The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[offthehandle]

"Pentagon says 30,000 ISIS remain"

Invite them in, they are good people in the next caravan! Open Borders is what you want!

it's looking like 2019 is going to be the worst year yet for Trump.

huh? Trump doesn't get effected. He is rich and has no salary. I didn't vote either, but liked it until I can see nothing is going to get done and this status quo seems to be held up by the idiot republicans in office- it's clear that POS Paul Ryan did nothing, all this last minute crap. Another 4 years of the only real non traditional leadership. This hurts Taxpayers only.

The worst for the economy, Consumers, those Amazon shares you own (maybe ~$500 a share), (facebook crashing haha)

 

[.X.]

If there are 30,000 Isis remaining, then that is about as many as there were a couple of years ago, damn

With the amount of gangs we have in the US , I would venture to bet we far exceed 30,000 , so we actually could have a bigger problem in our country as opposed to Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria combined. Fucking incredible

 

[TestCase]

Then this happened today, they're still trying to find a way out of it, not happening. I'm not sure why Giuliani continues to go out there and do interviews and such, it seems he makes things worse for Trump. Just was caught lying about that letter of intent being signed, then sending unsolicited texts trying to wiggle out of a campaign finance law violation:

Giuliani makes new defense of Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal payments

In an unsolicited text to The Hill on Wednesday afternoon, Giuliani argued that those payments would not violate campaign finance laws "even if a purpose was to aid the campaign."

Such payments would be defensible, he argued, so long as "there is a strong personal component to a payment - like protecting your wife, children and family from scandal................

Giuliani's interpretation of the law is vigorously contested by many lawyers and other experts, who insist that any payment intended - even in part - to help a political campaign must be reported as a contribution."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...karen-mcdougal-payments/ar-BBRbPQF?li=BBnb7Kz

Oh, come on JB. Get with the program!

He didn't lie, he's just recounted/stated alternate facts...

Oh, just saw this video he posted on Twitter. He's going the Bush Mission Accomplished route, just stupid:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1075528854402256896

"We have won against ISIS"

Then all they need to do is pull off an attack...

My thoughts exactly when I heard this reported on the news this morning.

 

[JB Lions]

U.S. Senate OKs government funding through Feb. 8 to avert shutdown

The U.S. Senate on Wednesday approved funds for several federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, to keep them operating through Feb. 8 without the $5 billion to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border that President Donald Trump had demanded.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ng-through-feb-8-to-avert-shutdown/ar-BBRcmBS

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Remember, just have $998,000,000+ million to go. This is going to fail miserably. Average donation is about $59. It's been about 2 days. So maybe about 3 years if it keeps the current pace, to reach 1 billion, which is still well short of the 5B Trump wanted. You guys gotta get fired up.

https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwa...medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_dn_postdonate_r

I'm going to keep track:
$1,624,097 of $1.0B goal at 10:22 PM 12/19

see what it is tomorrow, a week from now.

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Already the jokes cometh, the clowning has begun:

Trump: Give me $5 billion for my border wall

Democrats: No

Trump: I'll shutdown the government if you don't

Democrats: Ok

Trump: I'll do it. Watch me, I don't care

Democrats: Go for it

Trump: Ok fine I won't

The #Democrats just kept the #Government open and didn’t have to give up $1 for #TrumpWall ! #NoWall #TrumpWall

 

[mr-x]

Diversity means forcing other people to believe what you do while not having to honor and respect their beliefs

https://twitter.com/AnthonyChicago7/status/1075541932481409024

 

[mr-x]

Democrats Ran Russian Bot ‘False Flag’ Operation In Alabama — And Media Fell For It
https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/19/democrats-russian-bots-false-flag/

Liberal billionaire dark money.

Imagine the media outrage campaign if the Koch brothers did something like this. Speeches in the house and senate... duped victims tearfully telling their story on CFNN. Rachel Madcow explaining intricate conspiracies. JB posting links to articles and tweets insisting the end is near for President Chump.

 

[enlytend]

'Obama-like mistake': Republicans slam Trump over plan to withdraw troops from Syria
GOP lawmakers say vacuum will empower Russia, Iran and insurgent fighters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna949916

FYI ISIS is NOT defeated. This big impulsive move was because the orange snowflake’s fragile ego had a personal need to win something after the pushback on that stupid-ass wall.*

I’m sure ISIS, Assad and Russia will be happy to see us go...

*strong borders = yes
But that wall is a waste of money

 

[mr-x]

...
*strong borders = yes
But that wall is a waste of money

How would you know? A liberal activist on msnbc says so?

Every US Border Patrol supervisor says a wall would be very effective. Border wall in California near San Diego has been a HUGE success.

 

[JB Lions]

JB posting links to articles and tweets insisting the end is near for President Chump.

Actually, I'm just posting current news and I said 2019 is going to be his worst year and he'll get his ass whipped next election. That's what I literally said. I do agree with you calling him Chump.

 

[enlytend]

Border wall in California near San Diego has been a HUGE success.

A couple of miles vs almost 2000 miles. Wall in SD keeps people out where the wall is and its a manageable size to patrol and monitor (cameras etc. monitoring where the wall ends).

Desperate people will go for the lowest hanging fruit - raise the bar they'll still find a way.

