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I haven't read the new NY law, but what I heard on TV was allowing abortions up to nearly birth? If so, that is complete lunacy- unbelievably inhumane and disgusting if true. Even EU countries don't allow past 90 days.

As explained to me, up to birth, health of the mother includes emotional health and determination can be made by a nurse practitioner. Pretty low requirements.
 
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Buhbye Roger. Finally - that stonedefensefund site that he set up a while ago might get some action. Wonder if heโ€™ll flip?

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Visit RogerStoneDefenseFund to help.

Hmm...muy interesante - they have texts. Did nobody in that clown car have a clue about secure communications?!
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If youโ€™re keeping count, now 45โ€™s campaign manager, his deputy campaign manager, his lead attorney, his lead advisor and his National Security Advisor have all either been indicted or convicted.

Also news today that Carl Kline was overruling career security specialists and granting top security clearances to Kushner and others who failed to meet background requirements. Brilliant!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ret-security-clearance-were-overruled-n962221

POTUS tweetstorm in 5...4...3...2...

Meanwhile yesterday a 21 yr old white guy shot and killed 5 people in a bank.
How many would be immigrants stormed the border yesterday and killed people?
That would be zero.
Just sayinโ€™
 
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I haven't read the new NY law, but what I heard on TV was allowing abortions up to nearly birth? If so, that is complete lunacy- unbelievably inhumane and disgusting if true. Even EU countries don't allow past 90 days.

Since when do you believe what you see on TV?

I havenโ€™t read it yet either, but use some common sense - nobodyโ€™s going to do that on a whim. If the language of the bill allows that, itโ€™s probably to ensure that the life of the mother (and possibly a healthy twin) arenโ€™t jeopardized on a legal loophole if something goes horribly wrong late-term.
 
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Sorry, mr-x. I am so accustomed to arguing with Kate, I was surprised to read her post something that I agreed with 100%.

If the republic is working as designed, then there is a design flaw that allows systemic corruption. I doubt the founding fathers would say it is working as designed. They would be shocked at the government overreach, massive taxes without representation and the suspension of rights. The constitution has long since become obsolete, sadly. Heck, even Eisenhower would be shocked.

I think your right that the human authors of our Gov would be shocked at the autonomy and authority states have given up to the federal Gov..

But, the American Revolution was against an unfair, corrupt monarchy. American founders understood the human condition, were well educated in Christian and libertine values. Hence, a flexible, hard to control republic designed to give states autonomy, while granting limited power to federal Gov authority.

They wanted to protect America from both a monarchy and unlimited democracy and did a pretty good job. Unfortunately, there is no human government that is not vulnerable to bad leadership and corruption. We have some of the best check and balances on power in the modern world.

Today the threat to freedom is from the left. We have communist OAC, Ilhan Omar and others who are darlings of a corrupt, progressive media. Identity politics exploits peoples resentment and seems to encourage racism and self-victimization.

We have a President who thrives on chaos, a corrupt media that thrives on chaos, two decades of war. All in all, I'm surprised were doing this well.

Yes, the media and other influencers are dividing the nation. Which is why it's not so simple just to blame the left. The so-called right is in the game as well, talking out of both sides of their mouths.

The US has been at war for two decades, indeed. Isn't that a disgrace? How is that different from Orwell's perpetual war in 1984? Who is the war against exactly? Where is the front? The answers seem to be potentially anyone and anywhere. It is a limitless "war" with no defined objectives - but serves as a great excuse to strip away the rights of the citizenry (and to make money for the defense and security industry and their pet politicians).

Sure AOC is a nutter. But I don't hear anyone on the right decrying the 24-hour surveillance state or out-of-control government except Rand Paul. And people think he is a nutter for doing so. At least the Chinese know what kind of government they have - they are not out lecturing the world about how free they are.

Surveillance state is more like corporate surveillance. Have a conversations about a product, then see ads for that product. We happily carry a surveillance device. Even if you leave your phone turned off in the other room, the person your talking with is probably carrying a phone, or you're TV is listening.
 
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Since when do you believe what you see on TV?

I havenโ€™t read it yet either, but use some common sense - nobodyโ€™s going to do that on a whim. If the language of the bill allows that, itโ€™s probably to ensure that the life of the mother (and possibly a healthy twin) arenโ€™t jeopardized on a legal loophole if something goes horribly wrong late-term.

That what a c-section is for. BTW, abortion isn't birth control, it's killing a human baby.
 
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So how did the bank shooter fall through the cracks?

"The shootings were not a shock to Alex Gerlach, who identified herself as Xaver's former girlfriend. She said he's long been fascinated with the idea of killing, but no one took her warnings about him seriously. For some reason, he "always hated people and wanted everybody to die," Gerlach told WSBT-TV in South Bend, Indiana, near his former home in Plymouth, Indiana.

"He got kicked out of school for having a dream that he killed everybody in his class, and he's been threatening this for so long, and he's been having dreams about it and everything," she said. "Every single person I've told has not taken it seriously, and it's very unfortunate that it had to come to this."

Gerlach told The Washington Post that Xaver said he purchased a gun last week and "no one thought anything of it" because he had always liked guns."​

Plenty of red flags there. Sounds like people should have "taken this seriously" long ago. Poster child for someone who shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun.

https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/ap-news/police-say-florida-bank-attack-killed-5-was-random-act
 
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So how did the bank shooter fall through the cracks?

