The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

Great tactic, keep taking migrants to sanctuary cities where they will be "safe". I wonder how many SF, New Jersey and New York can take?


If you're a democrat criticizing the President for not being compassionate and haven't sponsored at least one "refugee" family, you might be part of the problem.

OK, I'm all out of smart-ass lectures... for today.

 

[enlytend]

Most are immigrating for Jobs and better opportunities, not asylum.

Valid research to back up that statement?

Mexican immigration is down. Most immigrants are now coming from the “Northern triangle” countries. That is a fact and you can look it up in the Pew Research I cited the other day.

But here’s some additional data.

Chart generated from US Border Patrol statistics - these are apprehensions only, not total crossings. Also stops at 2016 - Mexican immigration has continued to decrease, northern triangle to increase. (that should be in the Pew study references - look it up yourself):

These people are what are referred to as “forced migrants” - they’re escaping conflict, generalized violence and targeted persecution. It’s not safer for them to stay home.

El Salvador - murder rate of 60 per 100,000 people
Honduras - murder rate of 43 per 100,000 people

Their own governments aren’t protecting people because of widespread corruption and government ties to gangs.

Many of these people are surrendering at the border to initiate asylum claims.

Now show me some data to back up your claims that they’re just freeloaders. looking for jobs...

The wall is an unjustified money pit that is projected to cost billions more than this initial 5 billion. It’s an unsound business decision because the ROI sucks. It doesn’t address overstayers (the majority of illegals) and the reduced number of crossings suggests reduced need. The saner members of congress aren’t going to be blackmailed into agreeing to this ego-trip fiasco.

And using the tragic deaths of those kids to try to paint Democrats as the “bad guys” is divisive and disgusting. Did he even offer one word of sympathy to the grieving parents?

 

[mr-x]

Having a shitty Gov doesn't make you a refugee. Democrats try to extend the definition to living in poverty, poor access to health care, etc.

Despite your charts and graphs diligently compiled by other liberals, simple facts tell a different story;

1) Over 90% of asylum claims are denied ( even by your Lord and Savior Barack Obama )

The "refugee" myth is from the same biased reasoning that most illegal immigrants are visa overstays. The few facts we know for sure; how many people are issued visas and the majority of illegal aliens are single men ( until democrats incentivized hauling children to the border ).

Valid research to back up that statement?

Mexican immigration is down. Most immigrants are now coming from the “Northern triangle” countries. That is a fact and you can look it up in the Pew Research I cited the other day.

But here’s some additional data.

Chart generated from US Border Patrol statistics - these are apprehensions only, not total crossings. Also stops at 2016 - Mexican immigration has continued to decrease, northern triangle to increase. (that should be in the Pew study references - look it up yourself):
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These people are what are referred to as “forced migrants” - they’re escaping conflict, generalized violence and targeted persecution. It’s not safer for them to stay home.

El Salvador - murder rate of 60 per 100,000 people
Honduras - murder rate of 43 per 100,000 people

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Their own governments aren’t protecting people because of widespread corruption and government ties to gangs.

Many of these people are surrendering at the border to initiate asylum claims.

Now show me some data to back up your claims that they’re just freeloaders. looking for jobs...

Yesterday you claimed most illegal immigrants were visa overstays. Now you're conflating "freeloaders" and people looking for jobs.

Stop listening to bullshit propaganda and pay attention to what is really happening and why.

The wall is an unjustified money pit that is projected to cost billions more than this initial 5 billion.

You keep saying this and ignoring the FACTS that walls work in Sand Diego, California and New Mexico.

It’s an unsound business decision because the ROI sucks. It doesn’t address overstayers (the majority of illegals) and the reduced number of crossings suggests reduced need. The saner members of congress aren’t going to be blackmailed into agreeing to this ego-trip fiasco.

That's right.. it's all about how horrible and racist and egomaniacal Donald Trump is. Thankfully, democrats and you are pure souls who only want the best for people in other countries who want to vote democrat.

And using the tragic deaths of those kids to try to paint Democrats as the “bad guys” is divisive and disgusting. Did he even offer one word of sympathy to the grieving parents?

That is exactly what the media and YOU are doing by blaming everything on Trump.

 

[mr-x]

Still waiting to hear from a democrat that has sponsored an immigrant / refugee family. Besides Christian organizations obviously...

