TheDomainInvestors.com and DomainSecondhand.com is a scam

[URLZ4SALE]

For SEO and search engine purposes, let me restate that for the benefit of the community at large.

DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
DomainSecondhand.com is a scam
"Human hand appraisals"
William Quigley (fake name) is a domain scammer
[email protected] is a scammer email address
Shirley M. Leurquin is a scam name
509-271-0875 is a scam phone number
This is a scam page: domaintalk.ourplace.com



Domain name: domainsecondhand.com?
Registrant Contact:
Perfect Privacy LLC
http://perfectprivacy.com
1.4042608491
Fax: +1.4042608493
303 Peachtree Center Ave
Atlanta, GA 30303

http://www.namepros.com/warnings-and-alerts/368466-scam-me-allen_asch-toughguy-net.html

http://snipurl.com/1ufn0

If you have been scammed by DomainSecondhand.com, dispute your changes to your credit card company immediately. Check the back of your card for the phone number. It usually takes 48 hours to process. Report it to your credit buereu if you gave them your credit card number!

If you have been SCAMMED BY DomainSecondhand.com, PLEASE contact their current payment processor at PLIMUS and let them know.

[email protected]
[email protected]

Also, contact their hosting company
[email protected]

THIS ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN SCAMMING PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND IT IS A BIG OPERATION. THIS IS NOT JUST ONE GUY. PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS INTO OTHER FORUMS. TOGETHER WE CAN SHUT THESE GUYS DOWN.

 

[nndadameah]

I've also received this type of email just this morning.

I was quite surprised when the offer price by the email is SO MUCH HIGHER than the original offer price that I quoted to them.

Now the email is from George Hamilton ([email protected]). Same email contents as above.

 

[-NC-]

Don't think this has been mentioned yet in this thread, so just for the sake of anyone reading who doesn't already know:

This scam is in no way limited to domainsecondhand.com. Basically, ANY email you get that asks YOU to pay for an appraisal is a scam. Tell them to buy their own appraisal.

 

[jon2nd]

Hi Guys
Had an email along the same lines today just with a different email address.
Don't think i'm going to reply.
I may or may not have changed the end of his email,i can only hope that he doesn't try to sue me for Defamation of character.:lol:

regards jon


Hello,

Our company invests in Internet projects and domain names. What is your
price for the domain name?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Jeffrey Burnstein

CEO

Second Hand Domain & Web Site Investing & Reselling
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information that is for the sole use of ripping you off. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately so i can add you
to my list of people to scam at a later date.
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[ran_doank]

help

What this??

A few minutes ago,i look at awstats, & i see traffic coming From
domainsecondhand.com

When I go there.. Its Showing My Site!! My site is dndboard.com, i look at the source, and They Iframing my site!!

--
Update:
i Inject some JS Code to prevent iframe, But thats not solve the problem, Can Some one give me suggestion plz?

 

[bladel]

Just got him today

Just received today, Pretty active little bugger, but I wanted to share to add to the list of aliases.

Hello,

Our company invests in Internet projects and domain names. What is your
price for the domain name?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Scott Withrow
CEO
Domain Investing & Reselling

Later offered $5k with the standard requirement of appraisal.

I countered that he was welcome to submit a binding offer at Sedo.com, and that any appraisal was part of his due diligence, and not something I (as the seller) would do or pay for.

 

[iaintaylor]

Hi All,

He is on a roll with the above email and name "Scott Withrow". Great commentary from all on this scam. Just received the same email as above.

I was suspicious by the lack of a legit contact details in his signature, and there not be a legit site to back this up. Always good to have a conversation with the person. This will filter legit offers.

My reply: "Thanks for your email. Domain name is not for sale, I am actually developing it myself."

I'll keep you all posted on any subsequent reply.

Cheers
Iain

 

[lsl4]

I Got This One Today

[email protected]

Hello,

Our company invests in Internet projects and domain names. What is your
price for the domain name?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Scott Withrow

CEO

The first tip off for me was the fact that domainsecondhand.com is just a parked page deal. Then I did a internet search and arrived here.

 

[Mumbleboy]

Same exact Emails. Word for word.

Wow-ee,

I got exactly the same emails, word for word from this Domainsecondhand. The person gave the name Scott Withrow.

He said they were looking for domains. Offered $5000 for 7 names but wanted them appraised at the place he suggested. "ResearchAppraisals" (He didn't trust anyone else). That's what put the red flag up for me because he said he didn't trust Sedo, and he didn't trust GoDaddy. He kept referring me to "ResearchAppraisals" to get the appraisals. I would suggest another and he always came back to "ResearchAppraisals" to do it. It just smelled fishy that he didn't trust Sedo or GoDaddy.

Sedo has one of the most extensive appraisals around and he still insisted that I go to the place he suggested.

Glad I found this posting, it would have run over $300 to get 7 names done.:o

 

[7apj]

Domainsecondhand.com. Where are they getting our info?

