Vegan Debate

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Do we have any vegans at NamePros?

Anyone want to debate why they believe they have the right to enslave, manipulate, force, bully into submission, and send innocent gentle animals to a slaughterhouse full of uneducated employees that have a career in mass murder?

 

[Yuri Kt]

The ultimate solution is that humans will not interfere with other forms of life.
It is our evolutionary path. Some are taking the right steps already.
The ultimate evolutionary goal, that perhaps has already been reached by life in the universe already.
Animals are like our children, that we must take care of and leave one day to take their own evolutionary path and grow into 'adults' (hypothetically speaking). We ourselves are a relatively young species, in terms of planet Earth's history. All life on Earth is related, whether 97% human DNA, or 20% human DNA.
We will leave the Earth some day to take to the stars. Our animal children will not be coming with us.

Evolution of animals - adaptation to changing environment
Evolution of homo sapiens - changing the environment. We are driven by selfishness and curiosity. We also have "moral breaks", sometimes it is good to slow down, but we neither want to stop nor turn back.

What do they eat in space now?

Everything, including meat.

 

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Everything, including meat.

But what is sustainable?

 

[En]

Humans have been so "selfish" that they missed the bigger picture, which will ultimately result in a global catastrophe. It's also selfish to protect the planet you live on! (and not just plain stupidity)

 

[carob]

What do they eat in space now?

http://phys.org/news/2016-09-full-circle-space-algae-malnutrition.html

There are no excuses anymore. We have the knowledge.

Coming soon to a vending machine near you:

http://www.newfoodmagazine.com/24366/blogs/3d-food-printing-vtt/

Adaptation of ingredients and recipes may also hold the key to the sustainable aspects of 3D food printing. Algae protein or insects could be used as an alternative to animal meat when it comes to 3D printed food.

 

[Wannabean]

Would you want to associate with a species like that?

No prey wants to associate with it's predator. And the predator doesn't care if it's liked or not. It's hungry and that's all there is to it. Don't take it personally.

 

[En]

No prey wants to associate with it's predator. And the predator doesn't care if it's liked or not. It's hungry and that's all there is to it. Don't take it personally.

A highly advanced super species, that doesn't care about their prey? In fact, eating only for the purposes of their own enjoyment? Even overindulging? Destroying their health? Wasting food?

As long as they don't lock me up, breed me, take away my babies (again and again), bully me into moving from one room to another for different tests/removing my testicles without painkillers, branding me with a hot iron and clipping my ears, pulling my teeth out to stop me biting, removing my nails to stop me scratching...

Physical and mental torture! No thanks! Just put me out of my misery (and all of my family and friends).

 

[En]

The next 'advancement' will be DNA cloning. Putting me through a living hell, eating me..., then cloning an exact match of me to go through the same thing over and over again...

 

[En]

You're just proving you're not reading my posts. That article said most chose because of moral reasons, which is learned.

I'm talking about 1 thing only, natural taste. You haven't given your opinions on that yet, except to say stuff like utter nonsense, which is nonsense in itself. I linked to an article with a doctor explaining it and you can read more on it.

You don't have to bribe or condition kids to eat meat, with vegetables you do a lot of the time. We naturally like what we like. Don't deny it, eat it.

What will happen when you give your kid a baby lamb? They will play with it.

What happens when you give them an apple? They try to eat it.

Natural? Give a baby lamb to a young lion, that's a different story!

Complete and utter lies and PROPAGANDA!

You really believe that what you're eating is "natural" in today's world anyway?

How do they like the taste of raw flesh?

Each year, U.S. Department of Agriculture–managed programs spend $550 million to bombard Americans with slogans such as these urging us to buy more animal foods. Although people in every age group already eat more animal protein than recommended—and far more than our forebears did—these promotional programs are shockingly effective at making people buy even more. Each marketing buck spent boosts sales by an average of $8, for an annual total of an extra $4.6 billion in government-backed sales of meat, dairy products, and eggs.

http://www.nodpa.com/checkoff_2008 report on check off programs.pdf

If you feed your kids meat and chips with ketchup until they are adults, and they are bombarded by adverts and all their friends are eating the same foods due to brainwashing propaganda by a greedy selfish industry... of course they will be addicted to it and it will be extremely difficult to re-educate them.

