The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

You need to look up the definition of the word Empire. We're a Democratic Republic.

I know what it means, I said it wasn't a big deal. It's not something where somebody was thinking of supporting him, then he said that, and they're going to change their mind. Not sure what of course they'll lie means. Moderates don't support a lot of what you posted. I said myself I don't support abolishing ICE and if Antifa or anybody else destroys property, attacks people, arrest them.

 

[mr-x]

I know what it means, I said it wasn't a big deal. It's not something where somebody was thinking of supporting him, then he said that, and they're going to change their mind. Not sure what of course they'll lie means. Moderates don't support a lot of what you posted. I said myself I don't support abolishing ICE and if Antifa or anybody else destroys property, attacks people, arrest them.

My predictions:
Cory Booker will come out of the closet.
All DNC candidates support sanctuary cities / state.
All will support increased immigration and "reform" of ICE.
All will support limits on the #2A && possibly the #1A.
Freebeacon.com will publish a mix-tape of journalist calling Robert O'Rourke a rock-star.

 

[mr-x]

 

[Kate]

Let me ask YOU this. If you were to find yourself caught in the middle of a mass shooting, would you:
A) Want the guy/gal huddling under the desk with you to be a concealed carry permit holder with a weapon in hand?
OR
B) Would you prefer that they just be another average Joe/Jill with nothing in their hand?

I think the argument of self-defense, CCW is overrated in those situations.

If you are in the middle of a shootout: probably you won't have time to react if you happen to be where the action is. By the time you reach for your pocket, you already got a bullet in your head.
Otherwise a semi-automatic handgun (with small magazine) vs an automatic weapon (assault rife, machine gun) is still a very unbalanced fight. You have to be very accurate, whereas the killer doesn't even have to aim, just shoot. In fact you could easily miss the target and shoot an innocent among the crowd and in the confusion... it's not so easy to hit a rapidly moving target even at close range.
Many Americans own guns but not many have that kind of practice. Owning a gun is one thing, being a sharp shooter is another.

It could be a sniper, so you don't see where the shots come from. See in Vegas how long it took to stop the killer.

Nice in theory. In practice ?

I've worked in and spent time in places that definitely had me concerned for my safety. I've also had loaded handguns pointed at me three times, the last two times 6 inches from my head by people that wanted my money. There have also been a number of other situations/life experiences (not to be addressed) that have had me deeply concerned for my overall well being and lifespan.

Sounds like a very dangerous country you live in. Probably a sh*hole Third World country

 

[TestCase]

I think the argument of self-defense, CCW is overrated in those situations.

If you are in the middle of a shootout: probably you won't have time to react if you happen to be where the action is. By the time you reach for your pocket, you already got a bullet in your head.
Otherwise a semi-automatic handgun (with small magazine) vs an automatic weapon (assault rife, machine gun) is still a very unbalanced fight. You have to be very accurate, whereas the killer doesn't even have to aim, just shoot. In fact you could easily miss the target and shoot an innocent among the crowd and in the confusion... it's not so easy to hit a rapidly moving target even at close range.
Many Americans own guns but not many have that kind of practice. Owning a gun is one thing, being a sharp shooter is another.

It could be a sniper, so you don't see where the shots come from. See in Vegas how long it took to stop the killer.

Nice in theory. In practice ?...

Every situation and resulting actions in life will always be dependent on the specific factors involved in that particular situation.

My question was simply, if you were huddling with cover in the middle of a mass shooting (ANY mass shooting), would you prefer to be with someone with a gun in hand or would you prefer to be with someone that is empty handed?

Now a question to you. Aside from a wingnut with a gun(s) targeting innocent people, what else do most mass shootings have in common?

Hint: How many of these mass shootings have taken place where normal, everyday people are actually allowed to carry guns?

Using a gun successfully in self defense isn't necessarily about being able put a bullet in the bad guy, it can also be a deterrent when the bad guy knows/realizes that they too can become a target.

...Sounds like a very dangerous country you live in. Probably a sh*hole Third World country

Yeaaaaaah, NO! But a lot of people would still think otherwise... LOL

 

[enlytend]

Begin A VERY Rambling Stream of Conciousness Response]

Thanks for the rambling stream of consciousness .

