domain What do you think about my new gTLD domain? Advice thread.

[Brands.International]

In this thread, I will give you my opinion about your submitted new gTLD domain name.

I will focus not only on its numerical appraisal, but also will take other factors into consideration (mainly renewal fee and what you do with the name, where it is presented, etc), to debate whether it is a good investment choice (in my opinion). Just because I am a new gTLD investor it does not mean that I will give good opinion on crappy names - so I will tell you when I see no value or potential. To see examples of new gTLD domain names I personally invest in, you can check my website www.brands.international.

Rules:
1. Only 1 new gTLD domain name can be submitted daily per 1 Namepros user.
2. This thread is related to new gTLD domain names only - I can not give you my opinion about .com, .net, org or ccTLD names like .de or .co.uk names, as I do not have enough direct experience with them.
3. I am not responsible for any damages related to my advice - it is only my personal opinion, although I will really try my best to give reasonable, and well-balanced opinion.
4. You can submit only domain name you personally own.
5. For security and privacy purposes, all names submitted and discussed in replies must be in
keyword(s) / gTLD extension format (for example royal / estate, or bestgames / online)
6. Comments/opinions/appraisals from other members on any name submitted here are very welcome ​

 

[Mr.company]

 

[namemarket]

@droned....and can sell anywhere (or should imo, based on quality of the name) between 8k-40k. The range is large, but it really depends on negotiation skills of the seller, and how much buyer will want it. The number of buyers is almost unlimited (the name will not offend any of tens of thousands of real estate agents or agencies in USA). So conclusion : based on how fast you want to sell, price it like 5k (in case you want to sell quickly, plus do some outbound in this case), or price it defensively as 40k and wait few years for your buyer. My personal feeling is that this should go for 20k in 2019, but I can not really back it up with hard data, as data set of reported sales is very small in namebio - this extension has only 5 years of history, as it started in 2014. Amazing domain name!!! GL

Is this about usa.estate? I may be wrong but don't see high value and would value it in 3-figures. USA.realestate would be very nice but not usa.estate which does not appear to be that related to real estate and doubt many Realtors would want it. When I first saw the name I was thinking about estate planning.

In addition, I seriously doubt "it really depends on negotiation skills of the seller" as you said. IMO, negotiating skills have almost nothing to do with a name selling. It's based on the buyer wanting the name and its price. I never sold a domain where I thought the brokerage or myself did it by skill.

 

[Vatsal Patel]

Success // guru

 

[ivey]

buy.lease

 

[namemarket]

...I seriously doubt "it really depends on negotiation skills of the seller" as you said. IMO, negotiating skills have almost nothing to do with a name selling. It's based on the buyer wanting the name and its price. I never sold a domain where I thought the brokerage or myself did it by skill.

I may have misunderstood, to clarify, yes of course negotiating skill can sometimes get you a better price to a degree but not the sale itself. Either the buyer is serious and he wants it assuming buyers expectation is somewhere within your sales range or he does not buy it at all regardless of the brokers or sellers skill.

Don't see how skill can make a difference between 8k-40k which extremely high price I think lolwarrior values usa.estate at.

 

[The Durfer]

Pot.international

 

[Brands.International]

Crowd. Finance

@platey I like crowd / finance, it is a nice combo

The domain seems to have premium renewal attached to it, which is approx. USD 80 at many registrars.

It was first registered 5 years ago in 2014, and that person had it for all this time .. obviously it was worth for them to pay this renewal. It dropped recently and you was lucky to get it 4 days ago.

Now regarding value : when I check namebio, I see that pretty good names were sold for mid XXX - 1,5k for this extension, while I am also sure they were almost solely domainer purchases - like auto / finance for USD 667 at Dynadot in 2018, that would be (most probably, I have no time to check more now) their expired domains section thing.

So good names in this extension will be probably around mid XXX in 2019 when we speak WHOLESALE value.

Now if you sell it to end user, that would probably bring something like 5k-10k for right one with STR 1% for any given year for this price range...this is just my wild guesstimate, as we do not have enought data in this point of time, it is still very early. It can be 3k, it can be 50k or more (very very small probability thought for 50k)...this type of name is pretty unique, and difficult to appraise exactly - I believe it very much depends on the seller, not only on the willing buyer.