 

[offthehandle]

Liberal Judges will block that in a blink of an eye! They have Human rights, That's racist, Nazis! they will cry!

Lot more details to be ironed out. Lol.

The way the ankle bracelet is designed, the alarm on the bracelet only lasts a week it is to encourage voluntary compliance. However, on week 2, it produces randomized electric shocks that increase hourly in intensity until reaching that of a cattle prod, as well as the sim chip embedded sends out a 10 second interative GPS location message to the local branch of lCE department of repatriation.

Since at issuance, the person whose Visa term was violated had to produce a $2000 cash bond (collected at point of issuance), it would be then relinquished at this time due to the overstay. Such funds would be used for the airfare to return apprehended violator. The ICE officer responsible for the apprehension is rewarded with a day off at taxpayers expense. The apprehended violator would suffer a 10 year ban from applying for another Visa.

Wishful thinking that such logic and pragmatic thinking would apply to problem solving. If walls don’t work, and Sanctuary Cities are somehow legal and illegals are protected from ICE and some liberal distortion of the constitution, well the Republic is in danger.

Oh, I forgot that’s where we are today.

January 3rd starts the Trump impeachment commitees by Democrats. Facebook and Google will ramp up and increase their liberal media steering propaganda. They will use Cohen before he is incarcerated to make up more B.S. stories to embellish and sway the masses of non critical thinkers. Don Lemon their disinformation and Media hero will continue to nit pick and demonize Trumps tweets, his hand size, his hair, his skin color, his “white priviledge”, Melanias shoes and other random irrelevant nonsense. This diversion is to take the focus off the real issues at hand, like corruption of the entire Swamp and both parties attempting to regain their power as usual.

 

[offthehandle]

A little extreme (especially since they aren’t all from “sh*thole countries), but would address the problem better than the stupid a** wall and cost far less.

Sanctuary cities/ states should be defunded from Federal grants and funds. Complete isolation for violating Federal laws. Employers should be sanctioned heavily.

That is the extreme but so is the “position”.

Chucky and the Bride of Chucky should have never boxed themselves into a corner and taken up such an entrenched positions which politically are extreme.

 

[Kate]

The US imposes their banking regulations with every other country, then automatically sets an immediate compliance date then provides little to no back end support to even for the bank to fill out the correct paperwork. In the early days of these new laws, they froze bank accounts all around the world, and people with foreign accounts were treated as guilty until proven innocent.

Oh yes, I am familiar with this problem. I know US expats and not only do they have to file taxes but they also have banking problems. Many banks are now reluctant to open accounts for Americans because of Fatca etc, even long-standing accounts were closed. Americans are treated like second-class citizens as a result. More and more are giving up US citizenship when it becomes more a liability than an asset.
Ironically, it's still easier for a foreigner to open a bank account in the US than it is for Americans to open accounts overseas. The conclusion is clear: the IRS wants to track and tax your assets forever, even when you've left.

 

[offthehandle]

The conclusion is clear: the IRS wants to track and tax your assets forever, even when you've left.

And those renouncing cannot divulge it’s for tax (over taxation) purposes, due to push back, those who do there is a large “exit tax” now implemented recently to pay as well. The numbers of people who have renounced has steadily increased from what I read. Most are “Economic Refugees”... lol from the opposite end of the scale. The reason for the Govt to do this, I get it, it’s to make sure people pay their fair share of taxes and not dodge them. Too many people expatriate and not report, hide and thendo not pay anything, yet expect benefits.

Years ago, I thought SS benefits I was paying should be elective instead of mandatory, I could have saved all tax money that self employment 15.6% (off the top) for my own self funded retirement. Then no more SS to worry about being mismanaged like it has been, But wishful thinking of big gov’t control.

 

[enlytend]

Sanctuary cities/ states should be defunded from Federal grants and funds. Complete isolation for violating Federal laws. Employers should be sanctioned heavily.

Who’s going to do those jobs? Especially agricultural - American citizens won’t pick fruit, definitely not for the same wages.

I’m not in favor of illegal immigration, but there should be a pragmatic solution for those who have been for some time (according to that study, most Mexicans have now been here 5, 10:years or more.)

If someone is a criminal or a slacker, then unequivocally they need to go. No second chance.

