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According to http://nic.us/policies/docs/ustld_nexus_requirements.pdf Nexus category 3, we can buy .us domains if we have bona fide.

hmmm.. i have bought webhosting with Hostgator from United states.

I have also sold and buy domains using paypal under the US law.

Everyday I use namecheap and godaddy to buy domains.

Everyday I surf the namepros forum, buy and sell domains here.

LOL, is that acceptable as bona fide with United States ? hehe

So can I buy .us domains ?
 
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I'm an EU citizen and have one .us domain.
It is soley used to provide an email service to American people- I've had no problems registering or owning it.
 
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Thanks for the feedback Sid, rep added.
 
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Here is the nexus rule with probably keywords highlighted as would probably be interpreted in a legal situation:

3.A foreign entity or organization that has a bona fide presence in the United States of America or any of its possessions or territories [Nexus Category 3].

Prospective Registrants will certify that they have a โ€œbona fide presence in the United Statesโ€ on the basis of real and substantial lawful connections with, or lawful activities in, the United States of America. This requirement is intended to ensure that only those individuals or organizations that have a substantive lawful connection to the United States are permitted to register for usTLD domain names...

Category 3 Nexus Certification
Prospective Registrants will certify compliance with Category 3 Nexus based upon substantial lawful contacts with, or lawful activities in, the United States. Factors that should be considered in determining whether an entity or organization has a bona fide presence in the United States shall include, without limitation, whether such prospective usTLD domain name Registrant:

ยทRegularly performs lawful activities within the United States related to the purposes for which the entity or organization is constituted (e.g., selling goods or providing services to customers, conducting regular training activities, attending conferences), provided such activities are not conducted solely or primarily to permit it to register for a usTLD domain name and are lawful under the laws and regulations of the United States and satisfy policies for the usTLD, including policies approved and/or mandated by the DoC;

ยทMaintains an office or other facility in the United States for a lawful business, noncommercial, educational or governmental purpose, and not solely or primarily to permit it to register for a usTLD domain name.

Technically, to meet the above requirements, selling on a US domain forum or buying names from a US registrar would not give you legal nexus. To truly have nexus you have to "legally" do business in the U.S., which means having a tax ID number or physical presence. I don't think buying or selling to or from US business would be considered "substantial" or "within" the United States IF it ever was contested. However, outsiders do register .us domains all the time without problems because of sparse enforcement or because no one reports or contests it. For a domain at $100 or so, it probably won't ever be contested. However, for a larger amounts, it could be worth the IRS going after unreported income derived from a .us domain (or the domain as an asset) by a non US company or person...Or for a US company or person to challenge the nexus in order to gain ownership.

As a US citizen, I don't meet the nexus requirements for .ca, .eu, or many other ccTLD's and therefore don't push the limit by buying ones with a nexus requirement I don't have. Some others do so without problems, but risk that someday it will be enforced. I guess it boils down to your sense of risk and ethics.
 
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Sid said:
I'm an EU citizen and have one .us domain.
It is soley used to provide an email service to American people- I've had no problems registering or owning it.


So you registered it yourself or did someone else in the us register it for you?
 
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Dont worry about it, its totally unenforceable and a ridiculous rule anyway.

Wanna buy a .US domain and worried about nexus, go use the DNOA domain privacy - available right here on this site
 
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Chuck_Fickens said:
Dont worry about it, its totally unenforceable and a ridiculous rule anyway.

Wanna buy a .US domain and worried about nexus, go use the DNOA domain privacy - available right here on this site


Yea that is true. it kinda is a silly rule and if we would just use the privcay like you stated than no one would no. so nvm then i really dont care i guess i can register one then, but like if that dosent work you can always have someone who is located in the us register you one then you just buy it from them.
 
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Chuck_Fickens said:
Dont worry about it, its totally unenforceable and a ridiculous rule anyway.

Wanna buy a .US domain and worried about nexus, go use the DNOA domain privacy - available right here on this site

You are NOT permitted to use any privacy service on a .us domain per US registry rules. If you do, you are violating the registry agreement and rules. You could therefore could be found as violating the ethics rules of DNOA by doing so if done with willful knowledge of breaking those rules.

I suggest anyone using DNOA privacy for .us domains get your names in compliance right away by removing it.

