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...there have been very very many applications turned down in Texas for those very reasons, and people lying on their application.

Unfortunately...

Banned gun buyers beat background checks -- and are rarely prosecuted when caught
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/4/banned-gun-buyers-beat-background-checks-are-rarel/

Most people trying to buy a gun illegally are never prosecuted, U.S. Senator Kelly Ayotte says
https://www.politifact.com/new-hamp...eople-trying-buy-gun-illegally-us-senator-ke/

Gun form liars may go on to commit gun crimes, internal ATF research suggests
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/21/us/gun-form-liars-atf-invs/index.html

Lying to buy a gun? Donโ€™t worry about the feds.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/?noredirect=on
 
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Unfortunately...

Banned gun buyers beat background checks -- and are rarely prosecuted when caught
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/4/banned-gun-buyers-beat-background-checks-are-rarel/

Most people trying to buy a gun illegally are never prosecuted, U.S. Senator Kelly Ayotte says
https://www.politifact.com/new-hamp...eople-trying-buy-gun-illegally-us-senator-ke/

Gun form liars may go on to commit gun crimes, internal ATF research suggests
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/21/us/gun-form-liars-atf-invs/index.html

Lying to buy a gun? Donโ€™t worry about the feds.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/?noredirect=on

A lot of that true, some, not so much, When the "Brady Bill" was put into law, there were loopholes, Today not really, if a person walks into a local store to purchase a firearm, provided they are using their own personal information, the information is taken by phone by the FBI and they can nail down a person trying to cheat the system with quickness, now that is if the person is actually using their SS# and state ID.

Criminals will always be able to obtain guns, that will never be stopped, just like the war on drugs will never be successful, IMO
 
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A lot of that true, some, not so much, When the "Brady Bill" was put into law, there were loopholes, Today not really, if a person walks into a local store to purchase a firearm, provided they are using their own personal information, the information is taken by phone by the FBI and they can nail down a person trying to cheat the system with quickness, now that is if the person is actually using their SS# and state ID.

Criminals will always be able to obtain guns, that will never be stopped, just like the war on drugs will never be successful, IMO
Those articles are less than a year old.

My point is, virtually none of the prohibited people that attempt to buy "legally" by going through "the process" are being prosecuted for it. It seems 10-21% of those people then go on to commit crimes involving guns.
 
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virtually none of the prohibited people that attempt to buy "legally" by going through "the process" are being prosecuted for it. It seems 10-21% of those people then go on to commit crimes involving guns.

Well thatโ€™s a problem...

The rapid firing guy was impressive, but heโ€™s an outlier. Weapons designed to shoot a large # of rounds in a short period of time enable the average person to do a lot of damage.

Moving the goal posts that define assault weapons is also a problem.

Iโ€™d be open to the idea of a special license for some civilians to have them, with more stringent requirements for ownership. Details tbd, but if you can convincingly demonstrate that you have a reason to have one and that you have a very low probability of ever being a danger to anyone with it Iโ€™d probably be ok with that.

Like any other type of security, nothing is 100%. But your success rate improves if you remove the low hanging fruit and make it more difficult.

The NRA has been very quiet lately. Too busy worrying about Maria Butinaโ€™s guilty plea and whether theyโ€™ll have to come up with sources for that $30 million they gave 45โ€™s 2016 campaign.
 
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..The rapid firing guy was impressive, but heโ€™s an outlier....
First off, most gun related deaths are a result of handguns -- and most gun deaths are suicides.So how does these facts result in further regulation of "assault weapons"?

(And it seems more people are killed by blunt force or knives/cutting objects than by rifles.)

And second off, criminals and crazies are the outliers of gun owners overall -- by an INCREDIBLY MASSIVE HUGE margin!

Why should millions of law abiding gun owners need to have further regulation forced upon them because people that aren't going to obey ANY laws any way are going to do bad things with guns? Where is the logic in that?

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls
(There may be newer stats but I was in a hurry.)

Great article!
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html
 
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Why should millions of law abiding gun owners need to have further regulation forced upon them because people that aren't going to obey ANY laws any way are going to do bad things with guns? Where is the logic in that?

Suicides are a different matter. Iโ€™m talking about homicides. Specifically mass homicides, like school shootings or Vegas.

