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I just thought if we could ever make it in domaining and if we could.... how could we? Can we really be a success? So many broken hearts.. so many broken families,....... which way do we go? Can we make it? And with which company? We WILL bring justice for NOW ...and for our lifetme and bring happiness back ...forever...

If you feel your income has been hit...if you feel that your life has changed...lets talk?...

Can we just say a YES? Maybe just by a post even if we are making thousands of dollars a day... or maybe just 2 bucks a day or lesser..can we stand for our lives or decide our lives will be made by parking companies...or Yahoo or Google..

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Dude holding hands won't make anyone more money. If you aren't happy with your parking company shop around. There is lots of competition.
 
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Varon said:
How sure are you that your current parking company won't pull the rug under your feet when you are so confident as now? How sure are you, wherever you are, that you won't be saying this after 3 months?

Because I use half a dozen different ones and am constantly changing in search of more revenue.
 
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Varon said:
I just thought if we could ever make it in domaining and if we could.... how could we? Can we really be a success? So many broken hearts.. so many broken families,....... which way do we go? Can we make it? And with which company? We WILL bring justice for NOW ...and for our lifetme and bring happiness back ...forever...

I need you to hold my hand, can you? Lets forget our differences for now...can we just hold hands for a minute?


Can I fight for you? Can I fight for what we want? For our families, for our life? Can we ...can we really fight?


If you feel your income has been hit...if you feel that your life has changed...can you hold my hand?...I will never let you down...lets work together ... no kidding? My "to be" daughter smiles..the "Varon" way...which always means Suceess!

Can we just say a YES? Maybe just by a post even if we are making thousands of dollars a day... or maybe just 2 bucks a day or lesser..can we stand for our lives or decide our lives will be made by parking companies...or Yahoo or Google..

Stand be me ...Will Ya? WE can make a change... Not the Obama way with fancy speeches but with real action.

Can you hold on? I couldn''t be me without you...but I sincerely wouldn't be me.... without you. Can You help me change this? I need one post ot tell me that you care... just one small word YES ... and see what changes we can make... See how we will change this domain industry...

Just say One "YES" here and I will fight for YOU..

Is that too hard? I'm not getting any credit but just being a pain in the ass for all domain parking companies. Can you stand by me and demand what we want? Will you ? We can and we will make it...just say a yes ...and I''know you care for a change a want to fight the injustice !

Show me the way!

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These half a dozen are our end goals? So once someone is done with them, they quit domaining? Or feel they are worthless because these 6 companies rejected them? I'm just getting ideas here... no hard feelings snoop...

We are going a different way from now...we are changing... can we have a voice with "our domains"... lets fight back... anyone who pays us 0.01 cents needs to be posted here.... and needs no business from us. Do you need 1 cent? When somebody posts 1 cent to you.... tell them you don't need them however desperate you are, to keep your logs burning... because we can and we will make a difference by talking for the first time..''

Kick Ass.... NOW!

Post who paid you 1 cent ! We need to know your keyword and your parking company and its feed provider that made a fool out of you.... and your parking provider...Lets illustrate these companies who don't care if you made 2 cents as long as they make a cent and squeeze your neck for their next domain party at Vegas.

Show them that their parties are from OUR CASH.. really!

I mean ...enough of all these idiots making merry of OUR MONEY..can we have something of our own? Can we even try? Or shoukd we be kissing ass for always? I may be thrown out of all parking companies shortly for saying this..but...it doesn't matter... we cannot withstand these stupid parking companies playing games with us..Simple...throw our domains out...and they won't make a dime a day.. do "you" realize" what power "WE" have?

No need to say long statements to these parking companies whom "WE RUN"...just say a "yes" in this thread. WE pay their home rents..and mortgages...and their working staff. We need our dues NOW! They aren't doing us a favor... we ARE! by letting our domains be parked at their servers..

