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VPN.com LLC has filed a multimillion lawsuit against long time domain investor George Dikian (California), Qiang Du (Hong Kong) and John Doe at the US District Court (California).

The lawsuit involves a $250,000 payment in Bitcoin and $6.625 million in owed commissions on multiple transactions involving 96 premium 2N.com and 3N.com domains.

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Some new filings.....

Dikian has filed his motion to proceed under a pseudonym:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.53.0.pdf

It is accompanied by several exhibits including his own declaration:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.53.1.pdf

I wouldn't bet the farm on that motion succeeding.

What may be of some interest are the two expert reports offered by Dikian in support of the contention that he was hacked. One, by Rod Rasmussen of the ICANN Security and Stability Committee:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.53.7_2.pdf

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And another by Mark Seiden, a former ICANN SSAC member and security advisor to the Internet Archive...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.53.8.pdf

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VPN LLC has filed its response to Dikian's motion to proceed pseudonymously.

There's a lot to unpack, but if you want the TLDR on the overall motion - I would put my two quatloos on VPN winning this motion for a number of reasons. Surprisingly, I don't think VPN touched on one of the best reasons, and I'm not going to go into it, because I think Brett had fair notice of what that reason is. But, I think Brett's going to score another motion anyway.

VPN's reply brief is here, if you want to read it for yourself and make your own conclusions (which you should):

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.55.0.pdf

So, I don't think the subject of whether Dikian should proceed pseudonymously is all that interesting.

What does strike me as interesting is the back-and-forth over the expert reports, and the emerging new theory of liability.

First, the expert reports. I posted some extracts above which state that based on the IP access logs provided by Yahoo! among other things, it appears that there was someone using a Wifi hotspot in Portugal to access the account while Mr. Dikian can show he was in Florida.

Some background... As a lawyer, or even as a party, you can't just say, "We got these IP access logs from Yahoo and they show that someone used a VPN and a WiFi hotspot in Portugal." You need to have someone with relevant qualifications look at it and say, "Yes, I know internet stuff and, duh, I can look up an IP address and show it is a WiFi hotspot provider in Portugal." Now, are there ways to merely "appear" as if you are using a hotspot in Portugal? Yeah, but really why bother. The provider in question is the biggest ISP in Portugal, so there's no reason to fake that, since it's not going to be practically traceable anyway.

In fact, if you say "Portugal" and "domains, I did the obvious thing. I looked up header information on an email I received from Domain Sherpa and Media Options principal Andrew Rosener and, sure enough, he's a home subscriber of the same ISP. So, perhaps he was out at the café, taking in a soulful Fado performance, and scheming to get even for his #8 broker ranking at VPN.com:


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I added the gold star so that, if Drew is slumming in this thread, the 8th place won't get him down. As Drew says:

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But of course, I'm just kidding. Drew and Mike are good friends and Mike has appeared on Domain Sherpa many times.


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Getting back to the point, to introduce and interpret a piece of technical evidence, you need an expert to vouch for it. Most experts aren't dumb, and they understand that their opinion is worth something, so it is of course not a volunteer effort.

The court is not dumb either, so it doesn't really make anyone look good to throw in gratuitous lines like:

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The implication of calling them "hired" experts with "paid-for" reports is, of course, to suggest that the experts just say whatever the folks paying for them want them to say. First, I've known Rod Rasmussen for quite a long time, as have many in the ICANN community. His opinion, as opposed to his time and attention, is not for sale. Second, at some point VPN is going to want to introduce an expert opinion of their own, so I look forward to whatever volunteers they might find to work for free.

But we can all see the access logs produced by Yahoo! and it's no great mystery that they show access through a VPN and through IP addresses associated with a WiFi hotspot provider in Portugal, and coinciding with some of the correspondence we've seen in the case thus far.

I mean, if we want to rely on the opinion of "volunteer experts", there are certainly no shortage of persons who have expected that the access logs produced by Yahoo! show pretty much what this case looked like to a lot of experts from the get-go.

But, let's look at some volunteer expert opinions, such as the points made above in this thread by Chris Hydrick about email-only contacts and what we might expect to see in the Yahoo email access log:

This is similar to what happened in the Booth purchase of CQD.com when the CQD.com domain owner had her Yahoo email compromised. Going further than automated alerts the hacker added 20+ filters to send certain emails directly to trash. Similar to this VPN scenario, the real CQD.com owner also used a Yahoo email address. Here's a detailed post regarding the 2018 CQD.com theft, and how the CQD.com's domain owners Yahoo email was manipulated.

