Undeveloped.com Experience

[JudgeMind]

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

 

[joro001]

New landing pages are converting fine for me so far, I far prefer the old green BIN buttons but the only thing that matters is what converts better and so far I think these new landing pages are doing better. Just IMO as dan will know best what converts better.

 

[Domain Opus]

New landing pages are converting fine for me so far, I far prefer the old green BIN buttons but the only thing that matters is what converts better and so far I think these new landing pages are doing better. Just IMO as dan will know best what converts better.

I think what matters most is a quality of each domain name, the landing page being secondary reason for a conversion.

 

[OIO]

Do anyone here notice the sudden influx of chinese traffics even on domains that are completely irrelevant to them? For example i m getting hits from them on some of my american geos. I m finding it odd and also considering filtering them out.

Any thought please?

 

[Windoms]

@Reza On portfolio page.
When you hover onto a domain, it'll be nice that it highlights the entire row (domain, price, monthly views, etc..).
Just like it does with sedo and afternic.

 

[Windoms]

@Reza being able to select which domain displays a traffic graph would be nice too.
Ticking a box on domain description page that overrides whatever is in settings.

 

[DAN.COM]

@Reza why still no option to add price when adding domain names? I'm adding at once 20-30 domains and its so waste of time to set BIN prices for each one after they are submited, please add such option with ability to choice currency (eur,usd).

Hi Argentum, we have that option since 2017 . In the bulk importer tool, select the option "edit prices" and download the template. Use that template to upload domains with BIN's and your Minimum prices.

 

[carob]

@Reza how do we prevent publication of our sales to the blockchain?

Can find no setting for that. By default that info should not be published, especially if any info is classified as PII under GDPR.

 

[DAN.COM]

@Reza being able to select which domain displays a traffic graph would be nice too.
Ticking a box on domain description page that overrides whatever is in settings.

Thanks for the feedback, we currently do have the option to show only traffic for domains with +100 views but not one to disable the stats per domain.

Hi @Reza

I already asked for that feature couple months ago.

It would be great to have an option to bulk edit rent prices just as we can edit sales prices.
Is that something you’re planning to implement?

Thank you

The rental feature is still being tested and needs refinement. End-users don't feel comfortable renting domains yet. Once this feature results in greater successes for our users we'll dedicate more time on building out features for it.

At the moment, our new Lease to own model is getting most of our attention since that model is proven to be accepted by end-users and is resulting in very valuable additional portfolio liquidity for sellers.

Soon we'll introduce completely revamped for sale pages where the lease to own model takes the main stage on the lander.

 

[DAN.COM]

@Reza how do we prevent publication of our sales to the blockchain?

Can find no setting for that. By default that info should not be published, especially if any info is classified as PII under GDPR.

Hi Carob,

The blockchain explorer only shows the last 20 transactions for transparency purposes. Your buyers need to be able to verify their transactions 24/7 and real-time for trust purposes. Our blockchain is 100% GDPR compliant as we do not store or publish any of your personal information there. We only store your blockchain ID (see your back office) per transaction for legal purposes.

The blockchain will become continuously more important for the legal side of all your deals so disabling it is not an option we're considering offering.

A bit later down the road, we want to allow buyers and sellers even to digitally sign the smart contract themselves. By doing this, transactions are significantly more legalized for buyers and this will result in, for example, fewer cancelations. The entire experience will be visual, with direct links to the explorer where the buyer can verify and look into the smart contract that's now legalized. More on this later.

Kind regards,

Reza

 

[DAN.COM]

Do anyone here notice the sudden influx of chinese traffics even on domains that are completely irrelevant to them? For example i m getting hits from them on some of my american geos. I m finding it odd and also considering filtering them out.

Any thought please?

I wouldn't block them, we're seeing more Chinese buyers and sellers active at DAN.COM so I don't think that traffic is per se bot traffic.

 

[DAN.COM]

@Reza

the point is this

undeveloped was running fine

-never change a winning system-

means the switch to the new system brings in a lot of variables
some of them may bring harm
you don't know yet
as it was untestable


but a new layout
is a superfluous change

and w/o testing
an unnecessary threat
to the performance

We didn't change any real elements on purpose other than the color palette. We're currently working on a complete revamp of all our pages so more heavy changes are incoming. None of the changes are not being tested though, that's not our style. What makes DAN different is that we test every single element we introduce and leave nothing to chance.

 

[DAN.COM]

It verifies that the nameservers inserted in the SOA, NS and where indicated MX records, are not a CNAME

Name Details Test Status
mx.mediadigitali.it. Unresolvable host mx.mediadigitali.it. FAILED

p.s. I have reported this MX issue 2 weeks ago in this thread - it was ignored.
So ask them directly...