I can remember when I first went vegan and members of my family peer pressuring me to eat meat, "what about protein, you need protein, you'll get ill, you wont get enough calcium without milk..." They had completely no idea about nutrition other than what was taught to them.

 

[En]

Smell and taste are very closely related. If you are a meat eating family, whatever you cook will have a massive effect on your baby's food choices:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-how-does-sight-smell-affect-taste/

Interestingly, food and drink are identified predominantly by the senses of smell and sight, not taste.

http://www.parenting.com/article/your-babys-sense-of-smell

Unlike eyesight, which can take a few years to develop, smell is the most advanced sense that babies have at birth.

 

[Yuri Kt]

How do they like the taste of raw flesh?
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No so much. But then they've discovered fire and tasted grilled meat. It was fantastic ! It was so fkin great, that totally changed the tribal hierachy. Hunters became the elite of tribe. But even super hunters can not bring meat every day, so some of them turned to sheppards, keeping their meat meal and milk close to cave. Million years first subhumans picked vegetables and roots like monkeys, and all million years they were no more than advanced monkey. But the chain "fire - grilled meat - hunters - sheppards" caused fast evolution to homo sapience grade.

 

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No so much. But then they've discovered fire and tasted grilled meat. It was fantastic ! It was so fkin great, that totally changed the tribal hierachy. Hunters became the elite of tribe. But even super hunters can not bring meat every day, so some of them turned to sheppards, keeping their meat meal and milk close to cave. Million years first subhumans picked vegetables and roots like monkeys, and all million years they were no more than advanced monkey. But the chain "fire - grilled meat - hunters - sheppards" caused fast evolution to homo sapience grade.

So we invented how to create fire, without the "need" of meat?

Sounds like an Einstein being changed the face of humanity (as has happened again and again, history repeats itself).

 

[En]

But yeah, you can blame all of today's human issues on meat! There are certainly enough of them.

 

[Yuri Kt]

So we invented how to create fire, without the "need" of meat?

Not invented but discovered. Then they tried to grill different things. It was good for meat and some veggies however bad for cucumbers, that get exploded

 

[420domainer]

^^ Ridiculous Blathering.......


Am I the only one who can see the true problem without making the other guy the "bad guy."

Humans need to be purposeful, you need to be purposeful. You need to "have purpose," every moment of your life. It does not matter whether you think that is a good thing or a bad thing, it's what's happening right now. Become aware of this incessant need to be purposeful and then you can begin to figure out how humans should consume the earth in order to survive.

 

[En]

So they were already pretty intelligent before the meat and 2 veg?

Here I was thinking that humans hated new ideas, such as a round Earth!

 

[420domainer]

^Ummmm

Aren't you the OP? Didn't you start this thread to ask for others opinions?

Here is my opinion- you want to justify your particular consumption of the earth because you are not comfortable in your purpose, why else ask others to question their own beliefs but to justify your own?

 

[En]

^Ummmm

Aren't you the OP? Didn't you start this thread to ask for others opinions?

Here is my opinion- you want to justify your particular consumption of the earth because you are not comfortable in your purpose, why else ask others to question their own beliefs but to justify your own?

I'm just working out what went wrong on Earth that humans can treat humans like nothing, and every single other life form. And why it hasn't been stopped already by the rest of us.

If the majority don't like it, why does it still exist?

 

[420domainer]

I'm just working out what went wrong on Earth that humans can treat humans like nothing, and every single other life form. And why it hasn't been stopped already by the rest of us.

You want to know why humans act as they do and why "the rest of us" have not been able to stop them...Purpose.

Purpose is what motivates all action. Purpose also is responsible for inaction. I know this gets philosophical, but it is also quite simple. Underneath all human relationship is purpose. Can you see this simple fact?

 

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http://freefromharm.org/animal-rights/seven-reasons-why-we-have-not-evolved-to-eat-meat/

You want to know why humans act as they do and why "the rest of us" have not been able to stop them...Purpose.

Purpose is what motivates all action. Purpose also is responsible for inaction. I know this gets philosophical, but it is also quite simple. Underneath all human relationship is purpose. Can you see this simple fact?

I think we're getting a bit tangled between evolution and religion http://www.icr.org/article/darwinism-survival-without-purpose/

 

[VB Domains]

I gradually transition from a vegetarian diet to a vegan diet, that is also gluten free. Reasons: health, ethical