The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

Lindsey Graham: "'The wall' has become a metaphor for border security. ... What we're talking about is a physical barrier where it makes sense."

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) December 30, 2018

 

[GILSAN]

To All....

 

[johname]

The twitter dropping MA snafu was proof she was running, so might as well announce now lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-president-announcement.html

 

[Kate]

The wall is an illustration of what we call the security theater. It's a big waste of money designed to impress the gullible voters, and perhaps benefit a few private corporations.
It is estimated that the majority of illegal immigrants are in fact people overstaying visas. Those people can't be tracked or located easily once they are on US soil. They could stay under the radar forever, until their status comes to light as a result of interaction with authorities.

What is clear is that 45 is deficit-bent, even more than his predecessors, and he loves to spend money you don't have. I can't blame anybody for balking at the wasteful spending. It's not really about the wall, but the flawed arguments underpinning that pet project.

 

[mr-x]

This town is proof that Trump’s wall can work
https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/


Where the Wall Worked
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/25/us-mexico-border-wall-works-tijuana-218835

Liberals will argue the earth is flat if the right person ask the question.

 

[mr-x]

It is estimated that the majority of illegal immigrants are in fact people overstaying visas.

Keyword ESTIMATED.. by the same people who claimed there are only 11 million illegal aliens in the US and they commit less crime than citizens.

How do you make an accurate estimate if you don't know how many illegal aliens are in the country?

Those people can't be tracked or located easily once they are on US soil. They could stay under the radar forever, until their status comes to light as a result of interaction with authorities.

What is clear is that 45 is deficit-bent, even more than his predecessors, and he loves to spend money you don't have. I can't blame anybody for balking at the wasteful spending. It's not really about the wall, but the flawed arguments underpinning that pet project.

Word salad.

 

[Kate]

Keyword ESTIMATED.. by the same people who claimed there are only 11 million illegal aliens in the US and they commit less crime than citizens.

That figure is actually quite close to DHS estimates.

Some official stats are available on overstays: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/fiscal-year-2017-entryexit-overstay-report
Some sources say they make up about 50% of illegal immigration.

The number is definitely significant, no matter which stats you prefer.
That is not surprising at all, since it's easier and safer to enter the country legally and overstay, than cross a fenced (and manned) border unlawfully.
The deal is, while you can have an accurate count of legal entries/exits and overstays, you still can't locate the overstayers to deport them. You can compile statistics though (government is better at producing statistics than solving real issues).
That's why the US Visit system is not only a massive intrusion of privacy but a huge waste of money and resources. Even Americans are deprived of their constitutional rights at the border and subject to arbitrary treatment. If you are American and you don't see what I mean, then you probably don't travel much at all. IRS used to be the most frightening acronym for Americans, but nowadays it is TSA (or CBP).

How do you make an accurate estimate if you don't know how many illegal aliens are in the country?

Let me return the argument: why insist on a hugely expensive wall when you can't even present a rough, reasonable estimate of how many 'illegals' it would stop. Promises of reduced crime, fewer illegals, are blurry at best. I wouldn't sign a $18 Bn check in exchange for vague, uncertain benefits. The burden of proof is on the proponents of the wall, not the opponents or the skeptics.

 

[mr-x]

That figure is actually quite close to DHS estimates.

Some official stats are available on overstays: https://www.dhs.gov/publication/fiscal-year-2017-entryexit-overstay-report
Some sources say they make up about 50% of illegal immigration.

Liberals have been claiming 11 million illegal immigrants for almost a decade. You have to be a retard or a liberal to believe this bullshit.

The number is definitely significant, no matter which stats you prefer.
That is not surprising at all, since it's easier and safer to enter the country legally and overstay, than cross a fenced (and manned) border unlawfully.
The deal is, while you can have an accurate count of legal entries/exits and overstays, you still can't locate the overstayers to deport them. You can compile statistics though (government is better at producing statistics than solving real issues).
That's why the US Visit system is not only a massive intrusion of privacy but a huge waste of money and resources. Even Americans are deprived of their constitutional rights at the border and subject to arbitrary treatment. If you are American and you don't see what I mean, then you probably don't travel much at all. IRS used to be the most frightening acronym for Americans, but nowadays it is TSA (or CBP).

Let me return the argument: why insist on a hugely expensive wall when you can't even present a rough, reasonable estimate of how many 'illegals' it would stop. Promises of reduced crime, fewer illegals, are blurry at best. I wouldn't sign a $18 Bn check in exchange for vague, uncertain benefits. The burden of proof is on the proponents of the wall, not the opponents or the skeptics.

Official estimates are over 1K people a day cross the southern border of the US daily.

Democrats don't want an accurate count because it would expose the real size / cost of the problem. That is why we have to go the the supreme court just to put the question; "are you a citizen" BACK on the census.

 

[mr-x]

Why do liberals protect Illegal immigrants, encourage more illegal immigrants to move the USA? Political power.

1) Seats in the House of Representatives are allotted based on population. Hence the sanctuary poliices.

2) Poor, uneducated people who are told they are being exploited will vote democrat.