Can you for now see how powerful we are? Or will we still praise them like they are are doing us a favor by paying us 40 and fu*ing 5 cents? Move your domain servers the way "WE" want.

Post your 1 cent and 3 cent providers here and we will kick their ass for not having their ass worthy of their prorviders. Lets start now...would you really keep bearing with these idiots who cannot bargain with their feed providers?

Either you made a whole lot of money today and are high on life or you just saw some stats that very much gave you the rubber glove treatment :yell:
 
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Varon

some of us don't make big bucks parking. My business is more slanted to selling my domains. I park them so they have a internet face and then what ppc comes in is ok. But big changes will be made.

Don't get it wrong though, many do make lots of money parking.

Those people use the right parking company or they have names that get traffic. I have some, I don't have as many as those who make the big bucks.

I know a guy who makes $25,000 a month parking his names, so as you can see it can be done. Hes very smart though.

I do agree about one thing many, many domainers are more than a little upset about the lack of transparency for parking names. How do we know what we are really supposed to get if we are not shown verified stats?.
 
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Varon said:
I just thought if we could ever make it in domaining and if we could.... how could we? Can we really be a success? So many broken hearts.. so many broken families,....... which way do we go? Can we make it? And with which company? We WILL bring justice for NOW ...and for our lifetme and bring happiness back ...forever...

If you feel your income has been hit...if you feel that your life has changed...can you hold my hand?...I will never let you down...lets work together ... no kidding? My "to be" daughter smiles..the "Varon" way...which always means Suceess!

Can we just say a YES? Maybe just by a post even if we are making thousands of dollars a day... or maybe just 2 bucks a day or lesser..can we stand for our lives or decide our lives will be made by parking companies...or Yahoo or Google..

Stand be me ...Will Ya? WE can make a change... Not the Obama way with fancy speeches but with real action.

Can you hold on? I couldn''t be me without you...but I sincerely wouldn't be me.... without you. Can You help me change this? I need one post ot tell me that you care... just one small word YES ... and see what changes we can make... See how we will change this domain industry...

Just say One "YES" here and I will fight for YOU..

Is that too hard? I'm not getting any credit but just being a pain in the ass for all domain parking companies. Can you stand by me and demand what we want? Will you ? We can and we will make it...just say a yes ...and I''know you care for a change a want to fight the injustice !

Hehehe, What did you smoke?
 
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Varon:

What is suggested then in the overall aspect of the domain industry??

We as domainers can complain til the cows come home that there is:

No transparancy from either google, yahoo or the parking co's themselves.

No fair playing fields when it comes to the everyday domainer ( Arbitrage)

There have been many a post of these style of complaints yet not one has ever done anything more than make a good topic for a few days, or even weeks then fads away.

So whats needed????

How's this:

A domain parking co that will share info with everyone in the program

A parking co that will cater to the everyday domainer

A parking co that shares the profit right from the advertiser themself

A parking co that shares profit with the domainer.

A parking co the everyday domainer actually has some sort of say in what goes on or at least the opportunity.

Is this what the domain industry needs???

If so today and now is the time to accomplish this.

I am in the starting stages of that style of a parking co.

Anyone want to have a parking co like this????
 
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I don't get why you guys just don't park your names yourselves. If you have some high traffic names get a reseller hosting account for $10 a month and some places you can host up to 50 names for that. Put a simple page together and YOUR OWN google ads and then you don't have to share with anyone.
 
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Ben42 said:
I don't get why you guys just don't park your names yourselves. If you have some high traffic name get a reseller hosting account for $10 a month and some places you can host up to 50 names for that. Put a simple page together and YOUR OWN google ads and then you don't have to share with anyone.

Parking co's are lets face it the easy way to go.

All thats needed is a simple change of dns and wha la, instant site online.

Also face it most either are to lazy to make a site or have no idea on how to make even a simple site.

So parking the domain with a parking company is easy, simple and someone can make good $$$$ with good traffic.