I didn’t ask that question to be contentious, I really would like to have an intelligent and respectful conversation on the subject. You seemed like a good bet.

Sorry about your relative /roommate. That must have been very difficult for you and your family.

I don’t have time to address everything you mentioned right now, but here’s a short summary of what I heard in your reply. Feel free to clarify or correct if I missed something in the rambling:

• We can’t prevent it, it’s pointless to try.
• Even if we could, the risk is too low to be worth the effort.
• We’d all be safer if more people carried weapons and had concealed carry permits.
• Some anger and defensiveness (no need to justify, just saying what I heard in your post.)

And off-topic, if we want to save lives we should focus our efforts on:

• Keeping people from killing themselves (and occasionally others?) with tobacco and alcohol.
• Requiring safer vehicles or a special permit to drive one not fitting the requirements

(I don’t totally disagree with either point, but don’t certain vehicles already have much higher insurance rates for that very reason? )

Anything else?

Let’s play a little RPG

You’re in a windowless conference room. Boss is pissed. If you want to keep your job (let’s assume you do) the group needs to produce one or more sets of recommendations for allocating budget to address school shootings / mass shootings or you’re all staying in that room for the foreseeable future. Ordering in Burger King or McD.? Hah - you wish! More like 6 day old cold cuts from the 7/11 next door.

The wall art is hideous, the chairs aren’t comfy. Your phone has been confiscated. There’s no way out.

You want to leave and have a life, and not die of listeria from convenience store bologna. What recommendations do you come up with?

 

[mr-x]

I think the argument of self-defense, CCW is overrated in those situations.

If you are in the middle of a shootout: probably you won't have time to react if you happen to be where the action is. By the time you reach for your pocket, you already got a bullet in your head.

This is silly argument. You don't need self-defense because you'll just die anyway. You think a shooter isn't going to change their plan if people shoot back?

My wife is a better shot than I am. She has a CCW and caries a .380, slightly smaller than a 9MM but will ruin your day. Threaten one of her kids, grandkids and see how fast she turns from nana to Annie Oakley.

Otherwise a semi-automatic handgun (with small magazine) vs an automatic weapon (assault rife, machine gun) is still a very unbalanced fight. You have to be very accurate, whereas the killer doesn't even have to aim, just shoot. In fact you could easily miss the target and shoot an innocent among the crowd and in the confusion... it's not so easy to hit a rapidly moving target even at close range.
Many Americans own guns but not many have that kind of practice. Owning a gun is one thing, being a sharp shooter is another.

It could be a sniper, so you don't see where the shots come from. See in Vegas how long it took to stop the killer.

Nice in theory. In practice ?

Sounds like a very dangerous country you live in. Probably a sh*hole Third World country

You're just imagining an argument based on 0 experience.

 

[mr-x]

Every situation and resulting actions in life will always be dependent on the specific factors involved in that particular situation.

My question was simply, if you were huddling with cover in the middle of a mass shooting (ANY mass shooting), would you prefer to be with someone with a gun in hand or would you prefer to be with someone that is empty handed?

Now a question to you. Aside from a wingnut with a gun(s) targeting innocent people, what else do most mass shootings have in common?

Hint: How many of these mass shootings have taken place where normal, everyday people are actually allowed to carry guns?

Using a gun successfully in self defense isn't necessarily about being able put a bullet in the bad guy, it can also be a deterrent when the bad guy knows/realizes that they too can become a target.


Yeaaaaaah, NO! But a lot of people would still think otherwise... LOL

People who have never been shot at think they can predict how people will act when shot at. Criminals will flee, hide, etc, just like anyone else.

 

[mr-x]

Liberal journalist having a meltdown MS. Pence, a Christian, took a job teaching art at a Christian school.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019...ed-karen-pence-sends-heads-crashing-to-desks/

 

[mr-x]

Progressive liberals on ABC: Meet a 10 year old queer drag kid! He spent the night dancing at an adult gay bar for money!! Kid in drag, enters, dances suggestively up to the stage, dramatically falls on the floor and spreads his legs.