We never ignore comments. As mentioned, I wasn't aware of us publishing any MX records. The issue you raised was true after I checked with our guys and one of our developers had introduced those records accidentally and they are removed this week.

 

[DAN.COM]

I removed my background and kept the default white one... looks good and clean imo...

The font color shouldn't have changed for when a background is added, we're fixing this today/tomorrow.

 

[carob]

Hi Carob,

The blockchain explorer only shows the last 20 transactions for transparency purposes.

So you are making public the fact that a domain has sold, the name of the domain, and a unique seller ID.

Is a unique buyer ID published?

Have you considered the implications of people scraping this data?

Have you received consent from buyer and sellers to publish this data? Have your revised your ToS to mention this?

By the way, when I mentioned publishing sales data earlier in this thread, you said that you no longer did as sellers had not liked that, and that consent would be needed from both parties to publish sales.

 

[DAN.COM]

While doing some more testing I realised that the reason custom backgrounds are seemingly overly compressed isn't that at all. They are in fact being resized to a maximum of 500 pixels in height and then using the cover attribute to have your web browser stretch the image to the required size. Resulting in the blurry compressed look you see on larger resolution displays.

And then I came to notice that it does kind of mention this in the information tooltip where you upload your custom banner image but, I bet that hasn't stopped only myself in reading that to mean that we can use larger images as long as they don't exceed the filesize limit. As it doesn't mention that the images we use will be resized in proportion to these 1280x500 (w x h) maximum dimensions.

Examples:

A 1920x1080 image will become 750x500

I then started cropping to try and help with the quality but never realised that these were also being resized:

A 1920x800 image will become 1200x500
A 1920x600 image will become 1280x400
A 1600x500 image will become 1200x400
and so on...

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So if you want your backgrounds to retain their quality (after all they say up to 2MB maximum filesize allowed), crop your image as best you can from its original size to have 1280 pixels in width and 500 pixels in height.

...doesn't hurt to add a little blur to it either.

Feel free to share your background with the rest of the community here. It looks great on the landers!

 

[DAN.COM]

So you are making public the fact that a domain has sold, the name of the domain, and a unique seller ID.

Is a unique buyer ID published?

Have you considered the implications of people scraping this data?

Have you received consent from buyer and sellers to publish this data? Have your revised your ToS to mention this?

By the way, when I mentioned publishing sales data earlier in this thread, you said that you no longer did as sellers had not liked that, and that consent would be needed from both parties to publish sales.

Hi Carob, only the domain is shown and the verification hash. Nothing else, your unique blockchain ID is stored in the blockchain but not shared with anyone.

Let me put it this way, we're sharing less information than the public WHOIS database on our ledger.

 

[carob]

Hi Carob, only the domain is shown and the verification hash. Nothing else, your unique blockchain ID is stored in the blockchain but not shared with anyone.

Let me put it this way, we're sharing less information than the public WHOIS database on our ledger.

Yes so anyone can build up a database of domains sold by one ID. And if a domain has WHOIS privacy enabled, change of ownership does not show there. So you are publishing more data than would otherwise be the case. Change of ownership itself can be significant for trademark or UDRP issues.

I repeat, have you got the consent of both buyer and seller for publishing this info?

 

[wizard]

@Reza is this going to be changed in the future?

@Reza will this be added yes or no ?

 

[DAN.COM]

Yes so anyone can build up a database of domains sold by one ID. And if a domain has WHOIS privacy enabled, change of ownership does not show there. So you are publishing more data than would otherwise be the case. Change of ownership itself can be significant for trademark or UDRP issues.

I repeat, have you got the consent of both buyer and seller for publishing this info?

I have to repeat, again, that what you're insinuating is not possible. Nobody, other than you and DAN are aware of your blockchain ID. And yes, you give consent for us to handle transactions in the manner we do accroding to our TOS.

Showing a change of ownership has occurred, also introduces no trademark or UDRP issues according to my 10+ years in the industry. Our legal advisors also have looked at what we do and how we do it. That's why the launch of DAN was delayed because we had to start from scratch halfway the project due to GDRP.

We stripped out all sensitive information and designed a completely new way of handling transactions.

I understand that change always introduces friction for existing users but we can not change anything in the market if we stick to old processes.

 

[DAN.COM]

Undeveloped is my #1, But I wanna see it more better in the future so I recommend these two:

A way to accumulate earnings (Since my sales are in $$ range, I have to atleast accumulate it till it reach $500 for a wire transfer)

And secondly, Your own domain registrar. That's real #Automation.

Anyways, Big Up Bros.

Who would sell my names for $30 and transfer funds to my Bitcoin? None but #Dan.com!

Our own registrar is already built and will be launched in 2019 . The other proposal will also be introduced bit later down the road but some hurdles have to be overcome first.