If someone has been here long enough to build a life here (especially if there are kids), works, pays taxes, respectable member of their community, etc., then deporting them does nothing but disrupt family and community and hurt the employer, the businesses, and the employers clients, who will presumably be paying higher rates.

Practically speaking, it would be ideal to have a process for potentially granting a conditional merit-based waiver to them. People who are stable, work, pay taxes and stay out of trouble are keepers. There are enough American citizens who don’t fit that description - too bad we can’t deport them instead!

 

[mr-x]

Who’s going to do those jobs? Especially agricultural - American citizens won’t pick fruit, definitely not for the same wages.

If democrats were not obstructionist worried about Trump getting a "win", they would negotiate a worker visa program for low skilled workers.

- Chamber of Commerce want it. Most R's want it. D's want it but it would require a compromise and Trump might look like a winner.

I’m not in favor of illegal immigration, but there should be a pragmatic solution for those who have been for some time (according to that study, most Mexicans have now been here 5, 10:years or more.)

If someone is a criminal or a slacker, then unequivocally they need to go. No second chance.

If someone has been here long enough to build a life here (especially if there are kids), works, pays taxes, respectable member of their community, etc., then deporting them does nothing but disrupt family and community and hurt the employer, the businesses, and the employers clients, who will presumably be paying higher rates.

Practically speaking, it would be ideal to have a process for potentially granting a conditional merit-based waiver to them. People who are stable, work, pay taxes and stay out of trouble are keepers. There are enough American citizens who don’t fit that description - too bad we can’t deport them instead!

 

[mr-x]

An unfortunate reaction from the media: Trump blames the Democrats for kids dying and there is universalmedia outrage because he is the President doing it. But Democrats have been blaming the GOP for people dying for years.

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/1079409999112228865

Mr Ericson on topic and sharp as ever. Perl clutching liberals / media need to look in the mirror.

"The press has ceded the role of arbiters of fairness and good taste because they've shown just how much of a double standard they have in these fights."

 

[GILSAN]

Sanctuary cities/ states should be defunded from Federal grants and funds. Complete isolation for violating Federal laws. Employers should be sanctioned heavily.

That is the extreme but so is the “position”.

Chucky and the Bride of Chucky should have never boxed themselves into a corner and taken up such an entrenched positions which politically are extreme.

Here's a city that should be defunded, but first they should arrest their mayor first...

'I DID THE RIGHT THING': OAKLAND MAYOR LIBBY SCHAAF DEFENDS TIPPING OFF IMMIGRANTS AHEAD OF ICE RAID
A mayor who warned Northern California residents about an imminent Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raid said she did not regret her action.

In February, Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf was twice tipped off about an impending ICE raid and organized a meeting with immigrant advocates and religious leaders to warn the public about the operation.

She posted a warning on Twitter claiming the immigration agency was “preparing to conduct an operation in the Bay Area, including Oakland.”

https://www.newsweek.com/i-did-righ...haaf-defends-tipping-immigrants-ahead-1273968

 

[GILSAN]

 

[GILSAN]

Interesting headline... I suppose there must be a legal way to kill cops!

 

[johname]

Opps, better move the march to the barrio

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...er-fear-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white.html

 

[offthehandle]

In February, Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf was twice tipped off about an impending ICE raid and organized a meeting with immigrant advocates and religious leaders to warn the public about the operation.

Talk about liberals flinging around this word "Treasonous", that's a good example of such behavior.

Putting ICE agents in imminent harm and danger.

SB54 otherwise known as "California Values Act" or the Sanctuary State Law was opposed by many cities south of Oakland about 450 miles in Orange County. The ACLU has been active is suing those who exempt themselves from it- like this example.

"The ordinance exempts the town from SB-54, in essence giving its police authority to ignore the state law.

Two days after taking that step, the city was sued.

To date, the suit has led Los Alamitos to spend $105,000 on its legal defense. That’s chump change for a bigger city, but not trivial in an 11,600-resident town with an annual budget of approximately $17 million. And it’s a talking point for residents who are frustrated that a law that some stridently oppose is generating any legal bills at all."
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/11/02/los-alamitos-struggles-revels-in-role-as-anti-sanctuary-town/

 

[offthehandle]

What I fail to understand is how anyone Dem or Repub could not be toally against exploiting illegals with dangerous work and low pay, this industry has been watched for years like this example. I imagine the US Taxpayer has to pay to house, clothe and support this unfortunate guy who was permanently injured. It's horrible exploiting people like this and it isn't a partisan issue.

