domain Very long name with high paying key words- CPC $36 BadCreditSecondMortgageLoans[.]com

[HiFiNames.com]

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BadCreditSecondMortgageLoans.com

A very long name with high paying key words - CPC $36 !!

 

[Highestlevel]

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BadCreditSecondMortgageLoans.com

A very long name with high paying key words - CPC $36 !!

Ithinkthatdomainnameisjustabitlong.com and the ppc might say $36 but that much per click would be on a high quality site so i would say rego to XX max.

 

[Smartphone]

Reg fee.Just too long.

 

[freedom30]

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BadCreditSecondMortgageLoans.com

A very long name with high paying key words - CPC $36 !!

You know, long names notwithstanding, whenever I google for information I just click on the resulting site. I rarely, and I mean rarely, type in a website anymore. I just do not comprehend the concern of long names.

BUT...the site has to be developed and contain pertinent information to my query to be effective. Should you develop properly, I do not see the length of a name being an obstacle. That was more of a concern yesterday than it is today, at least for me.

At 36 samolas a click, it is worthy of development. Good luck with your investment.

 

[Domainace]

If you're looking to sell it undeveloped, forget it. A typical domainer here is stuck in the "too long" mindset. You could probably do minimal development on this name, and make more each month than any domainer will pay for it. I have several such "worthless" domains making more each month than I ever could have sold them for - with no SEO backlink campaigns.

In this very domain appraisal section, I had one such long domain name that got the same old negative reactions. Meanwhile, one NPer PM'd me a $100 offer.

You can make a fortune with long domains, but don't expect anyone to tell you so. The day they do is the day the game is over.

So, build a small site with some targeted content, add just a few backlinks and some bookmarks. The exact phrase got 390 searches last month. At $36 per click, there's juice there. Not too many going for that exact phrase, so you have a good shot.

And stop wasting your time in the NP appraisal section...

 

[CamMK27]

If you're looking to sell it undeveloped, forget it. A typical domainer here is stuck in the "too long" mindset. You could probably do minimal development on this name, and make more each month than any domainer will pay for it. I have several such "worthless" domains making more each month than I ever could have sold them for - with no SEO backlink campaigns.

In this very domain appraisal section, I had one such long domain name that got the same old negative reactions. Meanwhile, one NPer PM'd me a $100 offer.

You can make a fortune with long domains, but don't expect anyone to tell you so. The day they do is the day the game is over.

So, build a small site with some targeted content, add just a few backlinks and some bookmarks. The exact phrase got 390 searches last month. At $36 per click, there's juice there. Not too many going for that exact phrase, so you have a good shot.

And stop wasting your time in the NP appraisal section...

Exactly.. I agree with Domainace. Stop wasting time here. Here most of the threads even go unanswered. And if they do get answered most of them are negative or not worthy appraisals. I asked for an appraisal a couple of months ago and not much of a positive response at all. I let the domain go and expired and now I found out some one bought it at an auction and paid low $XXX for it so I am mad at myself while over here no one even wanted to pay $X for it.

Those long keywords domains don't have much competition so the best thing to do is build a website like Domainace said. Even if you get one click a month you can end up making a few hundred dollars a year from that domain and that could be a very profitable domain at the end.

Good Luck...

 

[exsedo]

The problem here is that the domainers who aren't stuck in the 'too long' mindset, and who know how to make $xxx from these names, never seem to make an offer for them.
I have had domains shorter than this (3 words) in the same niche, with a similar CPC, for a couple of years and never had a $xx offer for them.

 

[Jaco]

If you're looking to sell it undeveloped, forget it. A typical domainer here is stuck in the "too long" mindset. You could probably do minimal development on this name, and make more each month than any domainer will pay for it. I have several such "worthless" domains making more each month than I ever could have sold them for - with no SEO backlink campaigns.

In this very domain appraisal section, I had one such long domain name that got the same old negative reactions. Meanwhile, one NPer PM'd me a $100 offer.

You can make a fortune with long domains, but don't expect anyone to tell you so. The day they do is the day the game is over.

So, build a small site with some targeted content, add just a few backlinks and some bookmarks. The exact phrase got 390 searches last month. At $36 per click, there's juice there. Not too many going for that exact phrase, so you have a good shot.

And stop wasting your time in the NP appraisal section...

+1 to everything said here. My longer domains crush. Just make sure that your 'longtail' names represent actual search terms.

 

[CamMK27]

The problem here is that the domainers who aren't stuck in the 'too long' mindset, and who know how to make $xxx from these names, never seem to make an offer for them.
I have had domains shorter than this (3 words) in the same niche, with a similar CPC, for a couple of years and never had a $xx offer for them.