In fact, I believe Mr. Hydrick has put together a plausible identification of Mr. "Dikian" based solely on public records.

Or by George Kirikos, concerning apparent warning signs:

I don't know what VPN[.]com is thinking, but this complaint doesn't put themselves in a good light.
Beyond the obvious lack of due diligence (e.g. they don’t mention ever authenticating the parties by phone – everything appears to be via emails),

...and there has been a wealth of other opinions posted - for free - by various experts on other domain blogs and news sites - all of whom believed it to be most likely - just based on the stated facts - that an email address compromise seemed the most likely scenario.

So, I wouldn't go to hard on the "hired experts" and their "paid for" reports, since anyone else can look at those access logs in the motions and find out, to no one's great surprise, that it suggests a pattern of unauthorized access, impersonation, and covering their tracks to avoid alerting Dikian - which is what quite a few unhired experts in unpaid-for blog postings miraculously expected to see.

The "hired experts" and "paid for" rhetoric is an unnecessary swipe at Mr. Rasmussen and Mr. Seiden. I get the point about whether the expert reports have been fully vetted for some of the subject matter discussed therein, but the purpose for which they are being used here is more geared to simply point out that Dikian reasonably believes he has been the victim of having his email hacked.

But the substantive issues can be hashed out at a later time. The judge is not being asked to decide the case on these filings.

Speaking of the "substantive issues", we can see the inklings of a new theory of liability clearing its throat. As noted above, there is the issue of whether being careless with your email account settings is a reasonably foreseeable cause of someone else ending up being swindled:

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So, yes, it is clear that even if Dikian's email were compromised by a third party and used for the scam, VPN LLC intends to proceed on a negligence theory.

The second point I highlighted is one for which I haven't worked out the timeline. Dikian at some point became aware of funny business going on with his account and locked it down with 2FA. But VPN LLC seems to be suggesting that Dikian must have been specifically aware of the scam in progress involving VPN LLC and had a duty to warn VPN LLC. Although, I seem to recall that under Dikian's version of events, he warned VPN LLC when, through an inadvertent cc: to the Yahoo email address, he became specifically aware of what was going on.

I know it is hazardous to go from memory, so maybe some kind soul will put together the agreed timeline events and any disputed timeline events leading up to this email:

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In case there is a document which I haven't linked, or you want to catch up, the docket collected by RECAP is here:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/63559525/vpncom-llc-v-george-dikian/
 
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So they would have gone with Epik Escrow, but they went with Intermediar Escrow? Epik Escrow wouldn't have been a good choice.
 
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So they would have gone with Epik Escrow, but they went with Intermediar Escrow? Epik Escrow wouldn't have been a good choice.
That would have been pretty funny.

How much would it suck to rip off Mike G for 250 large and then have Rob Monster make off with the loot! That’s a lot of kitchen cabinets!
 
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So they would have gone with Epik Escrow, but they went with Intermediar Escrow? Epik Escrow wouldn't have been a good choice.

Intermediar was 100% fake company. Never registered in NL or EU countries. Checked the address , asked the office -address renting agent to verify that they are in the building … nope.

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He wanted $25 million for 89.com but explained he would sell it for $2.2M?

I guess you missed the part about that email account being hacked.
 
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I guess you missed the part about that email account being hacked.
OK, so he updated Mike G 1 week after the payment for Gato.com?
 
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OK, so he updated Mike G 1 week after the payment for Gato.com?

I’ve posted a lot of analysis about this case and provided links to the filings, and I get asked a lot of questions on Namepros. In my post above I asked if maybe someone could put together a joint timeline of alleged events.
 
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I'm new here but How Often do Lawsuits like this happen?
What I mean is, How often do Companies sue Domainers? Is it a rare thing or is it something common?
 
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What could plaintiff gain from having defendant's name made public, if they apparently already know who this very private elderly man is?

Settlement leverage. Basically, finding out how much it is worth to the defendant not to be identified.

The positions are pretty clear:

Dikian - Someone hi-jacked my email and ripped you off. I don't owe you anything, and I'm a victim of the hacker too.

VPN - At the very least, I was harmed by your lack of security precautions around your email. You should have known and warned me sooner.