FABULOUS!!
--

Progressive Journalist: OMG! The Second Lady of the United States of America took a job at a Christian school that bans queer drag-queens from teaching children! BIGOTS.
--

Liberal Sheep: Your criticism of adults exploiting children is exploitation! Leave those children to do what they want! You're worse than those monsters in FOOT LOOSE!!
--

This world is nearing the end.

In other words, she's teaching at a private Christian school.

 

[Kate]

This is silly argument. You don't need self-defense because you'll just die anyway. You think a shooter isn't going to change their plan if people shoot back?
...
You're just imagining an argument based on 0 experience.

Possibly. But can you tell me how many times was a mass shooting stopped by some CCW hero who happened to be on the crime scene ?
Vs how many times the shootout end on their own when the killer runs out of ammo, commits suicide or is overpowered by police.

Proliferation of guns is not without risk, it also means more accidents, more guns get lost/stolen or whatever and fall in the wrong hands.
In other words, by trying to solve a problem you often create other problems by virtue of unintended consequences.

 

[mr-x]

Possibly. But can you tell me how many times was a mass shooting stopped by some CCW hero who happened to be on the crime scene ?
Vs how many times the shootout end on their own when the killer runs out of ammo, commits suicide or is overpowered by police.

Proliferation of guns is not without risk, it also means more accidents, more guns get lost/stolen or whatever and fall in the wrong hands.
In other words, by trying to solve a problem you often create other problems by virtue of unintended consequences.

1) Machine guns have not been available to the public since 1930's.

2) More People Use a Gun in Self-Defense Each Year Than Die in Car Accidents
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/07...-defense-each-year-than-die-in-car-accidents/

3) Chicago Woman With Concealed-carry Permit Shoots, Kills Armed Robber
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...cealed-carry-permit-shoots-kills-armed-robber

You're using outliers to generalize about the effectiveness of legal firearms. In the UK, a women defending herself would be arrested taken to jail BEFORE an investigation.

Violent criminals don't stop being violent because guns are hard to get. They use knives, any other weapon to give themselves an advantage.

 

[mr-x]

President Trump in 2020.

Progressive liberals on ABC: Meet a 10 year old queer drag kid! He spent the night dancing at an adult gay bar for money!! Kid in drag, enters, dances suggestively up to the stage, dramatically falls on the floor and spreads his legs.

FABULOUS!!
--

Progressive Journalist: OMG! The Second Lady of the United States of America took a job at a Christian school that bans queer drag-queens from teaching children! BIGOTS.
--

Liberal Sheep: Your criticism of adults exploiting children is exploitation! Leave those children to do what they want! You're worse than those monsters in FOOT LOOSE!!
--

This world is nearing the end.
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In other words, she's teaching at a private Christian school.

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[TestCase]

Thanks for the rambling stream of consciousness .

I didn’t ask that question to be contentious, I really would like to have an intelligent and respectful conversation on the subject. You seemed like a good bet.

Sorry about your relative /roommate. That must have been very difficult for you and your family.

I don’t have time to address everything you mentioned right now, but here’s a short summary of what I heard in your reply. Feel free to clarify or correct if I missed something in the rambling:

• We can’t prevent it, it’s pointless to try.
• Even if we could, the risk is too low to be worth the effort.
• We’d all be safer if more people carried weapons and had concealed carry permits.
• Some anger and defensiveness (no need to justify, just saying what I heard in your post.)

And off-topic, if we want to save lives we should focus our efforts on:

• Keeping people from killing themselves (and occasionally others?) with tobacco and alcohol.
• Requiring safer vehicles or a special permit to drive one not fitting the requirements

(I don’t totally disagree with either point, but don’t certain vehicles already have much higher insurance rates for that very reason? )

Anything else?

Let’s play a little RPG

You’re in a windowless conference room. Boss is pissed. If you want to keep your job (let’s assume you do) the group needs to produce one or more sets of recommendations for allocating budget to address school shootings / mass shootings or you’re all staying in that room for the foreseeable future. Ordering in Burger King or McD.? Hah - you wish! More like 6 day old cold cuts from the 7/11 next door.