From the US registry agreement :
6. ACCURACY OF INFORMATION. Registrant hereby certifies that (i) all data provided by Registrant in the domain name registration application is true, correct, up to date and complete (ii) RA will maintain and update, by providing notice to Registrant pursuant to this Agreement, the information contained in the domain name registration application as needed to keep such data true, correct, up to date and complete at all times.

lilbballer27 said:
Yea that is true. it kinda is a silly rule and if we would just use the privcay like you stated than no one would no. so nvm then i really dont care i guess i can register one then, but like if that dosent work you can always have someone who is located in the us register you one then you just buy it from them.

Buying it from them still does not make you in compliance. The registrant must have US nexus and agree to it when they take over the name. A person with US nexus could own it and "rent" it to you under an agreement, but nexus can't be given with a transfer.
 
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AdoptableDomains said:
You are NOT permitted to use any privacy service on a .us domain per US registry rules. If you do, you are violating the registry agreement and rules. You could therefore could be found as violating the ethics rules of DNOA by doing so if done with willful knowledge of breaking those rules.

I suggest anyone using DNOA privacy for .us domains get your names in compliance right away by removing it.

From the US registry agreement :




Buying it from them still does not make you in compliance. The registrant must have US nexus and agree to it when they take over the name. A person with US nexus could own it and "rent" it to you under an agreement, but nexus can't be given with a transfer.


O really?? i didnt no that. Well then its not safe for someone not in the us to register a .us?
 
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If you register a name with DNOA information, that should be fine. You are registering the domain in the name of the organization; kind of like the organization is registering the domain.

Even if I'm wrong, they aren't going to do anything anyways. It's not like they can prove anything about you..
 
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AdoptableDomains said:
I suggest anyone using DNOA privacy for .us domains get your names in compliance right away by removing it.

From the US registry agreement :

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Virtually all ccTLD central registries have an extremely similar set of TOS. And yet people still use proxies without having their domains taken from them.
 
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O so proxies willwork? i never thought to use them
 
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Thanks for the tips everyone. rep added.
 
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Dan said:
If you register a name with DNOA information, that should be fine. You are registering the domain in the name of the organization; kind of like the organization is registering the domain.

Even if I'm wrong, they aren't going to do anything anyways. It's not like they can prove anything about you..

Not very smart advice from a DNOA member. I mention this as chairman of the ethics committee.
:o
 
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Cool, then as chairman of a body that must be regarded as being above reproach you'll understand that consistency and objectivety must be cornerstones of the organisation.

Assuming you are saying that the whois privacy offered by the DNOA does not cover aliens looking to protect their .US registrations, that this also extends to others using the whois protection at DNOA and where their use of such violates a central registry TOS..?? :p

In all seriousness though, the WHOIS protection is a bit of a dilemma for the DNOA - A body that respresents honesty and sincerety actively promoting a service that potentially violates a number of central registry TOS.

Knowing Kenny and the rest of the DNOA boys would want to do everything properly, I wonder if the whois protection service is potentially a banana skin for the DNOA?
 
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I have 2 .us domains and the address of registration is clearly outside the US even the country code...states the other country.
 
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I have brought up the US whois privacy issue with DNOA members before as it is against the intent and policy of the US registry. It is a big issue for an organization founded on ethics to continue to allow. Also, anyone using GoDaddy and likely other registrars has a secondary problem which is that GoDaddy's TOS, separate from the US registry, allows them to cancel the dot US domain if you use a private whois service.
 
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Fundraiser said:
I have brought up the US whois privacy issue with DNOA members before as it is against the intent and policy of the US registry. It is a big issue for an organization founded on ethics to continue to allow. Also, anyone using GoDaddy and likely other registrars has a secondary problem which is that GoDaddy's TOS, separate from the US registry, allows them to cancel the dot US domain if you use a private whois service.

This was discussed last fall and -RJ- noted that real name and email should be used on US domains. That thread is here:
http://www.dnoa.org/members/showthread.php?t=244026

I currently have a thread going in the DNOA board members forum discussing privacy services in general since even registrars and ICANN are taking a second look based on the registerfly incidents.

It is up to domain owners to read the registry agreements they agreed to when registering a name. Neglecting to do so isn't necessarily unethical, it's just a taking too much for granted. Doing so or recommending it when you DO know is when it gets questionable. Hopefully a statement will be posted shortly for those who don't bother to find out the rules on their own. Other than newbies, I think most people do know about the rule from forums, news stories, or statement from the registrars.
 
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Mark,
We are on the same side of this issue so my intent is not to spar with you. I'm glad to read that this was discussed with members (I can't access your link though) and I simply feel it should be as clear as possible to them. I'm glad to see you going after the issue head-on.

Rob
 
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