"A Guatemalan immigrant, Osiel was just weeks past his seventeenth birthday, too young by law to work in a factory. A year earlier, after gang members shot his mother and tried to kidnap his sisters, he left his home, in the mountainous village of Tectitán, and sought asylum in the United States. He got the job at Case Farms with a driver’s license that said his name was Francisco Sepulveda, age twenty-eight. The photograph on the I.D. was of his older brother, who looked nothing like him, but nobody asked any questions.

Osiel sanitized the liver-giblet chiller, a tublike contraption that cools chicken innards by cycling them through a near-freezing bath, then looked for a ladder, so that he could turn off the water valve above the machine. As usual, he said, there weren’t enough ladders to go around, so he did as a supervisor had shown him: he climbed up the machine, onto the edge of the tank, and reached for the valve. His foot slipped; the machine automatically kicked on. Its paddles grabbed his left leg, pulling and twisting until it snapped at the knee and rotating it a hundred and eighty degrees, so that his toes rested on his pelvis. The machine “literally ripped off his left leg,” medical reports said, leaving it hanging by a frayed ligament and a five-inch flap of skin. Osiel was rushed to Mercy Medical Center, where surgeons amputated his lower leg."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/exploitation-and-abuse-at-the-chicken-plant

Upton Sinclair wrote a book called "The Jungle" about the Chicago meat packing plants and later unions were organized to protect legal immigrant workers way back in time.

 

[enlytend]

Employees who endanger ANY employees by deliberately ignoring safety procedures should be prosecuted and pay a steep price for it. There’s no excuse for not taking proper safety precautions and saving a few dollars in production isn’t worth someone’s life or limbs.

As for the pay, if illegal immigrants will work for that rate...If someone’s here illegally, there’s no obligation as far as pay rates, nor should there be.

Paying a liveable wage to every worker in the country would be ideal. Nobody should have to work multiple full time jobs and still struggle to keep up. (I don’t know how the average cost of living for illegals compares, since many are living with relatives. They can’t buy insurance through ACA, so they may have no insurance premium costs, for example.)

However the bigger the percentage of increase needed to achieve that, the more prices in that sector will go up.

I’ve heard many on this thread object to union demands for working conditions and wages, and minimum wage increases for US citizens, so...There’s obviously a lot to be worked out before bringing illegals into the conversation.

 

[mr-x]

Opps, better move the march to the barrio

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...er-fear-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white.html

That's a great headline but in reality, there never was going to be a march. Eureka is a rich coastal town. No one cares about BLM or aggrieved communist.

Unhappy NAACP member from Stockton: Hey, let have a Woman's march in Eureka.

Eureka: LOL, no.

Slate: March is cancelled because of white people.

Internet people: Click, click, click, click.

Slate: LOL. $$$

 

[mr-x]

Employees who endanger ANY employees by deliberately ignoring safety procedures should be prosecuted and pay a steep price for it. There’s no excuse for not taking proper safety precautions and saving a few dollars in production isn’t worth someone’s life or limbs.

As for the pay, if illegal immigrants will work for that rate...If someone’s here illegally, there’s no obligation as far as pay rates, nor should there be.

This is what causes wage suppression .

Paying a liveable wage to every worker in the country would be ideal. Nobody should have to work multiple full time jobs and still struggle to keep up.

Who do you know works multiple part time jobs since Obama left office?

(I don’t know how the average cost of living for illegals compares, since many are living with relatives. They can’t buy insurance through ACA, so they may have no insurance premium costs, for example.)

However the bigger the percentage of increase needed to achieve that, the more prices in that sector will go up.

I’ve heard many on this thread object to union demands for working conditions and wages, and minimum wage increases for US citizens, so...There’s obviously a lot to be worked out before bringing illegals into the conversation.

Not every job is worth a "living wage", i.e. stock boy in a neighborhood store, kid cleaning the parking lot, etc.

Burger-flipping robot debuts at restaurant
https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/2018/03/06/flippy-burger-grilling-robot-fast-food-orig.cnn