Dikian's identity is a tangential issue. It is worth litigating merely because it may be worth something to Dikian to remain private.

I'm new here but How Often do Lawsuits like this happen?
What I mean is, How often do Companies sue Domainers? Is it a rare thing or is it something common?

I'm not sure what you mean by lawsuits "like this". This is a domainer-on-domainer lawsuit.

As far as "how often," I wouldn't know how to quantify that. It's not as if anyone ever calls me up to say, "Everything's going fine and I don't need legal help."

Do businesses of all kinds sue others and get sued? Sure, every day.
 
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This was probably explained before, but when you use a pseudonym on whois, isn't that wrong information?
"If you give wrong information on purpose, or don't update your information promptly if there is a change, your domain name registration may be suspended or even cancelled"
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/whois-data-accuracy-2017-06-20-en

For years, before GDPR, I had my real name and phone number there, getting so many scam attempts and spam... that sim card / phone had to be silent 99% of the time.
 
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This was probably explained before, but when you use a pseudonym on whois, isn't that wrong information?

People use professional names, unregistered business names, nicknames, etc., all of the time.

In any event... the court has denied the motion to proceed under the claimed business name, but will limit defendant's identification to his first name and last initial:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.59.0.pdf

The Court will, however, allow Mr. Dikian to proceed under his true first name and
last initial at this time. Accordingly, Plaintiff may file an Amended Complaint
naming Defendant only by his first name and last initial.
If, though, this case
proceeds to trial, Mr. Dikian will likely need to proceed under his real (and full)
name.



The last time I did that, someone wrote a song about me.

 
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Yesterday I had read he had to use first name and last initial, what I had no idea is that (in general) using nicknames and the sort is considered valid info. Always learning. Can you have imaginary addresses too? It's just a pseudonym for the name of my real street. I'm "joking". xD
 
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Guess: Dikian and VPN will settle. The reason? Both lose in court. Dikian loses identity, and thus potentially credibility and business. VPN loses the same if they are perceived by clients as likely to sue clients if there is a snag, which everyone knows there can never be complete assurance against.

They should work together to bring the third alleged perpetrator to justice instead. But perhaps Dikian is obstructing that, and in that case it's kind of a plague or cholera choice for him and more of a nothing or something choice for VPN.

Terrible either way.
 
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You were correct. The court filing revealed that the person is "Eitan Z"

That's a very stand-up response. Thanks for leading by example.

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I'm too tired to go in detail with an attempt to connect circumstantial Dikian dots, but for anybody that's been following along, there may be some interesting bread crumbs in Yahoo! Inc. and GeoCities v. Eitan Zviely a/k/a comyahoo.com, et al.

https://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/162060.htm


https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/microsoft-sues-over-misleading-domains/


https://cent.ischool.syr.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/markle-report-final.pdf
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Catching up on recent events, in case anyone is still interested in this case....

VPN has filed a motion to file an amended complaint, naming "Eitan Z." as the defendant. A copy of that motion is here:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.61.1.pdf

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A redline of the original and newly-amended complaint is here:


https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.60.3.pdf

Significantly, VPN is no longer looking for a "broker commission":

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But has decided to engage in some mudslinging:

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Of course, the Defendant is not the only party in this action to have been previously party to a cybersquatting proceeding. So, if the idea is to attack the Defendant's credibility or reputation on that basis, it might not be the best route, given some other public records...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.428233.26.0.pdf

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In any event, pending the operation of the legal principle of "Qui Comaroundus, Goaroundum", the Defendant has filed a paper stating that he does not object to the amended complaint.

The next step will be for the Defendant to file an answer to the complaint.

One curious aspect of the case, at least to me, was the omission of counterclaims by the Defendant, in view of public statements made by the Plaintiff making various accusations against him. While those sorts of statements are protected in legal proceedings, filing a paper in court and making statements out of court are two different things. It seems the Defendant, seeking to maintain his privacy, chose not to allege the obvious counterclaims. Now that the feline is out of the sack, the next steps would be for the court to approve filing the amended Complaint and then for the Defendant to answer and potentially counterclaim.
 
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Well now it makes sense why he was using fake whois info, that dude did some serious cybersquatting...

PARTIES
Complainant is Yahoo!, Inc. and GeoCities, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA (“Complainant”) represented by David M. Kelly of Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett & Dunner, L.L.P. Respondent is Eitan Zviely a/k/a comyahoo.com, et al., Memphis, TN (“Respondent”).