My feelings on domain parking today is google and yahoo has the industry by the *****. And lets face it whatever those 2 companys say goes and there is nothing the everyday domainer can do or even the parking company. Their the ones with the advertisers, the cash, the say so on what happens in the PPC part of the domain industry.
 
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Varon said:
Just say One "YES" here and I will fight for YOU..

Varon, I applaud your spunk and desire to improve. You always have insightful post and contribute meaningful ideas.

I understand your frustration.

I'm the king of dead ends. And i hate dead ends. Some call it learning by trail and error. But i hate going down the wrong road only to discover I'm on the wrong path and a great deal of time and money is lost, while i turn around and retrace to find the right way.

But life and business is like that. Most make excuses and eventually give up, but a few just keep on plugging away. I've had days / weeks where i didn't know what to do next, but eventually i always thought of something else to try. Sometimes you will discover good things along the way you would have never ever found without going down the wrong road, or taking a detour. So try to keep that in mind and enjoy the journey.

What you propose sounds good, but it takes a whole lot more volume than you might think to catch someones attention.

I've been working in sponsored search for 9 years. And I'm just evaluating / considering branching into parking as the two are closely related.

I know things I'm not at liberty to say. I could paint parking companies as questionable in their fairness. But parking companies also face some challenges that require drastic measure sometimes be taken. There are 2 sides.

They must have guidelines and cannot customize their business model for each and every person and circumstance. There are ALWAYS unwritten deals reserved for trusted, large volume folks. ALWAYS, and the bigger your volume the better deal and more support you can get. But it takes far more volume than most think.

If you do 30,000 clicks per day you can sometimes get someones attention, depending on your monthly revenue and who you are dealing with. Even at that volume, sometimes you are just another account.

Varon, when you talk about your frustration with .01 - .02 - .03 clicks, I marvel at the spread between prices on clicks in sponsored search. I see clicks at .02 sent to the same advertiser from my affiliates that other of my affiliates earn .72 for. And i have seen spreads on these accounts as broad as .02 to 4.22

Who's to blame? It's not so much who's to blame. All clicks get segmented into different quality buckets according to traffic quality. Here's the kicker - 95% of traffic quality is perception. There are plenty of filters that are suppose to authenicate quality. None are perfect nor foolproof to either party (the larger company or the small guy). But if someone gets the short stick, it's usually the little guy.

When you get to looking closely, most times the affiliate earning .02 is not doing something he was asked to do or is doing something he was asked not to do. Or of course he is just in a poor paying vertical or his geo source is low paying.

I might be the most honest guy you know and i might be committed to giving all my affiliates a fair shake. But if one is sending me 30,000 to 50,000 clicks a day and needs support / guidance and you are sending me 1000 to 3000 clicks per day, guess who I'll be talking to today.

In a perfect world, your 2000 clicks would receieve the same level of support as 50,000. But it aint no perfect world. I do think there are solutions. What works for me is not accepting affiliates under 1000 clicks per day and this allows me (or my right hand gal) to answer all emails every day.

I try to treat 1000 click affiliates with the same urgency as 50,000 ones. Most of the time i think i do, but i bet if i checked my email response times it would show faster response time to my few big affiliates. That's human nature i guess.

Varon, in every endeavor it's the guys who ask why / why not that improve the process. Where ever this thread may lead you, i wish you well :)

BTW
yes
 
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yes said:
I try to treat 1000 click affiliates with the same urgency as 50,000 ones. Most of the time i think i do, but i bet if i checked my email response times it would show faster response time to my few big affiliates. That's human nature i guess.



BTW
yes

Yes

If I am at liberty to ask this

What style of affiliates are we taking of??

Search Engine
Domainers

Or what??

If not wanting to disclose pls PM me.

We may have a business deal in the works!!!
 
