to bet on who another might be from my own research outside here.

Eric you caught nothing I knew last night this deal wasn't getting closed ask @Media Branding Bottom line I care about deals getting done, and not fraudulent auctions, you are taking solace in you eventually exposed the shill account. But nothing for the waste of time of people bidding. And it was caught because I posted here, let's keep it real. If I don't post here, this just goes as another auction.
 
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The management team.

Which is comprised of who?

He's removed from the marketplace, which is the same thing in this case. The discussion forums and marketplace are treated as separate services. What happens on one doesn't necessarily affect the other.

A scammer is a scammer everywhere. So somebody can be restricted from the marketplace but they can participate in discussions here? Or am I reading that wrong? It's 1 forum.
 
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He's removed from the marketplace, which is the same thing in this case. The discussion forums and marketplace are treated as separate services. What happens on one doesn't necessarily affect the other.
How long the ban period?

I have seen one member who was caught by namepros for the same shill bidding but now I can see him again active in buy & sell forum.

If you need name here you go @Isac
 
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Privacy laws do not pertain to the same user using two different accounts
There are many privacy laws and they vary from country to country, and sometimes state to state. I don't know much about them. We have counsel to advise us on these matters, and what they say is final. I hope you understand.

if it was shill account, why wasn't that account closed
In shill bidding, all connected accounts are banned from the marketplace. That's been the policy for years. They don't get a second chance unlike transactions where the buyer or sellers decides they don't want to move forward with the deal, which we give a second chance to if no money or domains were taken.

Eric you caught nothing
I said our technology and members. Members brought this to our attention and we've been working on it since then.

We catch the majority of shill bidding before any member gets involved. We also stop a significant amount of rule violations before they are ever possible. Of course, those never get talked about, only the ones that slip through the cracks. ;) No system is perfect but ours is as safe as it can possibly be given how an open marketplace works.


Which is comprised of who?
Directors, chief officers, etc. I am not going to name names so that members can attack them (Not talking about you, just in general), which I've personally experienced myself. Please stop asking. We deal with a lot of personal attacks for doing our jobs and we don't need to single team members out.

How long the ban period?

I have seen one member who was caught by namepros for the same shill bidding but now I can see him again active in buy & sell forum.

If you need name here you go @Isac
It depends on the situation. If it's flagrant, then forever. With Isac, we never had 100% proof. We had signals/information and decided it was enough to give him a break from the marketplace while we further investigated. After a period of time without any new evidence, his story being plausible, etc., the restriction expires automatically. If it's a flagrant case of fraud and we are 100% positive of it, then the restriction never expires automatically.

A scammer is a scammer everywhere. So somebody can be restricted from the marketplace but they can participate in discussions here? Or am I reading that wrong? It's 1 forum.
We use restrictions to stop them from being able to scam members or violate the rules again. Similarly, a banned scammer on another marketplace can still comment on that company's blog posts (if their comments are open). They're separate services, but we make sure the necessary access is restricted. If we find that the restriction isn't enough, then we further restrict.

Restrictions can be taken all the way to exactly the same as a banned account. The degree of the restriction is shown to all moderators.
 
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Eric, if NP still allows this member to contribute in any way here then the restriction is only a marketplace restriction.

I am asking you up front here. Will this scammer be allowed to write any content here at all, whether in this or that forum? Doesnt matter to me. If this scammer is allowed to add to the post count here anywhere that would be bad since we know this guy is a bad guy.

That makes all the difference to me when thinking about safety and security here.

If he is allowed to keep creating content here in any way, then NP is condoning this behavior imho. Being only restricted from sales threads is of course a given. Its expected but definitely not enough to keep other members here safe from other potential scams from the bad guy.
 
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Eric, if NP still allows this member to contribute in any way here then the restriction is only a marketplace restriction.

I am asking you up front here. Will this scammer be allowed to write any content here at all, whether in this or that forum? Doesnt matter to me. If this scammer is allowed to add to the post count here anywhere that would be bad since we know this guy is a bad guy.

That makes all the difference to me.

If he is allowed to keep creating content here in any way, then NP is condoning this behavior imho. Being only restricted from sales threads is of course a given. Its expected but definitely not enough to keep other members here safe from other potential scams from the bad guy.

I don't think he coming back, in the past when I told people if you do this you will get banned, they told me they didn't care, they were just here for money and creating a new account using another ip not hard.

This guy never coming back in my opinion, he joined 10 years ago to get an appraisal for creampied.com and now his name will be out there in other places that don't protect the privacy of scammers.
 
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Eric, if NP still allows this member to contribute in any way here then the restriction is only a marketplace restriction.
I respect your opinion and thoughts on it. Thanks for sharing them. You may have been typing up your response after I posted mine: https://www.namepros.com/posts/6761562/

Fraud detection and prevention is very complex. It's easy to look at one piece of information and draw inaccurate conclusions because the full picture is missing or unknown. It is our job to take the information available to us, investigate, and make a decision. Our members safety is very important to me and a #1 priority for NamePros. We do our best to keep everyone protected.

When a member is banned from the marketplace, they show "Restricted" under their name to warn members. Their forum posts are restricted to discussion areas where transactions are not allowed. There is also a restriction option to monitor their posts before they are posted, which we use whenever necessary to further block any possibility of them trying to conduct business in discussion forums.

If we believe that anything will pose a security risk, then we further restrict their account.

they were just here for money and creating a new account using another ip not hard.
This does happen but our technology gets better each time and we are able to better catch them. The more data we have, the better we can protect everyone, so with every slip through the cracks, our system gets stronger and stronger. We wish nothing would slip through the cracks, but that's just not possible by any site. We still strive for perfection. :)
 
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Thanks for the response Eric. Running around town now and yes i was typing and editing before seeing your post posted.

Dont like this "restriction" policy at all...
"Their forum posts are restricted to discussion areas where transactions are not allowed"

Looks like NP still wants bad guys to stay so traffic is up and more content is created for the site.

I know this is beyond your control Eric but i still find it ridiculous that a restricted known scammer/bad guy can still add any influential content here at all.
 
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Thanks for the response Eric. Running around town now and yes i was typing and editing before seeing your post posted.

Looks like NP still wants bad guys to stay so traffic is up and more content is created for the site.
I understand, Since you are running around, you may have missed the most important part of why we do this (Which is not traffic related):

It's for security purposes.
 
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