It is true, I have some domains that have 3 words also and no decent offers. What I have decided to do it sell them on sites like afternic, or sedo or godaddy premium listings. But with most of the domains like this one I would rather build websites to keep them for long term business investment. I would so love to have 1000 domains that make me anywhere from $5 to $100 plus dollars a month. It is possible but there is a lot of research that goes behind it and it will take a while to get to that point. I would not sell domains like those if I had a lot of liquid cash to develop them and get SE organic traffic. There is a lot more money to be made with affiliate programs and adsense than just parking such domains or even selling them for one time offer of $XX-$XXX.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

You can make a fortune with long domains, but don't expect anyone to tell you so. The day they do is the day the game is over.

.... which makes you either a liar or self-destructive.

 

[domainica]

There are 390 monthly searches on Google for the exact phrase.
If 10% of all searches are type-ins, that would mean that a total of 435 people searched this term last month (and I'm not including Yahoo, Bing, etc.). 10% of that would be 43 visitors/monthly to your site.

How many of those 43 would click on your PPC ads? Tough to say, but at $33.91/click (as of now), I'd say the name is probably high $xxx (sale of the name based on only 1 year's revenue).

Or something like that.

 

[Domainace]

.... which makes you either a liar or self-destructive.

Did you really mean to call me a liar, or did you just get up on the wrong side of bed? I have to wonder where the heck a comment like that comes from.

It doesn't matter how many people I tell. These aren't great secrets. It comes down to what people believe. Back in the way, the registering of super premium .coms wasn't a secret. Tons of people knew about the concept (reg a domain today for $35, sell it in 10 years for a small fortune). But few people believed it, and fewer still acted on it in any significant way.

Same with these names. You can talk about it, or you can act on it and see for yourself.

Or you can just call people names, if that works for you.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Did you really mean to call me a liar, or did you just get up on the wrong side of bed? I have to wonder where the heck a comment like that comes from.

lol I just found what you said to be like someone shouting "Me and some others found gold up in that hill, but nobody will tell you guys this because once they do the party is over." So it's either a lie or self-desctructive behavior. That is all.

It doesn't matter how many people I tell. These aren't great secrets.

But wait, didn't you just say....

You can make a fortune with long domains, but don't expect anyone to tell you so. The day they do is the day the game is over.

So which is it, a secret that is a game killer if it gets out like you first said, or not a big secret like you are now saying? lol

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There are 390 monthly searches on Google for the exact phrase.
If 10% of all searches are type-ins, that would mean that a total of 435 people searched this term last month (and I'm not including Yahoo, Bing, etc.). 10% of that would be 43 visitors/monthly to your site.

How many of those 43 would click on your PPC ads? Tough to say, but at $33.91/click (as of now), I'd say the name is probably high $xxx (sale of the name based on only 1 year's revenue).

Or something like that.

Nobody in their right mind is paying high $xxx for this.

Very few domainers know how to properly use the Google keyword tool. This post is typical of the misbeliefs. The problem is that it's for AdWords users and does not provide solid data for AdSense users hoping to manipulate the system.

There is no tool for AdSense users, nor will there ever be because they don't want you targeting certain high paying keywords (and will ban your AdSense account if you are detected).

The biggest myth among domainers is that the dollar figure next to the keyword is what you get paid per click. This is false. That is what the AdWords users in positions 1-3 are paying. Average PPC revenues on AdSense are much lower after factoring in all positions and Googe's cut of the revenue.

 

[Domainace]

I'm impressed. That's a lot of words where a simple "sorry" would have sufficed.

By "they," I meant the masses, so your parsing of my words wasn't quite on target. And your own choice of words could use some work. Among people I know, "liar" is a serious accusation.

I speak of my own experience. If yours is different, that's fine. Say so. If I know something to be true, I don't care all that much whether others agree or not. (In this case it's to my benefit if nobody agrees.) But if you want to call me a liar, you should come with some facts to back it up.

My post was here to help the OP, who asked for advice. I still don't know the point of your first post.

If you still think your post was fine, then good luck to you. You'll need it.

 

[domainica]

Nobody in their right mind is paying high $xxx for this.

Very few domainers know how to properly use the Google keyword tool. This post is typical of the misbeliefs. The problem is that it's for AdWords users and does not provide solid data for AdSense users hoping to manipulate the system.

There is no tool for AdSense users, nor will there ever be because they don't want you targeting certain high paying keywords (and will ban your AdSense account if you are detected).

The biggest myth among domainers is that the dollar figure next to the keyword is what you get paid per click. This is false. That is what the AdWords users in positions 1-3 are paying. Average PPC revenues on AdSense are much lower after factoring in all positions and Googe's cut of the revenue.

I did. I took 4 clicks/monthly (from the 43 estimated that will come to the site) and multiplied it by $16, then multiplied that by 12 months.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

I did. I took 4 clicks/monthly (from the 43 estimated that will come to the site) and multiplied it by $16, then multiplied that by 12 months.

