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What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

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What nTLDs deleted exactly?
.TOP/.XYZ?
No surprise here, and they are not a benchmark.
 
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The same will be with .icu next year... 80%+ drop rate...
 
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What nTLDs deleted exactly?
.TOP/.XYZ?
No surprise here, and they are not a benchmark.
A crude zonefile comparison of December 2016 zones with the December 2018 zone files:

NGT - 2018
XYZ 94.72%
TOP 95%
WIN 83.04%
WANG 90.17%
CLUB 76.22%
BID 95.87%
LOAN 97.67%
SITE 90.58%
ONLINE 61.64%
VIP 54.43%
LINK 90.33%
REN 72.38%
RED 95.22%
GDN 97.54%
TECH 80.33%
SCIENCE 95.95%
WEBSITE 74.4%
SPACE 74.99%
KIWI 92.67%
TRADE 91.98%

Those were just the top NGTs in December 2016.

Regards...jmcc
 
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The same will be with .icu next year... 80%+ drop rate...
And BUZZ. It has been stuffing the zone with discounted registrations lately.

Regards...jmcc
 
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7 of 13 I sold - .life domains.
And as I see - .life renewal rate is not so bad, it is absent in your list.
 
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7 of 13 I sold - .life domains.
And as I see - .life renewal rate is not so bad, it is absent in your list.
This is a straight zone comparison. LIFE wasn't a top NGT in 2016. There does seem to have been a limited promotion in October -December 2017 and May - July 2018 but otherwise it is around 40% on first renewals for 2018 registrations. That's not bad for a new gTLD.It would be possible to do an exact percentage but it would take longer.

Regards...jmcc
 
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I can say even more, no any Donuts nTLDs in your list, including the mentioned .life
So Donuts performance is the best among all nTLD operators.
 
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I can say even more, no any Donuts nTLDs in your list, including the mentioned .life
So Donuts performance is the best among all nTLD operators.
A lot stronger than some due to its markets and limited discounting in most of its NGTs. Those NGTs tend to be more stable than the heavily discounted ones.

Regards...jmcc
 
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The difference is that the other domain investors have acquired their domain names organically whereas the registries in the new gTLDs have effectively used their position to withhold the "good" domain names from the market. That makes it very much a rigged market rather than the free market that exists with COM. From what I can see with the legacy gTLDs, there are some very worrying indications of consolidation happening and the web usage rates in most of the new gTLDs are not as strong as those of the legacy gTLDs or the ccTLDs. Usage drives development and registrations. Without it, a TLD will begin to stagnate. While some of the new gTLDs have signs of usage, the problem of discounting is seriously affecting some of the top NGTs to such an extent that boom and bust cycles are now a feature of them. I took a look at some of them from December 2016 and checked the deletions compared to December 2017 and December 2018. Some of them were over 80% deleted by December 2017 and over 95% deleted by December 2018. That kind of zone file replacement is only possible with extreme discounting and extreme discounting kills development.

Regards...jmcc

There is no doubt that huge discounts significantly drive up crappy domain name registrations and future deletions by domain investors, but do you have any evidence or statistics to show that huge discounts kill web usage?
 
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There is no doubt that huge discounts significantly drive up crappy domain name registrations and future deletions by domain investors, but do you have any evidence or statistics to show that huge discounts kill web usage?
Yes.

Regards...jmcc
 
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I only had one, but oh boy did it fail me: .fail
 
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Then please show us the evidence or statistics.
The figures are the percentage for each category of usage. They are simplified categories as the full usage category has 28 different types of usage. Templated Content covers PPC landers, sales pages and affiliate landers. No Content covers holding pages, no site response and domain names without websites. The NGTs are all full zone surveys.

NGT - Content - Templated Content - Redirects - No Content
LIFE: 3.84 - 27.39 - 20.82 - 47.96 (HTTPS redirects 7.78%)
ACCOUNTANT: 0.43 - 2.58 - 1.86 - 95.14 (HTTPS redirects 0.41%)
LOAN: 0.11 - 3.40 - 1.06 - 95.43 (HTTPS redirects 0.14%)

For COM on a 1.5 million domain name survey:
COM 14.82 - 27.62 - 27.20 - 30.37 (HTTPS redirects 10.06%)

The HTTPS redirects percentage is part of the Redirects percentage but it is a good indicator of activity in a TLD.