The great thing is that I simply do not see many close alternatives to your name (you can not easily replace this new gTLD extension by another new gTLD extension without loosing semantic connection between lef and right side of the dot), and that is always a great news when it comes to value.

But your renewal is 80 USD / year...I think that STR for portfolio of this quality would be 1% atm for any given year for price range 5k-10k, so you would need to sell at least for 8k to be even (on average with this type of names). This is probably realistic, but even in this case, this investment is only so-so...as your projected yearly profit would be equal to your yearly renewal fee payment.

Personally, I like to get names (not easy task of course) when it is 10x-100x in my favour (so my projected yearly profit is 10x-100x more then my yearly cost I need to pay). This can usually be achieved when renewal fees are very low (few dollars).

So, math is so-so, but I still think it is an amazing name per se! GL

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[Brands.International]

@leadnetwork fax / tax domain name is domain name nice rhyme But I have my doubts about the resell value of it. First of all, fax machines are bit from old times, and to fax our tax, well, this is not going to work in most of modern world (think email, blockchain..so I see faxes as little outdated).

But it is catchy, I see it as new gTLD brandable, and if someone likes it, sure they can pay lets say 2k for it.

It was first registered in July 2017, while .tax is in GA (general availability) since August 2014 (so this means it took 3 years for someone to notice this combo....usually, all good terms in various new gTLD extensions are (were) registered in day 1 or 2, during so called EAP days). So this further supports the notion that it is not an obvious first choice for most.

Standard renewal for .tax is around USD 33 at many registrars. Which means that even when we consider resell value of 2k with STR 1% for any given year, this is still not in favour of you as an domain investor (projected yearly profit is USD 20, while yearly renewal is USD 33). Of course, you can sell it also for 3,3k, in which case this will be even, but that still does not make that an winner investment, imo.

This is all just imo. The name is unique, it has symetry, and it is a catchy rhyme, so who knows, maybe someone would like to pay even higher value for it, comparing to what I guesstimated. So I would test it, and see if there is an action/inquiries during first year of holding. Also I would do a little oubound for this type of name, if that would be mine.

GL

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[Brands.International]

Thanks lolwarrior. I am new and only going for .com but just got two .today for a change. The another one is

Coinify / today

Do suggest about this one too.

@MHExplorer you are very welcome Regarding your name Coinify / today, I feel basically 0.0 chances of any resell of this name.

Reason are:
1) TM isssue
2. Number of available alternatives in new gTLD space is enormous (put word "Coinify" in Uniregistry search box field, and you will understand what I mean when you see all those available alternatives)

Above 2 issues mean that you have basically no leverage when it comes to selling of your domain name. If you are just starting with new gTLDs, you can read through this appraisal thread, it will be soon much more clear what I mean. And also many articles on Namepros are extremely helpful.

GL

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[Brands.International]

biometric / camera ?

I remember I appraised this one already

 

[platey]

Face.gallery

 

[platey]

@platey I like crowd / finance, it is a nice combo

The domain seems to have premium renewal attached to it, which is approx. USD 80 at many registrars.

It was first registered 5 years ago in 2014, and that person had it for all this time .. obviously it was worth for them to pay this renewal. It dropped recently and you was lucky to get it 4 days ago.

Now regarding value : when I check namebio, I see that pretty good names were sold for mid XXX - 1,5k for this extension, while I am also sure they were almost solely domainer purchases - like auto / finance for USD 667 at Dynadot in 2018, that would be (most probably, I have no time to check more now) their expired domains section thing.

So good names in this extension will be probably around mid XXX in 2019 when we speak WHOLESALE value.

Now if you sell it to end user, that would probably bring something like 5k-10k for right one with STR 1% for any given year for this price range...this is just my wild guesstimate, as we do not have enought data in this point of time, it is still very early. It can be 3k, it can be 50k or more (very very small probability thought for 50k)...this type of name is pretty unique, and difficult to appraise exactly - I believe it very much depends on the seller, not only on the willing buyer.

The great thing is that I simply do not see many close alternatives to your name (you can not easily replace this new gTLD extension by another new gTLD extension without loosing semantic connection between lef and right side of the dot), and that is always a great news when it comes to value.