The wall art is hideous, the chairs aren’t comfy. Your phone has been confiscated. There’s no way out.

You want to leave and have a life, and not die of listeria from convenience store bologna. What recommendations do you come up with?

Sorry Enlytend. I'm going to be a bit busy for the next couple of days so it may take a bit before I can actually respond.

Possibly. But can you tell me how many times was a mass shooting stopped by some CCW hero who happened to be on the crime scene ?
Vs how many times the shootout end on their own when the killer runs out of ammo, commits suicide or is overpowered by police.

Proliferation of guns is not without risk, it also means more accidents, more guns get lost/stolen or whatever and fall in the wrong hands.
In other words, by trying to solve a problem you often create other problems by virtue of unintended consequences.

TRICK QUESTION!

Quoting my previous post,

...Now a question to you. Aside from a wingnut with a gun(s) targeting innocent people, what else do most mass shootings have in common?

Hint: How many of these mass shootings have taken place where normal, everyday people are actually allowed to carry guns?...

Most of the SENSATIONALIZED mass shootings have taken place at venues where firearms are not permitted - i.e. Gun-Free Zones. Had a CCW permit holder brought their gun on premises then they would possibly/probably been breaking the law. Once again I point out that most gun owners/CCW folks are law abiding citizens.

Any way, I believe the Sutherland Spring shooting was stopped by a good guy with a gun.

 

[JB Lions]

Kremlin coming to the aid of their embattled comrade:

Kremlin calls idea that Trump worked for Moscow ‘absurd’
https://www.apnews.com/545127faa10444a6bc0b2c8d4b0d4040

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Thanks Trump

4 Americans killed in Syria suicide attack

Senator (Graham) says Trump’s Syria comments may have emboldened ISIS deadly attack on US troops

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...e-emboldened-isis-deadly-attack-on-us-troops/

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Trump was warned in Iraq that ISIS was not defeated in Syria
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/donald-trump-isis-syria-warning/index.html?utm_content=2019-01-16T18:20:05&utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social

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Just saw this, Pence lying his ass off. "ISIS has been defeated", hours after this latest attack:

 

[GILSAN]

James Woods @RealJamesWoods

Los Angeles County to remove 1.5 million ineligible voters from its rolls. ONE MILLION FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND! #DemocratVoterFraud

How Judicial Watch Won the Battle for Election Integrity in Los Angeles County, CA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=yP3OZGvwFeY

 

[GILSAN]

BREAKING: Feds Arrest 21-Year-Old Jihadist Hasher Jallal Taheb in Terror Plot to Bomb White House – ISIS Sympathizer
21-year-old jihadist Hasher Jallal Taheb of Cumming, Georgia was arrested by the feds for plotting a terrorist attack against the White House with explosives.
The jihadist also eyed the Lincoln Memorial and Washington Monument.

Taheb reportedly had a hand-drawn diagram of the ground floor of the West Wing of the White House.

US Attorney for the northern district of Georgia, BJ Pak, gave a presser on Wednesday.

“His alleged intent was to attack the White House and other targets of opportunity in the Washington, D.C. area,” Mr. Pak said.

Mr. Pak also revealed that Taheb intended to use explosives and an anti-tank rocket to carry out the attacks.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/feds-arrest-21-year-old-jihadist-hasher-jallal-taheb-in-terror-plot-targeting-white-house-with-explosives/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=129&v=tiAkA-8t70c

 

[GILSAN]

 

[GILSAN]

 

[JB Lions]

Democrats Fall Short in Effort to Rebuke Administration on Russia Sanctions
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/us/politics/senate-trump-russia-sanctions.html

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I think AOC is playing chess with Republicans. She says some out there kind of stuff. You give her all this attention. She uses this attention to zap them back.

"Where's Mitch?" -Rep. Ocasio-Cortez
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1085705523243216896

He’s not in the cloak room
He’s not in the Capitol
He’s not in the Russel building
He’s not on the floor of the Senate
And 800,000 people still don’t have their paychecks - so #WheresMitch?
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez‏Verified account @AOC 4h4 hours ago