It's not an accident the same people lying about how many illegal aliens are in our country, encouraging more immigration; are the same people telling you the Senate and electoral college are obsolete.

 

[JB Lions]

This town is proof that Trump’s wall can work
https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-already-have-a-border-wall-and-it-works/

"They hit a low of 9,678 in 2012, before slowly ticking back up to a total of 25,193 last year. But they’re still well below pre-fence levels, and the Border Patrol credits the fortified barrier dividing El Paso from Mexico for the reduction in illegal flows."

Almost tripled last year compared to 2012. People eventually find a way.

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A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ims-day/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.88cbcb87a0be

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Went from defeated to mostly gone. Maybe he should start reading those daily intelligence reports?

If anybody but Donald Trump did what I did in Syria, which was an ISIS loaded mess when I became President, they would be a national hero. ISIS is mostly gone, we’re slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting ISIS remnants......

 

[mr-x]

Shorter: Trump likes walls so I don't.

Also: He's a big fat liar and a meany.

P.S. But Rachel is adorbs.

"They hit a low of 9,678 in 2012, before slowly ticking back up to a total of 25,193 last year. But they’re still well below pre-fence levels, and the Border Patrol credits the fortified barrier dividing El Paso from Mexico for the reduction in illegal flows."

Almost tripled last year compared to 2012. People eventually find a way.

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A year of unprecedented deception: Trump averaged 15 false claims a day in 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ims-day/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.88cbcb87a0be

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Went from defeated to mostly gone. Maybe he should start reading those daily intelligence reports?

If anybody but Donald Trump did what I did in Syria, which was an ISIS loaded mess when I became President, they would be a national hero. ISIS is mostly gone, we’re slowly sending our troops back home to be with their families, while at the same time fighting ISIS remnants......

Every retard with an opinion provided by Nancy and Chuck: Walls bad.

Every border patrol agent: Walls good.

 

[JB Lions]

Shorter: Trump likes walls so I don't.

Also: He's a big fat liar and a meany.

P.S. But Rachel is adorbs.




Every retard with an opinion provided by Nancy and Chuck: Walls bad.

Every border patrol agent: Wall good.

Thanks dumbass.

Hopefully 2019 is better for you, when you don't post articles that backfire on you.

 

[JB Lions]

Exclusive: Russian Ex-Spy Pressured Manafort Over Debts to an Oligarch

"In his only interview with the media about those connections, Boyarkin told TIME this fall that he was in touch with Trump’s then-campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, in the heat of the presidential race on behalf of the Russian oligarch. “He owed us a lot of money,” Boyarkin says. “And he was offering ways to pay it back.”

http://time.com/5490169/paul-manafort-victor-boyarkin-debts/

2018 for Trump were just some jabs.

This is the ONE!! Chump is done for this time!

Just 1 of a big pile. 2019, prepare yourself.

 

[mr-x]

Thanks dumbass.

Hopefully 2019 is better for you, when you don't post articles that backfire on you.

 

[mr-x]

This is the ONE!! Chump is done for this time!

Exclusive: Russian Ex-Spy Pressured Manafort Over Debts to an Oligarch

"In his only interview with the media about those connections, Boyarkin told TIME this fall that he was in touch with Trump’s then-campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, in the heat of the presidential race on behalf of the Russian oligarch. “He owed us a lot of money,” Boyarkin says. “And he was offering ways to pay it back.”

http://time.com/5490169/paul-manafort-victor-boyarkin-debts/

2018 for Trump were just some jabs.

 

[mr-x]

Still a dumbass

Hopefully 2019 is better for you, when you don't post articles that backfire on you.

You forget to call me a racist homophob.

 

[JB Lions]

Thanks dumbass.

This is the ONE!! Chump is done for this time!

Still a dumbass

mr-x when he can't form a reply. The struggle. Hopefully, 2019 you do better, step your game up. Breathe, take some time, research first etc. Don't be an emotional, reactionary poster. Be best.

I posted two articles, Why'd you only quote one? Oh yeah, your a disingenuous prick who likes to troll people.

That ain't it chief. And you obviously didn't read the second article either. We both know you don't read articles, especially long ones like that. You read just the headlines.

They built a wall, illegal immigration continued to rise, then:

"But illegal immigration to the United States was still on the rise. So, in subsequent years, a second fence, roughly 100 yards into the U.S. interior, was constructed; it was largely completed by 2005. Around that same time, through a combination of federal and congressional action, the Border Patrol added more agents, sensors, lighting, cameras and other surveillance."

2 articles backfiring. That's 2018 summed up for you.

 

[mr-x]

mr-x when he can't form a reply. The struggle. Hopefully, 2019 you do better, step your game up. Breathe, take some time, research first etc.

I posted two articles, Why'd you only quote one? Oh yeah, your a disingenuous prick who likes to troll people.

Stick to posting homo picks of Trump and Putin. We know you have a shit-load of them.

 

[johname]

Not at all if she approaches it the right way.

Did Elizabeth Warren miss her chance?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/politics/elizabeth-warren-2020-presidential-donald-trump/index.html

 

[enlytend]

Poor, uneducated people who are told they are being exploited will vote democrat.

Except in 2016 when they all voted for trump...