But your renewal is 80 USD / year...I think that STR for portfolio of this quality would be 1% atm for any given year for price range 5k-10k, so you would need to sell at least for 8k to be even (on average with this type of names). This is probably realistic, but even in this case, this investment is only so-so...as your projected yearly profit would be equal to your yearly renewal fee payment.

Personally, I like to get names (not easy task of course) when it is 10x-100x in my favour (so my projected yearly profit is 10x-100x more then my yearly cost I need to pay). This can usually be achieved when renewal fees are very low (few dollars).

So, math is so-so, but I still think it is an amazing name per se! GL

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Great analysis of my crowd. Finance I gtld

I didn't know it was owned before but very interesting to know tho

How do I find our that data Eg which website etc

As I know nothing about the history of who owned my domain names before me etc but I find the data side interesting especially if a large company owned a domain I own before me

 

[syed kashif shah]

what is value of biz.auction .

 

[The Durfer]

Dat.city

 

[Brands.International]

Riverboat / casino

@wesley sweatman your domain name riverboat / casino represents actual type of casino, which is nice

It was first registered in Jun 2015 by someone who holded it for several years.then it was dropped, then you got it few days ago.

When it comes to popularity of the string itself, "riverboatcasino" is registered in .com, .net, .org and .info. This string is stil available in .co or .me and many others, which indicates it is not overly strong. None of registered domain names are developed, so probably domainer's holdings (I can be wrong, would be too time consuming to check deeper).

It is interesting to note that .casino has quite a lot reported sales, from what I have seen in namebio it seems to me that your name can sell in range of 3k-8k (with STR 1% per any given year) in 2019, if that sells to one of those endusers who actually operates this type of casino. Can be much more, can be much less, but this is range where similar quality of names sells atm.

It seems that domain has standard renewal attached to it, which is around 110 USD / year at many registrars, afaik. If the data above hold, it means that your projected yearly profit would be in range of 30-80, while your yearly renewal fee is 110 USD.

This would also mean that chances are strongly against you.

GL

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[Brands.International]

Hi,
I'am a newbie in domain. I think as a long term investment for that domains.
Many companies are developing Quantum Computing. Who knows? Maybe the next generation will have Quantum Computer at home ?. What do you think ?

QuantumComputer / Store
QuantumComputing / Shop

(sorry to submit 2 domains in the same day, but i think they are related to each other)

Have a good day.
Thank you

@lucasprad those are interested domain names. Well, we actually have .computer new gTLD extension, and there is the name quantum.computer which actually exists and can be accessed. It is super cool new gTLD domain name with very high value, imo.

Now your domain names, QuantumComputer / Store and QuantumComputing / Shop are not bad, but I think they are too futuristic and too long. So you would need to pay renewals years into future, when actually quantum computers are more massive thing. This is the first negative.

What is much more important now and plays against your names is number of availble alternatives in new gTLD space. Read through this thread to understand what does it mean exactly. In short I will repeat here that you can visit Uniregistry.com, and put your string "QuantumComputer" or "QuantumComputing" and see that dozens of available alternatives are there, most of them for USD 1,9 initial registration fee.

If you can get something like QuantumComputer in .site, .website or .live or .tech or .space, for few USD (all those goes very well with the string, while they have sligtly different meaning), what leverage you would have to sell the same string in .store or .shop? Very very small, imo.

So I think someone might pay for those names something like 500 if they like it very much, but most probably they will just choose the same string with different new gTLD extension, for USD 1,9.

So your names are too long, futuristic (aka : lot of renewals), and with lot of available alternatives - this does not make then good investment at all - just my personal opinion, and I can be wrong of course.
I would experiment during first year, and if no action and no demand, consider whether they are worth to keep.

GL

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[lucasprad]

@lolwarrior

Great !!!

Thank you for the advice and the time spent for it.
I will see how it goes this year then i will decide what i will do.

Have a good day

 

[bmugford]

Is this about usa.estate? I may be wrong but don't see high value and would value it in 3-figures. USA.realestate would be very nice but not usa.estate which does not appear to be that related to real estate and doubt many Realtors would want it. When I first saw the name I was thinking about estate planning.

In addition, I seriously doubt "it really depends on negotiation skills of the seller" as you said. IMO, negotiating skills have almost nothing to do with a name selling. It's based on the buyer wanting the name and its price. I never sold a domain where I thought the brokerage or myself did it by skill.