Hey everybody. I'm not much of a detective, but yesterday I did a search for "sell domains" and chose a place called ImpressiveDomains.com. I only signed up with them and listed the name that I was contacted about. May be just a coincidence but if anybody else listed there, it may be a red flag.

 

[noy.com]

Got an email from DomainSecondhand.com as well.

I immediately knew it was scam, when they proposed a specific appraisal "company" and gave me a link to a "forum" which is not a forum in reality. Just a fake one-pager.

Then I did IP check on the email and it turned out to be from Russia. Then I used Google Translate to write him in Russian and ask how is the weather in Russia nowadays? ) Did not hear from him ever since.

 

[Notafool]

I recieved this email below and I might even follow through with it. If not I know I scared the crap out them. Else they wouldn't even respond anymore.



Full ViewRe: (edited) (sent 12/07/09)
From: (edited) Add to Contacts
To: Withrow withrow@domainsecondhand

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I would suggest you contact legal council because I intend to file suite for the contract amount you offered.

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From: Withrow <[email protected]>
To: (edited)
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 1:21:32 AM
Subject: Re: (edited) (sent 12/07/09)


It's a big risk to proceed without professional valuation. I already spoke
to industry experts and they prohibited me to do business without
valuation..

Without manual valuation nobody will buy. You'll sit on your domain for
years in this case, paying renewal fees to your registrar. Just think about
it. So sooner or later, you'll have to obtain an appraisal. Why waste time
now?

As a seller, you can use a valuation certificate to sell names to other
buyers. I cannot do the same because I don't keep control over your domain.

I'm still interested in your domain. Hope you'll change your position. I
simply don't want to take additional risks.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: (edited)
To: Withrow
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: (edited)(sent 12/07/09)


Mr. Withrow,

Its the responsiblity of the purchaser to have evaluated the value of the product prior to offer of purchase. I consider your written offer from you the purchaser had followed through with your evaluations of the product prior to an offer.

Please send the amount offered to the invoice via paypal. If the monies are not deposited in three business days the matter will be handled by my legal council.

Thanks,

(edited)




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From: Withrow <[email protected]>
To: (edited)
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 4:30:04 PM
Subject: Re: (edited) (sent 12/07/09)


It's a standard practice to show independent valuation to buyers/resellers.
Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and have no intention
of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:
domainexplorer . org/Archive-09-2009/91637524.htm

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: (edited)
To: Withrow
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: (edited) (sent 12/07/09)


Mr. Withrow,

I except the offer you have provided. I will send you an invoice from paypal to this email.


Thanks,

(edited)





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From: Withrow <[email protected]>
To: (edited)
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 2:30:55 AM
Subject: Re: (edited) (sent 12/07/09)



Can you accept 5,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
domainexplorer . org/Archive-09-2009/91637524.htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
----- Original Message -----
From: (edited)
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: (edited) (sent 12/07/09)


Scott,

Feel free to make an offer. This is site was used as a computer reselling site. I've moved on to other venture and this URL doesn't fit the new company.

Thanks,

(edited)




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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: (edited)
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 7:14:51 AM
Subject: (edited)

Hello,

Our company invests in Internet projects and domain names. What is your
price for the domain name?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Scott Withrow

CEO

Domain Investing & Reselling
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
========================================================

 

[Gene]

Unfortunately, they know enough to NOT make an offer. They simply asked you: "Can you accept 5,000 USD?". That's still in the negotiation stage (if it were real). If they stated "I will buy your domain for $5,000", that would be an offer.

 

[lsufanatic26]

Domainssecondhand.com= scam !!!

I'm glad that I found this thread before I fell for the scam !!!!!
I see that they are using a different name too.
Thanks for exposing these people.
I hope this will help anyone else.

BELOW ARE THE EMAIL CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THEM AND I......


Re: xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)
From: Bortfeld <[email protected]>View Contact
To: >


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Sedo is a good broker and we can use it for transfer/transaction.
Unfortunately , Sedo is not acceptable as an appraiser because your names
are listed with them and they are not independent. They are interested in
earning 10% commission on every sale. I need appraisals from a company
which is not interested in selling your domains.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Bortfeld
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: xxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)


I have ordered a Evaluation of the domain name. I should receive it in 3 days.
As soon as I receive the email I will forward it to you.
I am using Home*-*Sedo.com as a broker. would you rather use www.escrow.com or some other ?
I have other names for sell also.
I look forward to doing further business with you.






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From: Bortfeld <[email protected]>
To: >
Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 12:30:58 AM
Subject: Re: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)


It's a standard practice to show independent valuation to buyers/resellers.
Nobody will do business without it. I'm a businessman and have no intention
of changing rules which help both parties to avoid additional risks.

Of course, investors never take into account auto-generated valuations. So
manual valuation is a "must" too.

I read the following information about appraisals at:

domainexplorer . org/ Archive-09-2009/91462735.htm

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.