Raising the bar. Removing the low hanging fruit. Making it more difficult.

I donโ€™t pretend to be an expert on firearm stats. I do have some street cred in information security and computer crime, so let me make an analogy:

First of all, there is no such thing as a perfectly secure system. Closest youโ€™ll ever get to it is if you build a fortified structure, put the computer in it, remove it from the network(s), and destroy all access to the facility.

Pretty darned secure, but not practical.

So the name of the game is โ€œrisk managementโ€. What steps can we take to lower the risk of our data or systems being compromised?

Nothing is 100% foolproof, but each layer we put in place makes it less likely that the system will be compromised. And thatโ€™s how itโ€™s done,

Raise the bar. Remove the low hanging fruit. Rinse and repeat.

Iโ€™m looking at the mass homicide issue from a risk manager standpoint. What weapons were used and would the results have been different with a different weapon? What were the characteristics and motives of the perpetrators? How did they obtain the weapons? What differences could have have positively affected the outcome?? How do we lower the risk?

If someone doesnโ€™t have criminal connections - no criminal history, law abiding family, no friends with connections - right off the bat itโ€™s harder for them to get a weapon illegally. Most of these troubled kids donโ€™t have a lot of friends. Sure, you can go on the internet, but where? How do you know youโ€™re not walking into a police sting? Chances are youโ€™re leaving a trail of activity too. The more you advertise your intent, the greater chance someone will see it and say something.

(Obviously if sale of weapons online is the weak link, law enforcement needs to step up efforts there.)

Countries that increased regulation on gun ownership (Australia) saw gun homicide rates go down. Ours are currently pretty bad. Start somewhere.

As I said, there is no 100% solution. But is your not being inconvenienced more important than someoneโ€™s life?

Doing nothing isnโ€™t working.
 
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So the name of the game is โ€œrisk managementโ€. What steps can we take to lower the risk of our data or systems being compromised?
Nothing is 100% foolproof, but each layer we put in place makes it less likely that the system will be compromised. And thatโ€™s how itโ€™s done,

Raise the bar. Remove the low hanging fruit. Rinse and repeat.
Iโ€™m looking at the mass homicide issue from a risk manager standpoint.

A case study in how to focus on the minutiae while ignoring the larger issue. All of that work to maybe cut murders by a few percent, if at all. But no consideration given to the larger social forces at work that drive the murder rate. Because that would call into question the current social/political agenda of the left.

It's evident that the control of guns is a peripheral issue. With 3d printing and other technologies coming to the masses, it's also yesterday's piecemeal approach to tomorrow's problems. People will soon have access to a massive array of weapons worse than most of us want to think about.

To really put a dent in the violence, focus on why people are killing rather than their method of choice. I put the destruction of family, morals and society as one cause, the abuse of drugs (prescribed or otherwise) as another, the relative values assigned to fame and wealth as promoted by the media as yet another. None of these will be addressed of course, because they conflict with powerful interests and because much of the populace is too well trained to ever question anything important.

"Countries that increased regulation on gun ownership (Australia) saw gun homicide rates go down." That's a pretty meaningless statement. If we increased regulations on rope, fewer people would hang themselves as well. Murder has not gone down dramatically, not that Australia had a huge murder rate to begin with. But now the government has a monopoly on gun violence. The heavily armed Swiss aren't all shooting each other. But that's because they maintain some semblance of a culture.

The whole gun debate is boring and soon to be obsolete.
 
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Truth.

Those articles are less than a year old.

My point is, virtually none of the prohibited people that attempt to buy "legally" by going through "the process" are being prosecuted for it. It seems 10-21% of those people then go on to commit crimes involving guns.
 
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Daily dose. Orange man bad!