REGISTRAR AND DISPUTED DOMAIN NAMES
Forty-six domain names are at issue, including: <comyahoo.com>, <hyahoo.com>, <yahoochinese.com>, <yahooh.com>, <yahoopager.com>, <yaooh.com>, <dyahoo.com>, <fyahoo.com>, <sahoo.com>, <yahaoo.com>, <yahooa.com>, <ysahoo.com>, <eliyahoo.com>, <gbchineseyahoo.com>, <gbyahoo.com>, <geocitties.com>, <geocitys.com>, <httpyahoo.com>, <lyahoo.com>, <searchyahoo.com>, <syahoo.com>, <yahooespanol.com>, <tyahoo.com>, <yaaoo.com>, <yahooc.com>, <yahooindex.com>, <yahoomaps.com>, <yahoosex.com>, <yahoou.com>, <yaohoo.com>, <yayhoo.com>, <yayoo.com>, <yoahoo.com>, <ytahoo.com>, <geociities.com>, <geocitiies.com>, <geocitoes.com>, <geocoties.com>, <geoities.com>, <yahgoo.com>, <yahoom.com>, <yahoow.com>, <yahopo.com>, <yaqhoo.com>, <yhooligans.com>, and <yahool.com>, registered with Tucows, Inc.
 
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@NamePros has entered the chat:

In the latest round of filings, a curious thread on Namepros has been introduced into evidence. In particular, this thread about "intermediar.com" - the fake "escrow service" that was used in the scheme to swindle VPN LLC:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.78.3.pdf


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That thread, for reference, is here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/do...-intermediar-for-escrow-transactions.1266786/

One interesting feature of that thread is a Namepros user who shows up to claim that intermediar.com is a legit escrow site. As many have pointed out, a few moments inspection of that site at the time would have been sufficient to determine it was a scam site.

IMHO, it would be worthwhile to find out what, if any, contact or log information Namepros might have on that user who showed up to defend intermediar.com as a legit site (along with other third-party discovery relevant to the history of that domain name).

I'm not sure anyone at Namepros is terribly interested in following this lawsuit any further, since the gritty reality of litigation is not "as seen on TV". Developments are slow, and often tedious. So, do let me know whether I should continue to post updates on it.

The exhibit linked above is part of a filing to re-arrange the schedule for the proceedings going forward. The Amended Complaint has been filed:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.77.0.pdf

VPN has dropped the demand for the phantom commissions and is principally now looking to get $250k back along with punitive damages:


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I have no idea what is the point of a permanent injunction "freezing" a domain name, and I doubt a registrar is going to understand an order to "freeze" a domain name either. Sounds chilly. "Locking" has a meaning, but that can be done at room temperature.

The reason for requesting the modified schedule is that VPN's attention has expanded to include the defendant's son, as detailed to some extent (with redactions) in this brief, noting that "Dikian" had mentioned that his son had access to his email address:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.78.1.pdf


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VPN offers "two" explanations for the alleged continued unauthorized access to the relevant email account. There are, of course, more than two possible explanations for that, but the only explanations of interest to VPN are ones which lead to a recovery against Dikian. Notably, the Amended Complaint doesn't make any claims involving Dikian's son.


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I don't know about this judge, but arguing things which aren't proven can be annoying to a judge. Notice the leap from Dikian admitting that his son accessed his email account in the evidence, to his son being "the only other person to have accessed" the account in the argument. Does the evidence show that Dikian's son was the only other person to have accessed the account? Well, no, it doesn't. Clearly, Dikian's testimony states that his son accessed the account. That is sufficient to suggest that Dikian's son may have been involved. But overselling your evidence to make an exaggeration that he is the ONLY other person who could have accessed the account detracts from the point. Obviously, any email account that is shared among two people is less secure than one used by one person.

What is difficult to assess, when the words of a deposition are rendered in print, is the demeanor of the witness. Additionally, depositions go on for seven hours and the selected pieces used in argument may seem different out of context. I'm curious to know, for example, what is the technical proficiency of the Dikians. Even from the excerpts, the elder Dikian seems a bit scatterbrained and not tremendously attentive to events concerning his email address from several years ago. Of course, people in depositions can put on various acts, but it is also true that sitting at a table with a camera pointed at you while someone fires off questions concerning a parade of documents can be disorienting and intimidating to some people, who knows. But someone put together the intermediar.com website and constructed a fake Dutch identity around it. Hence, one wonders whether either of the Dikians had the chops to do that, or would have had to enlist the services of yet another party in the scheme.