"The shootings were not a shock to Alex Gerlach, who identified herself as Xaver's former girlfriend. She said he's long been fascinated with the idea of killing, but no one took her warnings about him seriously. For some reason, he "always hated people and wanted everybody to die," Gerlach told WSBT-TV in South Bend, Indiana, near his former home in Plymouth, Indiana.

"He got kicked out of school for having a dream that he killed everybody in his class, and he's been threatening this for so long, and he's been having dreams about it and everything," she said. "Every single person I've told has not taken it seriously, and it's very unfortunate that it had to come to this."

Gerlach told The Washington Post that Xaver said he purchased a gun last week and "no one thought anything of it" because he had always liked guns."​
Plenty of red flags there. Sounds like people should have "taken this seriously" long ago. Poster child for someone who shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun.

https://1010wins.radio.com/articles/ap-news/police-say-florida-bank-attack-killed-5-was-random-act
Yeah, but, but, but... It was the gun's fault!

He just happened to be carrying it when it decided to go off on it's own and kill all those people.
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(Not picking on you entylend. I'm just being cranky this morning. Your article -- and highlighting -- shows that it wasn't the gun's fault.)

NOTE: I was already (slightly) editing my comment to entylend above when he posted his response further down. I didn't want my comment to suggest that he was blaming the gun. I knew he was pointing out the many red flags that had or may have been raised about the "alleged" shooter prior to the event.

My sarcasm was directed at those that blame guns for all shootings.
 
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Rodger Stone arrested, CNN tipped off and waiting outside his house an hour before the arrest.

Why didn't Muller let Stone surrender? Unless he wants to damage the President.
 
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Yeah, but, but, but... It was the gun's fault!

He just happened to be carrying it when it decided to go off on it's own and kill all those people.
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(Not picking on you entylend. I'm just being cranky this morning.)

Everyoneโ€™s cranky sometimes. This thread is as good a place to act it out as any...

I didnโ€™t say it was the guns fault, but with his history of red flag behavior that guy shouldnโ€™t have been allowed to buy one. Probably should have had some kind of psychiatric intervention.

Very concerning that nobody would listen to the girlfriendโ€™s warnings, unless she just wasnโ€™t telling the right people. If thatโ€™s the case, the public needs to be better informed about what to do in a situation like that.
 
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Some clarification of the language in the NY bill, from a NICU nurse - it sounds like people are getting upset about the language and jumping to conclusions without understanding what it means.

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With those definitions in mind, (re)read it.
 
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According to the Times Union, under New Yorkโ€™s previous, 49-year-old law, illegal abortions that took place within the third trimester of pregnancy were categorized as felonies. Those who committed one could receive up to seven years in prison. The Buffalo News reports that, under the old law, late-term abortions were only permitted if they were necessary to save the life of the mother. The new law, however, allows abortions after 24 weeks if they are deemed necessary, not merely to save the motherโ€™s life but also to protect her health.

Mental health, emotional health as determined by who? Nurse? Mid-wife? Dr?


"Another notable aspect of the new bill is that in its explanation of homicide, a โ€œpersonโ€ is defined as โ€œa human being who has been born and is alive"

This law is in direct conflict with reality.
 
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I agree! And THAT was the exact point of my post -- and the counter point to your post and picture.

Sorry... I guess I was wrong in assuming you would recognize and understand this point without me having to explain myself. Carry on.

Be best!
Why should I have to understand your point of view when you don't understand mine? And I really don't need your Liberal explanation for anything... thanks!
 
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Looks like Trump caved.
 
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Looks like Trump caved.

Sort of ... "temporarily" re-opening government...
More like given the issues with Stone, the air traffic controllers, etc. he's changing the news cycle.
 
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Sort of ... "temporarily" re-opening government...
More like given the issues with Stone, the air traffic controllers, etc. he's changing the news cycle.
We will see how Trump's boss's Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh see it :xf.wink:
 
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Greta Van Susteren @greta
CNN cameras were at the raid of Roger Stone...
So FBI obviously tipped off CNN...
Even if you donโ€™t like Stone, it is curious why Muellerโ€™s office tipped off CNN instead of trying to quietly arrest Stone;
Quiet arrests are more likely to be safe to the FBI and the person arrested

Laura Ingraham @IngrahamAngle
The @FBI arrest of Roger Stone at dawn, with dozens of helmeted agents, brandishing weapons, was totally unnecessary. Treated him like El Chapo.
Political motives clear withCNN
tip-off.
 
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Looks like Trump caved.

Trump announces deal for government to reopen for three weeks, ending longest shutdown; no money for his border wall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ney-for-his-border-wall/ar-BBSJ8Xe?li=BBnb7Kz


#TrumpCaved trending - https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpCaved?src=tren&lang=en

I think this kind of thing just might push him to National Emergency route. He doesn't like to be made fun of/lose. This must be driving him crazy, he could do something drastic.

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Roger Stone getting out of jail today, smiling, raising his hands, saying - the only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about. Reminds me of the Ted Bundy documentary on Netflix I just started watching last night. Ted loved the press, always smiling, engaging them.

Pelosi/Chuck live now.

Oh, "hopefully the President has learned his lesson" - Chuck

They're digging at him. National Emergency coming up.
 
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