----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Bortfeld
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)




Hello,

5,000 USD is a good starting offer.
It is only the domain name. There is not a website with the name.
Before I can evaluate the domain name, I need to know how serious you are about buying the name.
The money I spend will have to be recouped somehow.
I too am willing to negoteate. I accept Paypal payment.
Please respond A.S.A.P. about your offer.

Thanks


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From: Bortfeld <[email protected]>
To: >
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 4:41:19 PM
Subject: Re: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)



Can you accept 5,000 USD?

Do you sell domain with a web site or just the name?

Domain without content is ok with me. Web site is not necessary.

Have you had your domain names evaluated in the past? I mean domain appraisals. Without valuation we cannot be sure in the sale price. It's very important for me in terms of reselling too. But we must engage a valuation company with REAL manual service. So I will only accept valuations from independent sources I and my partners trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies.

Please check this blog with suggestions from other sellers and buyers:
domainexplorer . org/Archive-09-2009/91462735 .htm

If, for example, the valuation comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. It will be fair. I also hope you can give me 12% - 15% discount.

After you send me the valuation via email (usually it takes 1-2 days to obtain it) we'll continue our negotiations.

What is your preferred payment method: Escrow.com, International wire transfer, PayPal.com or something else?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)


Hello,

I have all the information about the domains for sell at Home*-*Sedo.com.
If you have any question please feel free to post it.
I also see that you don't have a website. I would like to have more information on your business.

Thanks






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From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Wed, December 9, 2009 11:29:39 AM
Subject: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com (sent 12/09/09)

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web prjects. What is your price for the
domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Joseph Bortfeld

President

Domain Investing & Reselling
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged
information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by
unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message
and deleting it from your computer.
========================================================

 

[burgerbaron]

dominaseconhand

Got this today looked fishy as soon as i read projects being spelled as prjects. maybe some kind of subconcious eye trick to get me to respond.lol

Hello,

We buy and sell domains and web prjects. What is your price for the domain?

If you have other domains for sale feel free to send your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Joseph Bortfeld

President

Domain Investing & Reselling
========================================================
NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer.
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[Mathieu_rz]

here is the scammer info name address and phone number

Greetings!

Actually I've received the same email from this scammer and I found it fishy so I've decided to do a research so I've found this thread and I've read it ...and after doing more reserch in my own I've finally found the complete details of this stupid scambag , I'm giving you this info so for any who got scammed he can use this info to sue him or even to scare the hell out of him lol :P

Full name : Iqbal Ranil

[email protected]

Address: prada utama I lr.mutiara 11
banda aceh, NAD 23115
Indonesia

Phone Number :+628126951911

 

[Edmunds]

Just got this one as well. The same emails, word for word.

His email address was [email protected] and name was Bortfeld.

The website he directed me to is
http://www.domainexplorer.org/Archive-09-2009/91462735.htm

Which pushes http://www.researchappraisals.com/

researchappraisals.com is a scam

 

[strine domains]

DomainSecondhand.com is a scam

Thanks for the tip off. I have just received a second email from this guy Bortfeld asking me to collaborate with him. I shall not be replying. Is this the best thing to do?

Strine domains

 

[LbR]

LOL asked him 50k :D

 

[The Domainiac]

I too received an email from DomainSecondhand.com last week. This is the first time I had ever received one of these scam emails, but I knew right away it wasn't legit. To make sure, I came here and did a search for it. Sure enough here it is laid out nicely for me to read about.

My email was perhaps a little more harsh then most as I replied with "Get f*cked, scammer." Haven't heard from them since.

 

[ran_doank]

My Response For Mathieu_RZ

Greetings!

Actually I've received the same email from this scammer and I found it fishy so I've decided to do a research so I've found this thread and I've read it ...and after doing more reserch in my own I've finally found the complete details of this stupid scambag , I'm giving you this info so for any who got scammed he can use this info to sue him or even to scare the hell out of him lol :P

Full name : Iqbal Ranil

ranyliq /at/ gmail.com

Address: prada utama I lr.mutiara 11
banda aceh, NAD 23115
Indonesia

Phone Number :+628126951911

First, Thank you Dear Sir(s), Madam(s).. excellent research!! awesome!! 1 Post and Bangg..
But..let me clarify something..

I am the owner of DNDBOARD.COM. Check the site and then (view the source)
And Now, please visit the scammer on this thread at Domainsecondhand.com (then check the source) . Please, check it out!

See the difference? Man, You should understand what is "frames" mean .. If the scammer(Domainsecondhand.com) fram-ing google.. im sure you will put google email and phone number..

Please, go back to previous page on this thread and see my post there.. "Domainsecondhand.com Framing My Site"..

And Now My question, You List My Name There.. That's Mean you accuse Me.. can you Tell me what is your methods and step until you can tell That i'm the scammer?

Mathieu_rz, You have demand to sue Me?
My answer: As long Im not doing something wrong,scamming people,kill people etc,etc.. I am Ready..

BTW, I can see you thread @ DP also:
a.Domain Appraisee's
b.scammer alert - [email protected]

You must really proud.. Thank you for your entertainment.