In any event, short of Mike or Brett using RECAP to copy the PACER filings into the Courtlistener archive, it costs me ten cents a page to download this stuff to have it captured and copied to Courtlistener. That may not be worthwhile for the two or three people still following this thing, but if someone else with PACER and RECAP is interested, there's a couple of more documents which may shed further light on the technical claims made by VPN, albeit without an expert.
 
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@NamePros has entered the chat:

In the latest round of filings, a curious thread on Namepros has been introduced into evidence. In particular, this thread about "intermediar.com" - the fake "escrow service" that was used in the scheme to swindle VPN LLC:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.78.3.pdf


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That thread, for reference, is here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/do...-intermediar-for-escrow-transactions.1266786/

One interesting feature of that thread is a Namepros user who shows up to claim that intermediar.com is a legit escrow site. As many have pointed out, a few moments inspection of that site at the time would have been sufficient to determine it was a scam site.

IMHO, it would be worthwhile to find out what, if any, contact or log information Namepros might have on that user who showed up to defend intermediar.com as a legit site (along with other third-party discovery relevant to the history of that domain name).

I'm not sure anyone at Namepros is terribly interested in following this lawsuit any further, since the gritty reality of litigation is not "as seen on TV". Developments are slow, and often tedious. So, do let me know whether I should continue to post updates on it.

The exhibit linked above is part of a filing to re-arrange the schedule for the proceedings going forward. The Amended Complaint has been filed:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.77.0.pdf

VPN has dropped the demand for the phantom commissions and is principally now looking to get $250k back along with punitive damages:


Show attachment 246949

I have no idea what is the point of a permanent injunction "freezing" a domain name, and I doubt a registrar is going to understand an order to "freeze" a domain name either. Sounds chilly. "Locking" has a meaning, but that can be done at room temperature.

The reason for requesting the modified schedule is that VPN's attention has expanded to include the defendant's son, as detailed to some extent (with redactions) in this brief, noting that "Dikian" had mentioned that his son had access to his email address:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964/gov.uscourts.cacd.855964.78.1.pdf


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VPN offers "two" explanations for the alleged continued unauthorized access to the relevant email account. There are, of course, more than two possible explanations for that, but the only explanations of interest to VPN are ones which lead to a recovery against Dikian. Notably, the Amended Complaint doesn't make any claims involving Dikian's son.


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I don't know about this judge, but arguing things which aren't proven can be annoying to a judge. Notice the leap from Dikian admitting that his son accessed his email account in the evidence, to his son being "the only other person to have accessed" the account in the argument. Does the evidence show that Dikian's son was the only other person to have accessed the account? Well, no, it doesn't. Clearly, Dikian's testimony states that his son accessed the account. That is sufficient to suggest that Dikian's son may have been involved. But overselling your evidence to make an exaggeration that he is the ONLY other person who could have accessed the account detracts from the point. Obviously, any email account that is shared among two people is less secure than one used by one person.

What is difficult to assess, when the words of a deposition are rendered in print, is the demeanor of the witness. Additionally, depositions go on for seven hours and the selected pieces used in argument may seem different out of context. I'm curious to know, for example, what is the technical proficiency of the Dikians. Even from the excerpts, the elder Dikian seems a bit scatterbrained and not tremendously attentive to events concerning his email address from several years ago. Of course, people in depositions can put on various acts, but it is also true that sitting at a table with a camera pointed at you while someone fires off questions concerning a parade of documents can be disorienting and intimidating to some people, who knows. But someone put together the intermediar.com website and constructed a fake Dutch identity around it. Hence, one wonders whether either of the Dikians had the chops to do that, or would have had to enlist the services of yet another party in the scheme.

In any event, short of Mike or Brett using RECAP to copy the PACER filings into the Courtlistener archive, it costs me ten cents a page to download this stuff to have it captured and copied to Courtlistener. That may not be worthwhile for the two or three people still following this thing, but if someone else with PACER and RECAP is interested, there's a couple of more documents which may shed further light on the technical claims made by VPN, albeit without an expert.
I, for one, really appreciate your updates and still find this case fascinating, even if it moves slowly.
 
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