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What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

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HMM this post reads like a nerd convention with all this stat crap lol!
 
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.pizza failed me

I had a vegetarian.pizza ...but it looked better than it tasted

:)


imo...
 
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Yep and can get them on closeouts all day long (biz's, info)
These comparisons have been discussed before, blanketing the new extensions with the same outlook as those past ones. It makes sense to heed, but I don't let it dominate my choices in strong pairings.


and @Joe Nichols you asked for some meat here's mine:

I have about 200 new gTLDs. Average renewals are about $10/year.

My gTLD inquires are not down they are up, this year at about 30. Out of those, about 5 of them being for the same names as previous years. The last four years, my gTLD sales have remained the same, they range from 3-5/year and selling between 1-5k. This year I am at 3 sales, selling between 1-5k. Like Wolf, I tend to reject XXX offers on names that, frankly, I worked hard to acquire so deserve much more. And they will get it. I do have names that are listed for low xxx on my site, have not sold one, ever.

Zero outbound, no third-party marketplace listings. All my work has gone into developing my own showcase site. I believe with a proper foundation, is when you start to expand and explore more aggressively.

I am not driven by past sales results when it comes to new G's. I am driven by strong combinations and what they can do to represent a person or business, whether it be bricks and mortar or online or both. I don't need previous sales data to tell me what to do. My hustle is the love of a good name, no matter the extension. The name's lifespan in my portfolio is based on numerous factors:

- has my outlook on its usage viability changed, regardless of keyword strength?
- is the domain still as strong as I believed it was when I first acquired it?
- am I seeing real-world usage, and if not, why? Can this change? Can I help drive this change?
- will my year-over-year renewal rates be worth eating if the name flops in the end?

Generally I look to the extension itself and its demographic potential/popularity along with brand viability, with renewals playing a large part because I like to have a diverse spread, and having all my capital tied up in $100+ renewals would negatively affect that option. Not to mention I was never a fan of supporting the premium pricing tiers. And as @lolwarrior likes to preach, finding a strong name that you can secure for many years in advance I think is well worth the risk because it really gives the name time to percolate for the right buyer.

My heart and soul has been put into my portfolio site (if you don't already know genuine.domains), I think there is evidence of how a new G can be taken advantage of to represent yourself. If you don't like it than maybe its not your cup of tea, but I recommend keeping an open mind to an evolving world, sometimes people surprise you.

I think all the twists and turns people put onto .coms can get awfully boring and silly, regardless of whether they sell. The names I invest in are names I would stand behind to use for my own. I mean, if we're willing to take risks on regging tens if not hundreds of names in .com that you will end up dropping 99% of them in a year, why not branch out and try something worthwhile that you'll stand behind enough to renew, because you stand behind the name?

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@JB Lions I was disappointed to your hinting at "marketing" as if I'm a chump. Thanks. For clarification, "slow and steady rise" was in reference to usage, ie websites, discussions, etc.

Real world usage in my eyes is a driving force in new Gtlds becoming a more common commodity, not sales data. Why? Because sales data is skewed by domainer to domainer results, and doesn't necessarily equate to an end user footing.
Very well said. And nicely designed website and some great names @HotKey, I think you redesigned it sice I last looked few months ago .. I like the new design a lot! :)
 
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@JB Lions I was disappointed to your hinting at "marketing" as if I'm a chump. Thanks. For clarification, "slow and steady rise" was in reference to usage, ie websites, discussions, etc.

By itself, it is marketing, "something is on the rise", unless it's defined. You said inquiries up but sales "The last four years, my gTLD sales have remained the same" Last 4 years the same, steady, not on the rise.

Let me drill down 2 points, so it's easier. First, go back to Daily Sales, last one:

gTLDs - 262
ccTLDs - 48
New gTLDs - 1 ----------- For something on the rise, this should be more active. There shouldn't be 0, 1, low single digit days. This should be rolling. Look at it.

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Keywords, people keep mentioning "hot keywords"

I picked 2 hot keywords simply because they were hot, meaning there should be activity. Cannabis and Crypto. Again last 200 reported sales, 1 sale. Where is the activity? So I picked a general keyword shoes, I said go ahead and pick whatever you want. Shoes 3 out of the last 100. Where is the activity? Which leads to Henry's post:

3. I guess you read some posts before on NP about top 10 keywords lists for .com and .net. The lists for .com are different from that for .net. So do you think it is fair to put random keywords or hot keywords for .com to evaluate ngtlds? Each new gtld should have its own keyword list. That's why randomly selecting some keywords to evaluate ngtlds is totally worthless. If you want to know which keywords match which ngtlds, you can search for the high ngtld sales in Namebio to get some ideas.

I understand the point you're trying to make, most of these new gtlds are niche extensions, only certain keywords are going to make sense. However, .com is 1 general extension, any keyword can work with it. New gtlds also have some general extensions. .xyx, .online, .website, .site, .gdn, etc. some are iffy but all kinds of general extensions. Still where is that action? The keywords I used, or any one you pick can work with a general new gtld extension. Take shoes, that works with many niche extensions as well, many of them.

And when I pick a keyword, it's not just that keyword, it's that keyword somewhere in the domain. Not just shoes.xzy, you can use the same keywords you find with .com. buyshoes.xyz, basketballshoes.xyz etc.