Trump is getting cabin fever:

So sorry to hear the news about Jeff Bozo being taken down by a competitor whose reporting, I understand, is far more accurate than the reporting in his lobbyist newspaper, the Amazon Washington Post. Hopefully the paper will soon be placed in better & more responsible hands!
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If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash!
Donald J. Trumpโ€Verified account @realDonaldTrump 6m6 minutes ago

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All signs point the same way: Vladimir Putin has compromising information on Donald Trump
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...n-compromising-information-column/2564892002/

Trump has concealed details of his face-to-face encounters with Putin from senior officials in administration
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8695d56c30ff

Trumpโ€™s disapproval rating higher since shutdown began: poll
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumpโ€™s-disapproval-rating-higher-since-shutdown-began-poll/ar-BBSbDx8?li=BBnbfcL

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AP fact check: Trump says he hasnโ€™t left White House in โ€˜months.โ€™ Actually, he has.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...nt-left-white-house-in-months-actually-he-has

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Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul is going to Canada for surgery


Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, one of the fiercest political critics of socialized medicine, will travel to Canada later this month to get hernia surgery.

Paul, an ophthalmologist, said the operation is related to an injury in 2017 when his neighbor, Rene Boucher, attacked him while Paul was mowing his lawn. The incident left Kentucky's junior senator with six broken ribs and a bruised lung.

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...ttack-senator-have-surgery-canada/2568200002/

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Nancy and Cryinโ€™ Chuck can end the Shutdown in 15 minutes. At this point it has become their, and the Democrats, fault!
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One thing to criticize someone, it's another to it breathlessly every day no matter how irrational the accusations.

It's another to defend somebody everyday who you think is a horrible person. And if the accusations are irrational, take them apart. Don't run from the challenge.

And it happens everyday because, people thought it was bright to put somebody in like Trump. If Kasich was President, this thread wouldn't be anywhere near where it is now.

Crazy right. Laura Loomer - https://twitter.com/search?q="Laura Loomer"&src=tren&lang=en

Laura Loomer has walked off the stream, on her way to Pelosi's house. One of her crew is claiming that it's legal to jump the fence because there were no "no trespassing" signs.
 
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Crazy right. Laura Loomer - https://twitter.com/search?q="Laura Loomer"&src=tren&lang=en

Laura Loomer has walked off the stream, on her way to Pelosi's house. One of her crew is claiming that it's legal to jump the fence because there were no "no trespassing" signs. I don't know about that!

Your comparing yourself to "crazy" Luara Loomer? Also calling her crazy and mocking her for stepping in a creek? Was it a fence or a wall? Are fences immoral?
 
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Your comparing yourself to "crazy" Luara Loomer? Also calling her crazy and mocking her for stepping in a creek? Was it a fence or a wall? Are fences immoral?

When you think posting fast makes a good reply, instead of actually reading :xf.rolleyes: I have no idea what you're even referring to. Stepping in a creek? What? Stream meaning internet stream/video, not body of water :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

You replied in less than a minute to my post, instead of actually reading. I have given up that you'll learn to read before you post.

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Right after the story Trump wants to keep the Mueller report from going public:

Trump attorney general pick Barr says wants Mueller report made public, won't allow improper interference

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...g-pick-says-mueller-report-public/2569214002/

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Trump lashed out at Mulvaney during meeting with Democrats

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/politics/trump-mulvaney-meeting/index.html

"Stop, stop, just stop -- What are you doing? You're f---ing it all up, Mick," Trump said, according to the official who was in the room for the negotiations.

haha, he can't even pick people who think well help him. He thinks they're all going to just fold to him.

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Think she pretty much nailed him. She was spot on.


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Well thatโ€™s a problem...

The rapid firing guy was impressive, but heโ€™s an outlier. Weapons designed to shoot a large # of rounds in a short period of time enable the average person to do a lot of damage.

Moving the goal posts that define assault weapons is also a problem.

Iโ€™d be open to the idea of a special license for some civilians to have them, with more stringent requirements for ownership. Details tbd, but if you can convincingly demonstrate that you have a reason to have one and that you have a very low probability of ever being a danger to anyone with it Iโ€™d probably be ok with that.

Like any other type of security, nothing is 100%. But your success rate improves if you remove the low hanging fruit and make it more difficult.

The NRA has been very quiet lately. Too busy worrying about Maria Butinaโ€™s guilty plea and whether theyโ€™ll have to come up with sources for that $30 million they gave 45โ€™s 2016 campaign.

Agreed, a special license to obtain a assault weapon would be a good thing, that is not infringing on anyoneโ€™s rights, so the NRA shouldnโ€™t even contest that being a law.
 
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