The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[GILSAN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1324691019955380226

Twitter... a two-faced snake...

 

[Joe N]

That's great. Just going through it with my own kids, and trying alternative ideas like "Democratic" Schools where the kids decide what they want to do. It all needs to be questions, and the subject matters being taught are just scratching the surface.

Why do kids go 5 days a week. Why not 3? Why not whenever they feel like? Why do they go at all? Why do they go all day? While are all kids the same age all grouped together? Why isn't there more mixing of ages? Why do they use traditional classrooms, the kids lined up in rows? Why are kids forced to learn what they don't want, which pretty much ensures they will lose interest and learn very little?

I have heard it described as throwing spaghetti at the wall. It takes years to teach something they could learn in 6 months if they were interested. So they just force it on the kids and hope some of it will stick.

I don't think the system can be reformed without breaking it down to the basics.

And this goes pretty much for banks, taxation, government, police, military, retail and any number of sacred institutions.

Do you not think there's value in learning to complete tasks you don't like, or having to take the time to learn things that don't seem interesting to you?

 

[Domainace]

Here's the butt of the truth, call it what you may, Trump's Education reform mirrors the same patriotic education plan as in communist China.

I don't think DC should have much if any say over education.

The butt of the truth is that all of Washington, the news media and the entertainment world practice the same kind of patriotic nationalism that the CCP does. Forget the schools. Look at all the TV shows and movies, financed and aided by the CIA, FBI and other secretive organizations, that portray the CIA and FBI (DEA, Homeland Security, etc.) as great American heroes and patriots.

If this is your concern, you can expect more of this under Biden and Harris - because they are more in the pocket of the military-industrial giants than Trump ever was.

Americans are simply brainwashed to think that secret police apparatuses like the KGB are good things if they are American. They think America has troops in 100 countries to protect them. They think America is always in league with the good guys. They think that it's normal for half of the male population to be arrested at some point in their life. That it's OK for police to crack heads if somebody isn't nice to them. Or to tazer people who don't move fast enough for them.

In short, they think it's OK that the people their taxes support use that money to rule over them like royalty over serfs.

Rant over

 

[sonatime]

Why was I singled out to watch this? Just wondering.

Your posts read like a critical race theory course with some gender intersectionality thrown in but I am only guessing

 

[GILSAN]

Why was I singled out to watch this? Just wondering.

Just watch it and stop asking questions. If you don't want to watch it, I don't care!

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

You care. Joe, dont try and rationalize with fanatics. i would rather live in an igloo than have trump as my leader

 

[Domainace]

Do you not think there's value in learning to complete tasks you don't like, or having to take the time to learn things that don't seem interesting to you?

I have mixed feelings about that. It works for some. But it would 100 times much better if one waited until kids saw a reason to learn. Or was able to convey why they might want to learn it.

Kids might not like math, and prefer to skateboard. But when they decide they want to build a skateboard course, they will need to learn math and geometry. And they will learn it fast because they see the value in it.

The sorry facts are that most kids are not learning the things they don't like. I am hard-pressed to see what value they are getting out of 12 years. At best, they come out knowing things that could have been taught in one year or two under better circumstances.

 

[Cannuck]

That's great. Just going through it with my own kids, and trying alternative ideas like "Democratic" Schools where the kids decide what they want to do. It all needs to be questions, and the subject matters being taught are just scratching the surface.

Why do kids go 5 days a week. Why not 3? Why not whenever they feel like? Why do they go at all? Why do they go all day? While are all kids the same age all grouped together? Why isn't there more mixing of ages? Why do they use traditional classrooms, the kids lined up in rows? Why are kids forced to learn what they don't want, which pretty much ensures they will lose interest and learn very little?

I have heard it described as throwing spaghetti at the wall. It takes years to teach something they could learn in 6 months if they were interested. So they just force it on the kids and hope some of it will stick.

I don't think the system can be reformed without breaking it down to the basics.

And this goes pretty much for banks, taxation, government, police, military, retail and any number of sacred institutions.

I won't get into details. The one-size-fits-all model doesn't work. Music is as important as Mathematics. No pressure to learn when motivated. My children collectively speak a dozen languages fluently (hate speech is not one of them) I think that speaks volumes...

 

[Domainace]

oe, dont try and rationalize with fanatics. i would rather live in an igloo than have trump as my leader

The president is not supposed to be a leader, but a civil servant. People have forgotten that, and that's a big part of the problem.

 

[Joe N]

Your posts read like a critical race theory course with some gender intersectionality thrown in but I am only guessing

Just watch it and stop asking questions. If you don't want to watch it, I don't care!

Do you guys ever stop going on the attack? If I say that you win and I lose, can we move on and actually discuss stuff?

 

[GILSAN]

Do you guys ever stop going on the attack? If I say that you win and I lose, can we move on and actually discuss stuff?

It's almost 5 AM here... Off to bed!

 

[Cannuck]

Do you guys ever stop going on the attack? If I say that you win and I lose, can we move on and actually discuss stuff?

...

 

[sonatime]

Do you guys ever stop going on the attack? If I say that you win and I lose, can we move on and actually discuss stuff?