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There's 10 pages worth of "parking rant" in a thread from not too long ago: http://www.namepros.com/parking-and...90293-parking-has-died-long-live-parking.html

Let's try not to get too redundant :)

I've been screaming for transparency, more unity and combined power for a long time. However, as the domain scene is - we're all out on our own, when we hit a low point in revenue, we scream, demand solutions and then we move on, completely forgetting about the unity that many wanted to see at some point.
In a way that's the logical effect of business that's conducted by individuals, no matter the global effect.
I firmly believe that we have a big enough revenue footprint at Google & Yahoo to sway decisions our way. There are millions of revenue generating domains that have practically been disabled, which results in lost revenue that G&Y have to explain to its shareholders.
It's not just about arbitrage, i'm not yet even touching Google's preferential pricing strategy.
Is it all about Google & Yahoo? Yes and No.
Yes, because they understand the momentum that we have down to a "T". Especially Google is well aware of our dynamic where they also understand that we're not uniting, assembling and have no formal council representation. Google knows that as long as we're unorganized, they can do as they please. We may bitch about it, complain about it, look for ways out, but in the end, we're still going to continue on our own.
Would that mean that just domainers should unite? It would be a considerable start if you ask me. I am convinced that once domain owners present the well needed unity, that parking companies will soon join or at the very least support the efforts of domain owners.
I would really like to see what G&Y's reaction to a meeting would be where an elected domainer council represents thousands of domain owners with (hopefully) millions of domains under their ownership.
We may just be a little piece of gravel while we're on our own, but as a unit we would quickly grow to a massive mountain.
For the benefit of Domain Name Owners, Parking Companies and last but not least, the targeted advertiser!

M.
 
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Mike said:
There's 10 pages worth of "parking rant" in a thread from not too long ago: http://www.namepros.com/parking-and...90293-parking-has-died-long-live-parking.html

Let's try not to get too redundant :)

I've been screaming for transparency, more unity and combined power for a long time. However, as the domain scene is - we're all out on our own, when we hit a low point in revenue, we scream, demand solutions and then we move on, completely forgetting about the unity that many wanted to see at some point.
In a way that's the logical effect of business that's conducted by individuals, no matter the global effect.
I firmly believe that we have a big enough revenue footprint at Google & Yahoo to sway decisions our way. There are millions of revenue generating domains that have practically been disabled, which results in lost revenue that G&Y have to explain to its shareholders.
It's not just about arbitrage, i'm not yet even touching Google's preferential pricing strategy.
Is it all about Google & Yahoo? Yes and No.
Yes, because they understand the momentum that we have down to a "T". Especially Google is well aware of our dynamic where they also understand that we're not uniting, assembling and have no formal council representation. Google knows that as long as we're unorganized, they can do as they please. We may bitch about it, complain about it, look for ways out, but in the end, we're still going to continue on our own.
Would that mean that just domainers should unite? It would be a considerable start if you ask me. I am convinced that once domain owners present the well needed unity, that parking companies will soon join or at the very least support the efforts of domain owners.
I would really like to see what G&Y's reaction to a meeting would be where an elected domainer council represents thousands of domain owners with (hopefully) millions of domains under their ownership.
We may just be a little piece of gravel while we're on our own, but as a unit we would quickly grow to a massive mountain.
For the benefit of Domain Name Owners, Parking Companies and last but not least, the targeted advertiser!

M.

Mike

What will it take for domainers to unite???

I remember the posts from the past and everyones says yes changes are needed, we want this, we want that. Yet no one ever really follows through.

Honest and sincerly what will it take to have this united domainers front???

I feel domainers having a parking co that will cater to their needs and desires and not G or Y's demands is the only way.

Heres my 2 cents on what a parking co needs.

Domainers Allowed To Promote their domains in every aspect of online and offline advertising ( LEGIT TRAFFIC) and the advertisers know of it and welcome it.

A open policy of what $$$ is coming in and whats going out.

Domainers have a profit sharing in the company.

Does anyone have any other ideas on this????
 
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