Aside from the logistics of building one contiguous wall for that distance across widely-varying terrain and all of the ecological and personal property its going to disrupt, what is it going to cost to have guards to monitor and patrol the entire length? Are we going to do like SD and have cameras monitoring large stretches of the wall? If we're going to have that redundancy, why not set up a high-tech system the full length? Also there's water on either side of that border. A lot of water.
How necessary is it actually? I have yet to hear the names or identities of those supposed "10 terrorists" 45 pulled out of his a** while speaking about it last week. Most of the terrorist threats to this country are citizens well within its borders.
Strong borders are good. Nobody wants "open borders." The wall is a fiasco and a money pit.

 

[mr-x]

It was satire

Actually, I'm just posting current news and I said 2019 is going to be his worst year and he'll get his ass whipped next election. That's what I literally said. I do agree with you calling him Chump.

 

[mr-x]

So your point is, a longer wall won't work because the wall does work in San Diego? No one is talking about a continuous wall. Maybe you should read more.

A couple of miles vs almost 2000 miles. Wall in SD keeps people out where the wall is and its a manageable size to patrol and monitor (cameras etc. monitoring where the wall ends).

Desperate people will go for the lowest hanging fruit - raise the bar they'll still find a way.

Aside from the logistics of building one contiguous wall for that distance across widely-varying terrain and all of the ecological and personal property its going to disrupt, what is it going to cost to have guards to monitor and patrol the entire length? Are we going to do like SD and have cameras monitoring large stretches of the wall? If we're going to have that redundancy, why not set up a high-tech system the full length? Also there's water on either side of that border. A lot of water.
How necessary is it actually? I have yet to hear the names or identities of those supposed "10 terrorists" 45 pulled out of his a** while speaking about it last week. Most of the terrorist threats to this country are citizens well within its borders.
Strong borders are good. Nobody wants "open borders." The wall is a fiasco and a money pit.

 

[mr-x]

Walls have worked in every country that uses them, including EU and IL but somehow can't work in the USA because of technology or some other bullshit.

The reason democrats don't want a wall, you can't turn it off or stop it from working. It's an impediment to smuggling, immigration, sex trafficking.

 

[johname]

Heck you can have a one-line barbwire fence if you give the border patrol massive liberties to enforce it, huge numbers of officers, and the status of people crossing doesn't change once they place one toe on American land.

But since you don't have the above. You need a huge, long. daunting wall, fence, whatever you call it.

 

[JB Lions]

I didn't know it was this bad:

The stock market is on pace for its worst December since the Great Depression
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/17/wor...-the-stock-market-since-great-depression.html

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David Tepper says the 'Fed put is dead' and so cash is 'not so bad' as an investment now

"1. Powell basically told you the Fed put is dead.

2. Everyone is tight. Chinese money growth plummeting. ECB cutting the last of QE. And Fed still in tightening mode.

3. The net biggest issuance of Treasuries and worldwide fixed income is coming next year. Something is going to get crowded out. Bonds stocks etc.

4. Oh and there is this trade war question. I think we should be having a fight with China on different issues. But it is not conducive to confidence. Freezing some worldwide activity.

5. Cash is not so bad."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ad-as-an-investment-now/ar-BBRdbUR?li=BBnbfcL

Why it might feel the end is near.

 

[mr-x]

Arizona.

 

[JB Lions]

Walls have worked in every country that uses them, including EU and IL but somehow can't work in the USA because of technology or some other bullsh*t.

The reason democrats don't want a wall, you can't turn it off or stop it from working. It's an impediment to smuggling, immigration, sex trafficking.

This is what happens with somebody like Trump. Got folded on wall funding, saying we need it, so then covers his ass:

With so much talk about the Wall, people are losing sight of the great job being done on our Southern Border by Border Patrol, ICE and our great Military. Remember the Caravans? Well, they didn’t get through and none are forming or on their way. Border is tight. Fake News silent!
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 4h4 hours ago

Trump just said Border is tight. Already doing a great job on the border. So why waste money on a wall?

So pick one. Border is tight, great job is being done on the border or are terrorists streaming thru.
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Just reading some of the replies on tweet:

Yay! Border is tight. No need for your wall then. Thanks for the clarification.

That’s great - guess we don’t need a wall!!

If the border is tight, our agencies are doing a great job and no more caravans are forming then you agree, there's no need for a wall

Then Trump follows up with:
When I begrudgingly signed the Omnibus Bill, I was promised the Wall and Border Security by leadership. Would be done by end of year (NOW). It didn’t happen! We foolishly fight for Border Security for other countries - but not for our beloved U.S.A. Not good!

 

[mr-x]

 

[JB Lions]

He still hasn't signed it yet. He's fuming. Getting blowback from his followers, they don't want him to fold. We still might have a shutdown. That "border is tight" comment and "doing a great job" comment is going to come back and haunt him. Dems will just use that. Thanks Trump.

They're going to turn on Trump if he folds.

Those supporting Trump, what's the move here? What should he do? Sign it or shutdown?

Sign in - revolt from his followers, people will point out he folded, again, not keeping his promises etc.

Shutdown - it will be called TrumpShutdown, Trump already owned it on National TV with Chuck and Nancy, people will point out "border is tight"

Got himself stuck.

 

[mr-x]