Regards...jmcc
 
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The figures are the percentage for each category of usage. They are simplified categories as the full usage category has 28 different types of usage. Templated Content covers PPC landers, sales pages and affiliate landers. No Content covers holding pages, no site response and domain names without websites. The NGTs are all full zone surveys.

NGT - Content - Templated Content - Redirects - No Content
LIFE: 3.84 - 27.39 - 20.82 - 47.96 (HTTPS redirects 7.78%)
ACCOUNTANT: 0.43 - 2.58 - 1.86 - 95.14 (HTTPS redirects 0.41%)
LOAN: 0.11 - 3.40 - 1.06 - 95.43 (HTTPS redirects 0.14%)

For COM on a 1.5 million domain name survey:
COM 14.82 - 27.62 - 27.20 - 30.37 (HTTPS redirects 10.06%)

The HTTPS redirects percentage is part of the Redirects percentage but it is a good indicator of activity in a TLD.

Regards...jmcc

Thanks for your info. However, from the data you provided, how do you conclude that huge discounts kill web usage? Do the data cover the huge discount period? Can you share the data before and after huge discounts for easy comparison? Thank you.
 
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Thanks for your info. However, from the data you provided, how do you conclude that huge discounts kill web usage? Do the data cover the huge discount period? Can you share the data before and after huge discounts for easy comparison? Thank you.
I'd have to dig up the data but discounted registrations swamp developed websites (Content). They also attract the wrong kind of registrations such as Adult affiliate landers and gambling landers. This gets the discounted gTLD a bad reputation. Then there's the problem of spammers using discounted registrations as disposable domain names for spamming. There is also one constant: discounted registrations rarely have developed websites and delete when they have to be renewed at full fee.

When you see a gTLD with a few hundred developed websites and a million adult affiliate/gambling affiliate landers on discounted registrations, it is not a healthy gTLD in web usage terms.

Regards...jmcc
 
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I'd have to dig up the data but discounted registrations swamp developed websites (Content). They also attract the wrong kind of registrations such as Adult affiliate landers and gambling landers. This gets the discounted gTLD a bad reputation. Then there's the problem of spammers using discounted registrations as disposable domain names for spamming. There is also one constant: discounted registrations rarely have developed websites and delete when they have to be renewed at full fee.

When you see a gTLD with a few hundred developed websites and a million adult affiliate/gambling affiliate landers on discounted registrations, it is not a healthy gTLD in web usage terms.

Regards...jmcc

I agree that huge discounts attract improper uses of discounted gTLDs, but what is the chance of internet users visiting adult affiliate/gambling affiliate landers that use discounted gTLDs or receiving spams that use discounted gTLDs in their daily life?

Adult affiliate landers, gambling landers and spamming are much more serious in .com in terms of amount, which means internet users visit these kinds of .com landers and receive .com spams more easily than other gTLDs (all spams I have received in recent years are .com). While most of the bad landers and spams use .com, it does not make .com a very bad reputation and .com still has many developed websites.

Besides, do you have any statistics that show how many discounted registrations are used for adult affiliate/gambling affiliate landers and spamming? If the improper uses only count for a small portion of discounted registrations, it does not affect reputation much and the discounted gTLD is still healthy.
 
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I agree that huge discounts attract improper uses of discounted gTLDs, but what is the chance of internet users visiting adult affiliate/gambling affiliate landers that use discounted gTLDs or receiving spams that use discounted gTLDs in their daily life?
For e-mail spam, many of the new gTLDs have continually featured in the Spamhaus list.
https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/

Some mailserver administrators block the new gTLDs completely. As for webspam, the ACCOUNTANT NGT was a good example of the risks of landing on an affiliate site rather than a developed site. After a few years, the content percentage completely faded.

Adult affiliate landers, gambling landers and spamming are much more serious in .com in terms of amount, which means internet users visit these kinds of .com landers and receive .com spams more easily than other gTLDs (all spams I have received in recent years are .com).
Webspam is driven by economics. The lower priced registration makes large networks of such webspam financially feasible. With COM, the registration fee acts as a deterrent and this kind of webspam is much lower as a percentage. This is also why the affiliate landers percentage is lower in the more expensive new gTLDs.

