Vegan Debate

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Do we have any vegans at NamePros?

Anyone want to debate why they believe they have the right to enslave, manipulate, force, bully into submission, and send innocent gentle animals to a slaughterhouse full of uneducated employees that have a career in mass murder?

 

[Wannabean]

that would at least be a start to the better

if you can't live w/o meat
then eating an animal that had a good life
would change a lot

don't you agree?

Would probably taste better (says a vegetarian)

 

[frank-germany]

This issue is so so much deeper than simply making better food choices. A single mother of 4 who is working two jobs and has no idea about nutrition is not likely to stop getting cheap dinners from Mcd's. She just doesn't have the time or the knowledge of how to shop efficiently and cook healthfully. Multiply that times 5 million, then add all the meat lovers who could care less how their food is sourced....

cheap food?

please take into consideration the health related costs
as that food will make the eater fat and sick

and yes
there are people living at this world
who don't care think about what they eat
as long as they are not starving

some of them do so because they are in need
- that to me is completely understandable and I would do so too -

some of them are just not thinking
- well thats a position I can't take
simply I can't -

 

[Yuri Kt]

that would at least be a start to the better

if you can't live w/o meat
then eating an animal that had a good life
would change a lot

don't you agree?

So eating beef, lamb and pork is kinda more human than eating chicken,

 

[frank-germany]

It's not wrong to eat meat, we were meant to. Is your issue just in all meat eating or certain meat eating, based on how we came about it?

you are mistaken if you think you have no choice

humans can live w/o meat
and it will be a healthier life too

 

[Wannabean]

and it will be a healthier life too

Not necessarily.

 

[frank-germany]

But some people want to eat meat. .

ask yourself :

1) would they still want it
if they needed to kill the animal themself?

2) some people want sex all day,
so - should they get it?

 

[frank-germany]

The amount of land needed to cater for an influx in a diets alternative to eating meat would be mammoth, and in itself kill billions of animals! Forests and wildlife areas would be levelled to cater for crop growing. All insects, ants, spiders, bees, etc etc, would also be killed, and this has an affect on the survivability of the surrounding plants, trees, and food for other animals like birds etc.

thank you.

that is exactly what happens right now

as the beaf eaters needs a lot of acres of rainforest
to feed those cows

big chain companies that supply "cheap" meat
destroy the foundation of life
in taking down the rain forest

you support that with every burger

 

[frank-germany]

I guess why. There was one dinosaur that decided to be a vegan. While he ate the grass and leaves his dinomates just had thoughts he is a freak, but were OK with him. Then he began to preach among them the faith of vegan lifestyle, called them killers and environmental enemies. So them just ate the idiot, and since then you "don't remember hearing about abused, tortured, and bullied dinosaurs".

actually the largest dinosaurs were plant eaters

 

[Fancy.domains]

feeling their pain
and respecting them as beeings
and treating them in a way
so if we eat them
they at least have a good life
until their are killed

is a realistic and human aim

and is not worshipping

WORD

 

[frank-germany]

Yes, most vegans ate meat before and deep down, you know you miss it.

sorry you are mistaken again
I don't miss it, when I don't eat it

meat it itself isn't tasty
w/o spices and salt

I
Do you think all the other animals in the world that naturally eat other animals are wrong? Or do you agree those animals were meant to eat other animals?

how can they be wrong?

they have no choice
but you have

 

[frank-germany]

Man has been eating meat as food since time unknown. Why make it an issue now?
Seriously, to each his own.
Vegans can eat all the grass they want, we have no issues with that. Let us have our food in peace.

the "man" you are quoting here is no longer existing

and the conditions of the animals they have eaten has changes drastically
you can't compare that no more

it the industrialisted production of meat
that is the issue for me

treating animals as items not as living creatures
who have feelings as fear and pain as much as you do

 

[frank-germany]

Ok. All of this we already knew and try to do something about. And most of it has nothing to do with meat production. Just people being bad to animals. But I understand why someone like you would post irrelevant crap to support your claims.

So what about the subject you have ignored, about the slave workers who pick your vegetables.
What about all that?

you are a trolling expert

the vegetables I eat are not produced by slaves
but you live in USA
-I guess-
there it may happen

so start to do something
and don't eat that crap

you are trolling because:
that is not a normal procedure with vegatable production

but animal bad treatment for meat production is standard
and happens all over the world
is is NOT an exception as
your vegetable report

 

[frank-germany]

.. but plenty of crop for human consumption takes a lot of land..

yes and thats because its used for the production of animals food

you need 7 times more land to produces the same amount of colories
supplied by meat compared to the amount of land needed for plant nutrition

 

[frank-germany]

An animal dies in a bad way - I eat its flesh.

1. A human is treat badly, 15 hour day, paid very little, some die because of the conditions - you eat the produce they pick.

Are the two different?

yes

as the animal mostly will have no escape and no choice

men do have choices
sometimes not easy choice
but mostly they do have choices

unless they live in a suppressive society
or are in prison

but you are trolling again:
because the example of an extreme situations of few humans

is no excuse for the ill treatment of nearly all animals that are bound to be killed for food
and the suffering of those humans
doesn't make anything better for the animals
or diminuishes the need for a change in human habits
in order to treat those animals better

you are simply adding examples of unsatisfying situations into a discussion
that have no direct relation to the topic

the suffering of animals bund to be eaten
and the suffering of a slave in a field
have no connection at all to the misstreatent of animals

the potential relieve of those slaves in the field
will not reduce the suffering of those animals


long texts with a lot of unrelated stuff may impress somebody here
its still trolling at its best

 

[Yuri Kt]

yes and thats because its used for the production of animals food

you need 7 times more land to produces the same amount of colories
supplied by meat compared to the amount of land needed for plant nutrition

Cheap vegan propaganda

 

[frank-germany]

Cheap vegan propaganda

facts my friend

propanda is what you post here

 

[frank-germany]

bon apetit!
you are eating the rainforest
- yes I know you don't care-
but maybe your children will



http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/beef-production-is-killing-the-amazon-rainforest/

The Amazon rainforest has been facing severe deforestation problems for several decades — it has lost about a fifth of its forest in the past three. While there are many causes, one of the main causes is cattle ranching, particularly in Brazil. Trees are cut and the land is converted into a pasture for cattle grazing. According to one report, an estimated 70 percent of deforestation in the Amazon basin can be attributed to cattle ranching. Using these numbers, cattle ranching in the Amazon has resulted in the loss of an area larger than the state of Washington.

Yale Environment 360


Brazil is the world’s largest exporter of beef. Between 1996 and 2004, the total export value of beef increased tenfold from $1.9 million to $1.9 billion, making Brazil the world’s largest beef exporter. It has the largest commercial cattle herd of approximately 180 – 190 million head. The government of Brazil offers loans of billions of dollars to support the expansion of its beef industry. Approximately 200 million pounds of beef is imported by the United States from Central America every year. While the chief importers of Brazilian beef were previously Europe and North America, nowadays Asian countries such as China and Russia consume more Brazilian beef than the European market. So, the demand is increasing day by day.

bon apetit!
you are eating the rainforest
- yes I know you don't care-
but maybe your children will

 

[Yuri Kt]

So, the demand is increasing day by day.

Nice said.

 

[frank-germany]

Nice said.

maybe that was to much text for you
here is the short version:

you are eating the rainforest
- yes I know you don't care-
but maybe your children will

 

[frank-germany]

maybe you do not know that the rainforest is the main source of AIR we all breath on earth
and a filter for the mild clima we have on earth


that is what we are destoying