Where is the action? It's not showing up.
 
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Regarding "general extensions" like .online
"Hot keywords" in .online start from ~$600 and up to ~$30K YEARLY...
Example: LosAngeles.online
 
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One-time premium fee only in .club and .top
In "general extensions" category.
 
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And regarding Daily Sales...
If 95%+ of SELLERS are selling legacy TLDs - then definitely this legacy volume will look like mentioned above.
No surprise here.
 
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And regarding Daily Sales...
If 95%+ of SELLERS are selling legacy TLDs - then definitely this legacy volume will look like mentioned above.
No surprise here.

.COM has about 130M+ registrations.
The new GTLD have about 27M+ registrations.

Statistically there are 20%+ as many new gTLD as .COM in registration volume.
They are far below that in any actual sales metric from sales volume to total dollar amount.

The .COM volume is far higher because there is more actual demand.

Brad
 
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.COM aftermarket is functioning WITHOUT Verisign participation.
No any reservations, no any premium fees yearly. Absolutely open and competitive aftermarket.
And again: we are comparing apples and oranges...
 
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In the last year, according to NameBio.

.COM

90,500 sales
$120M total sales

All new gTLD combined -

949 sales
$3.6M total sales

In the last year, new gTLDs have about 1% of the .COM sales volume and 3% of the total sales, despite having 20%+ of the total registration volume.

Not too impressive.

Brad
 
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I don't look for "impressions"...
If it makes money for me - I do it...
Very simple rule in my life.
 
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I don't look for "impressions"...
If it makes money for me - I do it...
Very simple rule in my life.

Cool. There is a difference between empirical evidence like statistics, and anecdotal evidence such as personal sales on a small scale.

I am profitable with .BIZ. Objectively though, the extension has not done that well.

Brad
 
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I had significant profit only with bulk LLL.BIZ sales during Chinese boom...
And minimal results with .BIZ endusers.
 
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I guess, at least 33% of .COMs are typo and type-in domains...
They are registered just for 1 purpose: to catch traffic...
 
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I guess, at least 33% of .COMs are typo and type-in domains...
They are registered just for 1 purpose: to catch traffic...

That is fine. That is your opinion, which again falls under anecdotal evidence.

I could say that 33% of all new extensions are owned by the registry themselves.
I have no idea if that is anywhere close to true.

The actual reported sales though are empirical evidence. They are what they are.

Brad
 
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In the last year, according to NameBio.

.COM

90,500 sales
$120M total sales

All new gTLD combined -

949 sales
$3.6M total sales

In the last year, new gTLDs have about 1% of the .COM sales volume and 3% of the total sales, despite having 20%+ of the total registration volume.

Not too impressive.

Brad
This is imo apples to oranges comparison.

Why? When someone registers new gTLD domain name with high premium renewal, this is NOT noted as sale in Namebio.

For example: if someone register a domain name with 30k/year renewal (there are some names like that registered afaik), it is actually at least 30k worth of new gTLD sale. If the name gets renewed after 1st year, it is 60k worth of new gTLD sale, etc, etc. Someone simply paid 60k for privilege to have great new gTLD name registered for period of 2 years.

There are thousands of new gTLD names with hign premium renewals registered at the moment - based on how long they stay registered, they should represent various new gTLD sales. This is absolutely missing in sources like Namebio, while this part of money which people are paying for new gTLDs can represent even larger portion of all sales, comparing to what is actually recorded in Namebio as aftermarket new gTLD sales.

So it is much more then 3,6 mil people are investing to new gTLDs. We do not have this mechanism of premium renewals in .com, but for new gTLDs, it is very important to consider it if you want to see whole picture about where the money flows :)
 
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This is imo apples to oranges comparison.

Why? When someone registers new gTLD domain name with high premium renewal, this is NOT noted as sale in Namebio.

For example: if someone register a domain name with 30k/year renewal (there are some names like that registered afaik), it is actually at least 30k worth of new gTLD sale. If the name gets renewed after 1st year, it is 60k worth of new gTLD sale, etc, etc. Someone simply paid 60k for privilege to have great new gTLD name registered for period of 2 years.

There are thousands of new gTLD names with hign premium renewals registered at the moment - based on how long they stay registered, they should represent various new gTLD sales. This is absolutely missing in sources like Namebio, while this part of money which people are paying for new gTLDs can represent even larger portion of all sales, comparing to what is actually recorded in Namebio as aftermarket new gTLD sales.

So it is much more then 3,6 mil people are investing to new gTLDs. We do not have this mechanism of premium renewals in .com, but for new gTLDs, it is very important to consider it if you want to see whole picture about where the money flows :)

Fair enough, but the data is what it is.

The sales of both .COM and new GTLD are judged both in sales volume and total sales.
That is apples to apples.

If anything new extension sales might be over represented when it comes to money flowing to domain investors. Some individual extensions report their premium sales, like .GLOBAL. This is money from the pool not going to domain investors.

Brad
 
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Unless you can produce any objective information that .COM is unused at a far higher rate than new extensions, then it is irrelevant.

Here is some anecdotal evidence. I hardly ever see new extensions advertised anywhere.
I see .COM advertised many times per day.

Since new extensions have 20% of the registration volume you figure they would be all over the place.
Wouldn't you think?

Brad
 
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