While most of the bad landers and spams use .com, it does not make .com a very bad reputation and .com still has many developed websites.
Your assumptions about COM are not based on data or an understanding of web usage. COM has genuine usage and global recognition.

Besides, do you have any statistics that show how many discounted registrations are used for adult affiliate/gambling affiliate landers and spamming? If the improper uses only count for a small portion of discounted registrations, it does not affect reputation much and the discounted gTLD is still healthy.
From December 2018 survey, 1,075,557 LOAN domain names were adult affiliate landers and 38,013 were gambling landers. Only 2,118 were active sites. The September 2018 data showed 1,325,799 adult affiliate landers and 38,980 gambling affliate landers.

Limited discounting in a healthy gTLD is fine and a small percentage of these will renew. Where discounting becomes the business model for the registry, the gTLD is in trouble and what happens is that almost the entire zone file will be deleted and replaced over the course of a year. That is a very bad thing for a gTLD. It kills the resale value of domain names.

Discounting also alters the dynamics of the discounted gTLD. Most of the discounting is targeted at the Chinese market and that's a volatile market in terms of registrations. Prior to the discounting, the gTLD may have a number of registrations spread over a large number of registrars and countries. Discounting changes the country shares of the gTLD and the gTLD begins to take on the registration characteristics of the largest registrars. They drive the new registrations and because the discounted registrations do not renew well, the renewal rates for the gTLD drop. That makes the gTLD toxic to retail registrars. They are focused on gaining customers who will continue to renew domain names. Having a gTLD dominated by discounters is a very bad thing for the credibility of the gTLD.

Regards...jmcc
 
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For e-mail spam, many of the new gTLDs have continually featured in the Spamhaus list.
https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/

Some mailserver administrators block the new gTLDs completely. As for webspam, the ACCOUNTANT NGT was a good example of the risks of landing on an affiliate site rather than a developed site. After a few years, the content percentage completely faded.
I am not shocked that many new gTLDs are on the worst 10 list because there are over 1,000 extensions categorized into new gTLDs. Similarly, I am also not surprised that many new gTLDs are on the best 10 list.

I think blocking the new gTLDs completely is not the mainstream practice in the industry. As for .accountant, I am not aware of this extension. Did it have huge discount period before?

Webspam is driven by economics. The lower priced registration makes large networks of such webspam financially feasible. With COM, the registration fee acts as a deterrent and this kind of webspam is much lower as a percentage. This is also why the affiliate landers percentage is lower in the more expensive new gTLDs.

Your assumptions about COM are not based on data or an understanding of web usage. COM has genuine usage and global recognition.

You better provide the statistics for .xyz (also the source of the statistics) because people can buy a .xyz domain at $2 currently. It is one of the cheapest and most financially feasible extensions to spammers. If the percentage of .xyz affiliate landers is very high, then your argument is valid. By the way, .xyz (7.3% bad, score 0.68) is not on the worst 10 Spamhaus list, far from being on the list.

Though .com web spam is lower than some ngTLD web spam in percentage, the total number of registered .com is very high that results in much larger amount of web spams and much greater impact than ngTLD web spams:

As of Jun 30, there were 142.5 million registered .com (https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ws-354.7-Million-Domain-Registrations-Quarter) with your provided 27.62% of .com templated content data (assuming similar percentage as of Jun 30), the number of templated content (around 39 million) was already more than the total number of registered ngTLDs (around 25 million, https://ntldstats.com/tld). So it is reasonable to deduce that most of the bad landers and spams use .com. Additionally, from our own experience, are most of the improper web uses that we encountered (affiliate landers and email spams) in recent years were .com? For me, yes.

From December 2018 survey, 1,075,557 LOAN domain names were adult affiliate landers and 38,013 were gambling landers. Only 2,118 were active sites. The September 2018 data showed 1,325,799 adult affiliate landers and 38,980 gambling affliate landers.

It would be much appreciated if you can provide the source of the data. I think many NP members would like to get more related data from the source.

Limited discounting in a healthy gTLD is fine and a small percentage of these will renew. Where discounting becomes the business model for the registry, the gTLD is in trouble and what happens is that almost the entire zone file will be deleted and replaced over the course of a year. That is a very bad thing for a gTLD. It kills the resale value of domain names.