$768 for 48 clicks? Not going to happen.

 

[enlytend]

The biggest myth among domainers is that the dollar figure next to the keyword is what you get paid per click. This is false. That is what the AdWords users in positions 1-3 are paying. Average PPC revenues on AdSense are much lower after factoring in all positions and Googe's cut of the revenue.

Not only that, but few domainers understand there are two major types of Adwords advertising - search network and content network. Those high numbers are search network bids. Adsense = the content network. Content network is not as targeted as search and the bids are cheaper. For example, I might be bidding $1/click on the search network and $0.10/click on content. Not to mention, many advertisers opt out of advertising on the content network.

If people are bidding $36 on search then that's much higher than average and you will probably do well, but use those dollar figures as a guideline and basis for comparison, not as a number that's set-in-stone.

So much for my $0.02 - back to your argument ...

 

[domainica]

$768 for 48 clicks? Not going to happen.

Then what's a realistic value? The reason I ask is that I was planning on going the Adsense route on a few high-paying keyword domains I have, and I thought my calculations were correct. I guess maybe not so much.

But what do you thing is a realistic value for this domain?

Thanks in advance.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Then what's a realistic value? The reason I ask is that I was planning on going the Adsense route on a few high-paying keyword domains I have, and I thought my calculations were correct. I guess maybe not so much.

Yeah, it's not that easy. If it were, we would be able to work for three years and then retire.

Your PPC values mostly depend on the text on your site and how trusted your site is by Google. That is very conflicting with a segment of the domaining industry that was built on Google keyword tool misconceptions.

A domain like BadCreditSecondMortgageLoans.com isn't going to cause Google to limit ads to the "Bad Credit Second Mortgage Loans" keyword. In fact, that particular ad keyword may not even appear on your site at all.

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But what do you thing is a realistic value for this domain?

I personally wouldn't touch it. Google doesn't like people who zero in on certain keywords and craft their sites in a way that manipulates the system into displaying those keywords (this is a form of click fraud). When you hear about people who got banned from AdSense and they have no idea why, just assume they were too brazen in targeting keywords. IMO you can't make it any more obvious than using a longtail keyword domain that nobody else would register that just so happens to have a high CPC for that same keyword. That is not a coincidence, and Google isn't stupid.

 

[Jaco]

Yeah, it's not that easy. If it were, we would be able to work for three years and then retire.

Your PPC values mostly depend on the text on your site and how trusted your site is by Google. That is very conflicting with a segment of the domaining industry that was built on Google keyword tool misconceptions.

A domain like BadCreditSecondMortgageLoans.com isn't going to cause Google to limit ads to the "Bad Credit Second Mortgage Loans" keyword. In fact, that particular ad keyword may not even appear on your site at all.

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I personally wouldn't touch it. Google doesn't like people who zero in on certain keywords and craft their sites in a way that manipulates the system into displaying those keywords (this is a form of click fraud). When you hear about people who got banned from AdSense and they have no idea why, just assume they were too brazen in targeting keywords. IMO you can't make it any more obvious than using a longtail keyword domain that nobody else would register that just so happens to have a high CPC for that same keyword. That is not a coincidence, and Google isn't stupid.

Very insightful stuff, particularly the latter segment.
Still, risky though it may be, a lot of people are nevertheless doing it- and very profitably so, for now. Their days are numbered, though

I agree 10,000% that 'game-the-system' meaningless development like this is on Gs shitlist and they've been taking substantial measures to counteract it. I've raliled and lamented over this very point several times. I mean, for now, there's still some free money left so it's perfectly understandable why people do it, but the gravy train is rapidly coming to a halt.

We noticed one of our better mortgage interfaces- aged, trusted links with pretty meaningful development- got hit hard ranking wise (not delisted entirely, but sent deep into the backwaters) and had no choice but to conclude that keyword targeting with a mind towards clicks was the reason why. They're getting pretty hard-core about cutting out the middle men and delivering users right to the source.

The mortgage click field is tricky, since there is such a massive braintrust behind it. Like, you're dealing with quantitative analysts and former investment bankers working with hard-core math to determine the ultimate value of any given click, based on a huge macro ROI. The mortgage and home-loan market comprises critical vertebrae in G's adsense-profit backbone and you can be damn sure that they're listening very closely to what these advertisers have to say, as far as the quality of users that are delivered via clicks... and you can bet that system-gaming interface pages- that only exist to grab eyeballs and make them click, irrespective of their actual user intent- is high up on the list of obnoxious flys to swat.

When the cost of those clicks is $ or $$ a pop and you're dealing with companies that might have a seven figure daily budget, there's no doubt that they receive a 'special sort' of customer service from G, as far as content management goes.