I wasn't completely joking, it was an honest assessment of some of your posts.
Anyways, some ideas have to be indoctrinated into society, they are not some evident truths that were simply overlooked during the history of civilization.

 

[Joe N]

I have mixed feelings about that. It works for some. But it would 100 times much better if one waited until kids saw a reason to learn. Or was able to convey why they might want to learn it.

Kids might not like math, and prefer to skateboard. But when they decide they want to build a skateboard course, they will need to learn math and geometry. And they will learn it fast because they see the value in it.

The sorry facts are that most kids are not learning the things they don't like. I am hard-pressed to see what value they are getting out of 12 years. At best, they come out knowing things that could have been taught in one year or two under better circumstances.

At some point I think kids need to struggle through class material that repulses them, and see that they can still succeed because they put in the effort. Those life lessons are crucial.

I think the reality is that a large chunk of the benefit in those 12 years comes from the social learning and extracurricular opportunities. In a lot of ways, being in a community of peers has more value than the actual lessons.

I'm not sure what the answer is. The system needs reforming, but how is that done without more funding? And how do you make sure each kid is getting equitable treatment and access, while not having that impede other kids?

 

[Domainace]

Do you guys ever stop going on the attack?

Joe, I think you are a bit thin-skinned for a guy who lives in an igloo. It's a political discussion, and they have't called you stupid, or racist or a pedo or a liar, or some of the other disgusting things that have been tossed around here. I don't see either of the comments you quoted as an attack.

Anybody defending Trump or the Republicans gets attacked and accused of the worst things on a regular basis. I think you are just not aware of that, being as your views seem fairly mainstream these days.

 

[Cannuck]

If this is your concern, you can expect more of this under Biden and Harris - because they are more in the pocket of the military-industrial giants than Trump ever was.

We agree on a number of points, and I won't disagree with you on the above. You know where my vote would go, but that would just be considered a wasted vote under the current system.

Anyways, some ideas have to be indoctrinated into society, they are not some evident truths that were simply overlooked during the history of civilization.

It's one thing to indoctrinate, another thing to assimilate...the votes are already cast, no need to prove anything.

 

[King]

Not as weird as Liberals.... by FAR...

MY EYEESSS

 

[Joe N]

I wasn't completely joking, it was an honest assessment of some of your posts.
Anyways, some ideas have to be indoctrinated into society, they are not some evident truths that were simply overlooked during the history of civilization.

It's not an assessment. It's your biased opinion. It's an attempt to belittle me.

You guys shit all over the media for stifling non-liberal views and then you turn around and shit on someone who comes in here and expresses an opinion you don't like. Come on... be better than that.

To be honest the video was really interesting and worth discussing, but I'm pretty soured on that now.

 

[Domainace]

At some point I think kids need to struggle through class material that repulses them, and see that they can still succeed because they put in the effort. Those life lessons are crucial.

Perhaps. But there are many ways to learn that. And many, many kids find themselves at a permanent disadvantage because that same system taught them they were stupid. It focuses on what a child can't do, while maybe never discovering what the child can. The life lesson there is exactly the opposite of the one you want.

I think the reality is that a large chunk of the benefit in those 12 years comes from the social learning and extracurricular opportunities. In a lot of ways, being in a community of peers has more value than the actual lessons.

This is usually the among the first arguments people come up with. First it assumes that life lessons and extracurricular opportunities are best found in schools. Just the opposite, many kids have no time for extracurricular opportunities because they spend so much time at school. The social learning taught at schools is also highly questionable. Kids are taught to obey, about peer pressure, how to fit in with mob. And confining them to peers in their own age group is extremely limiting, and inhibits learning. Not to mention, it's an unnatural way of existing.

I'm not sure what the answer is. The system needs reforming, but how is that done without more funding? And how do you make sure each kid is getting equitable treatment and access, while not having that impede other kids?

There has not been a whole lot of convincing evidence that funding improves education. It's not the significant factor schools claim it to be. Of course they want more money. Who doesn't? And teachers should be well paid, especially good teachers. Meanwhile, how much of that funding goes into wasteful programs and useless administrators?

Equitable access is another issue. It's difficult. All kids have different needs, different aptitudes and different ways of approaching learning, etc. Suffice to say that the schools as they currently are have not addressed that issue in the least. So I don't see the harm in trying something new.

 

[Joe N]

Joe, I think you are a bit thin-skinned for a guy who lives in an igloo. It's a political discussion, and they have't called you stupid, or racist or a pedo or a liar, or some of the other disgusting things that have been tossed around here. I don't see either of the comments you quoted as an attack.

Anybody defending Trump or the Republicans gets attacked and accused of the worst things on a regular basis. I think you are just not aware of that, being as your views seem fairly mainstream these days.

It's not about thin skin. It's about making things personal instead of focusing on the issue at hand. What's gained by mocking my views on gender?

You say I'm too sensitive. I say you guys have gotten too used to putting people down. Don't fall into that online trap.

You even did it yourself just now without knowing it. "You are just not aware..."