Discounting also alters the dynamics of the discounted gTLD. Most of the discounting is targeted at the Chinese market and that's a volatile market in terms of registrations. Prior to the discounting, the gTLD may have a number of registrations spread over a large number of registrars and countries. Discounting changes the country shares of the gTLD and the gTLD begins to take on the registration characteristics of the largest registrars. They drive the new registrations and because the discounted registrations do not renew well, the renewal rates for the gTLD drop. That makes the gTLD toxic to retail registrars. They are focused on gaining customers who will continue to renew domain names. Having a gTLD dominated by discounters is a very bad thing for the credibility of the gTLD.

I think resale values are driven by domains' intrinsic values, demand and supply of similar domains. Not zone files and number of registrations.

It is completely not related to credibility as there are no lies and frauds involved. There are just normal market transactions that sellers sell at discount and buyers agree to buy at discount. Beside, while registrars lose renewals, they have new registrations at the same time if they continue discount period. It may not be so toxic to registrars. If new registrations exceed lost renewals, registrars may have a gain. But this business model loses investors' confidence continuously year by year if there are too few market sales and developed websites. So promotion to end users is needed during discount period to have more market sales and developed websites. If promotion is successful, the gTLD will be successful. Huge discounting can provide time to promote while maintaining registrations, so it is not wise to easily say that huge discounting kills a gTLD.

Country shares of gTLD are only relevant in promotion strategy and selling strategy, nothing related to failure of a gTLD.
 
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I think blocking the new gTLDs completely is not the mainstream practice in the industry.
Some sysadmins do block the new gTLDs.

As for .accountant, I am not aware of this extension. Did it have huge discount period before?
Found it difficult to gain market share before discounting.
https://namestat.org/accountant

You better provide the statistics for .xyz (also the source of the statistics) because people can buy a .xyz domain at $2 currently.
These are entire zone file surveys of the new gTLDs.
XYZ had 5.59% Content, 18.12% Templated, 15.05% Redirects and 61.25% No content.
73,919 were affiliate landers (3.41%) and 127,276 were adult affiliate landers (5.87%). (August 2019 survey.)

It is one of the cheapest and most financially feasible extensions to spammers. If the percentage of .xyz affiliate landers is very high, then your argument is valid. By the way, .xyz (7.3% bad, score 0.68) is not on the worst 10 Spamhaus list, far from being on the list.
Spammers always target the lowest cost registrations first and $2 is still expensive when others are selling it below $1. This isn't some college debate. These are the facts and measurements of web usage activity in gTLDs. Templated content includes PPC landers, Sales landers and affiliate landers.

So it is reasonable to deduce that most of the bad landers and spams use .com.
It is not.

Additionally, from our own experience, are most of the improper web uses that we encountered (affiliate landers and email spams) in recent years were .com? For me, yes.
As I said, your assumptions are not backed by data. When the new gTLDs started discounting, a lot of the spam and webspam activity shifted from COM and the legacy gTLDs to the discounting new gTLDs.

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sadag-final-09aug17-en.pdf

It would be much appreciated if you can provide the source of the data.
I run these usage surveys. The source of the data is full zone file new gTLDs web usage surveys.

I think resale values are driven by domains' intrinsic values, demand and supply of similar domains. Not zone files and number of registrations.
Zone file numbers are not a reliable metric due to discounting.

Beside, while registrars lose renewals, they have new registrations at the same time if they continue discount period.
Heavy discounting locks a TLD into a boom and bust cycle where the registry is dependent on the next discounting offer to cover the deletions from the last one.

But this business model loses investors' confidence continuously year by year if there are too few market sales and developed websites.
http://domainincite.com/23284-famous-four-is-dead-new-registry-promises-spam-crackdown

Country shares of gTLD are only relevant in promotion strategy and selling strategy, nothing related to failure of a gTLD.
The country shares of a gTLD matter more than you think. A group of registrations from some countries will renew better than registrations from countries with more volatile markets. It is simple economics. Renewals follow the economics of the dominant markets in a gTLD. Thinking that a gTLD has a single global market misses this important point. A gTLD market is not generally one global market. It is a set of country level markets with a smaller global market.

Regards...jmcc
 
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