I agree with this. "Estate" is not really used as a stand alone term in the field outside "real estate" in the USA.

It is used more in a terms like "estate planning" or "estate sale".

It is also very broad. People who deal in real estate specialize in areas.

Additionally, negotiation only matters if you are getting interest. You can be the best negotiator in the world, but if there is nothing to negotiate it is meaningless.

Brad

 

[Brands.International]

@lolwarrior

Great !!!

Thank you for the advice and the time spent for it.
I will see how it goes this year then i will decide what i will do.

Have a good day

You are very welcome

 

[Brands.International]

Hi

tweak / cloud

thanks

@info24 your domain name tweak / cloud does not have much chances, imo. If that sells, it can be 2k-3k imo, but probabilities are close to 0, as the keyword is very specific and there are only few end users for this one worldwide.

Also, quick google search shows some companies which are having products named like this...it would require lenghty TM search to see whether TMs are indeed in place and in which juridictions with what effective dates, but honestly, my intuition tells me that probability you will sell it to someone is very very small.

So, best way to approach this is to put BIN 1,9k - 2,9k to it, put it to a some nice lander, experiment for a year, if no interest, no traffic, etc, consider whether it is worth to renew it. Just my personal opinion, I can be wrong of course.

In general, it is best to registrer new gTLDs with very wide worldwide appeal (something like data / cloud, which of course is pretty expensive name (atm unregistered), so I just use it as an example - the trick for domain investor is to get great name with worldwide appeal, but with as low renewal as possible. Wide appeal means more end users, and that will accellerate possible sales.)

GL

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[Brands.International]

"airlines(dot)international" ....Could you please appraise this domain as well?

@SHOVON I like the name airlines / international, as I myself operate from .international new gTLD extension, so there is an obvious connection to this extension from my pov, while keyword is also good

What I do not like here so much is a math. It seems this name has premium renewal attached to it, which si around USD 80 at many registrars (correct me if this is wrong assumption).

This is type of name which will imo sell with STR 1% in range of 4k-8k in 2019. There are not so many reported sales in .international, but .global registry is doing very good job with reporting their sales, and if you study them, you will see when this range is coming from.

I personally find .global and .international as "close alternatives" when it comes to extensions in new gTLD space (meaning I can put the same keyword in front of .international and .global, and it will usually have very similar semantic context). It is only my personal opinion, others might differ from it. But for evaluation purposes when we have lack of data I guess this might be sufficient.

When it comes to math, you will be paying yearly renewal of USD 80, while your expected projected profit in 2019 prices is 40-80 (calculated as STR*EstimatedPrice range). So from math point of view, this is not exactly in your favour. But the name is really nice, and imo you can turn over the math in your favour by intensive outbound for it, to relevant end users. But if you let it just sit parked, I think (at least in this point of time) it would not perform so well in your favour, at least from statistical point of view.

GL

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[Brands.International]

@leadnetwork I will be quite quick here: your domain name usa / recipes can be sold imo in range of 600k-2,5k in 2019, with STR 1%.

The standard renewal for .recipes is around USD 35 at many registrars. I think that from statistic pov, math is slightly against you as an domain investor here: projected yearly profit is in range USD 6-25, while your yearly renewal is USD 35 / year.

The good think about this domain name is that .recipes is quite specific, so we do not have much of alternative for it in new gTLD space (meaning: if someone like your domain name, there are not dozens of alternatives in different extensions for your keyword, holding the same semantic context).

But ...although I like the domain name from semantic point of view, I am not impressed by the profitability math behind it (softly said). Just my personal opinion, and I can be wrong.

GL

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[4pm]

FYI

usa recipes.com was once sold for $245 (2008-05-28 GoDaddy)

now owned by BuyDomains (they handregged it in 2011 after it was dropped)
they also selling US recipes.com
asking $4,288 each

the only geo + recipes names reported sold over $1,000 are:

- caribbean $3,300 2009
- german $2,055 2005
- italian (.net) $1,088 2010

..so american.recipes would of probably been better but you are late
i would even question if "usa recipes" makes any sense

googling "usa recipes" brings next to nothing useful or promising from a domaining pov

top 10 "recipes" sales:

bestrecipes.com    45,000 USD    2012-01-31 
pressurecookerrecipes.com    39,600 USD    2017-04-27 
smoothierecipes.com    35,000 USD    2014-09-03 
drinkrecipes.com    35,000 USD    2008-02-13 
cookierecipes.com    19,999 USD    2015-10-12 
chickenrecipes.com    19,000 USD    2008-11-11 
homemaderecipes.com    15,000 USD    2014-09-03 
potatorecipes.com    14,965 USD    2017-09-05 
marijuanarecipes.com    10,000 USD    2014-09-03 
dogfoodrecipes.com 10,000 USD 2012-02-10

all corresponding .recipes are taken including
pressurecooker.recipes

The TLD went public on 05 March 2014
To this moment ~5,800 names regged
4 reported sales in 5 years (only 1 above $1,000, no geo's)

bread.recipes 3,000 USD 2018-02-22 Sedo
x.recipes 600 USD 2016-09-07 Flippa
secret.recipes 627 USD 2016-01-21 NameJet
fish.recipes 400 USD 2015-12-04 Uniregistry

i wonder where you guys get those STR 1% for each and every nTLD from?
why will a TLD with 4 sales for the past 5 years start making solid even for a mid-quality .com portfolio 1% sell throu stats in the next 5 years?
- that's not how it works in a real world i'm afraid. i get it not...

us(a)recipes .org/net/info are all avail
which also indicates that the combo is not hugely popular to put it mildly
for example, fish recipes taken in .com, net, org, info, co.uk, co


..and finally:

US.recipes is avail for ~$80
at least that's what i'm shown at Dynadot, Godaddy and Uniregistry
[ Q: what does it tell you about current USA version value? ]

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based on the above i would value the name at reg fee at best
along with its .com counterpart (sorry BuyDomains)



best

 

[Mr.company]

disagree,but we all have an opinion and view,and i respect that.

 

[NickB]

FYI

usa recipes.com was once sold for $245 (2008-05-28 GoDaddy)

now owned by BuyDomains (they handregged it in 2011 after it was dropped)
they also selling US recipes.com
asking $4,288 each

the only geo + recipes names reported sold over $1,000 are:

- caribbean $3,300 2009
- german $2,055 2005
- italian (.net) $1,088 2010

..so american.recipes would of probably been better but you are late
i would even question if "usa recipes" makes any sense

googling "usa recipes" brings next to nothing useful or promising from a domaining pov

top 10 "recipes" sales:

bestrecipes.com    45,000 USD    2012-01-31
pressurecookerrecipes.com    39,600 USD    2017-04-27
smoothierecipes.com    35,000 USD    2014-09-03
drinkrecipes.com    35,000 USD    2008-02-13
cookierecipes.com    19,999 USD    2015-10-12
chickenrecipes.com    19,000 USD    2008-11-11
homemaderecipes.com    15,000 USD    2014-09-03
potatorecipes.com    14,965 USD    2017-09-05
marijuanarecipes.com    10,000 USD    2014-09-03
dogfoodrecipes.com 10,000 USD 2012-02-10

all corresponding .recipes are taken including
pressurecooker.recipes

The TLD went public on 05 March 2014
To this moment ~5,800 names regged
4 reported sales in 5 years (only 1 above $1,000, no geo's)

bread.recipes 3,000 USD 2018-02-22 Sedo
x.recipes 600 USD 2016-09-07 Flippa
secret.recipes 627 USD 2016-01-21 NameJet
fish.recipes 400 USD 2015-12-04 Uniregistry

i wonder where you guys get those STR 1% for each and every nTLD from?
why will a TLD with 4 sales for the past 5 years start making solid even for a mid-quality .com portfolio 1% sell throu stats in the next 5 years?
- that's not how it works in a real world i'm afraid. i get it not...

us(a)recipes .org/net/info are all avail
which also indicates that the combo is not hugely popular to put it mildly
for example, fish recipes taken in .com, net, org, info, co.uk, co


..and finally:

US.recipes is avail for ~$80
at least that's what i'm shown at Dynadot, Godaddy and Uniregistry
[ Q: what does it tell you about current USA version value? ]

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based on the above i would value the name at reg fee at best
along with its .com counterpart (sorry BuyDomains)



best

Very nice breakdown of the facts, thank you for putting in the time and effort to do so......

I think it is important to get a balanced view on any appraisal, not everyone will agree but it shows both sides of the coin, so to speak.........